So, how about that PETA, huh?

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PurpleRain

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PETA (said: Peter), isn't that a name to send a shiver down your spine. Doesn't it make you so damn mad? Don't you just want to get a big ol' slab of beef and whack it into one of their thick skulls until they see that they are in fact all idiots?

Why?

Why is PETA such a detested group on these forums? I have never agrued either way, for or against them until yesterday. I decided, with such a hate for the group with little backing claims, I should go out and do some research on them.
The group have many agendas such as: factory farming, fur farming, animal testing, and animals in entertainment, and also campaigns against keeping dogs chained up in the backyard, cock, dog and bullfighting as well as fight against speciesism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciesism). These I can't argue against. These are all things that I would want abolished utterly!

I know people here would hate to see a cruelty against animals and would agree whole-heartedly with their missions, but are more quick to jump on their extremist behaviour.
Also, too many points have been taken too literally. The case of the human milk used instead of cows in ice-cream, it was all satire used to spread more awareness. To quote a member:
Escapian said:
Their intention was not for B&J to actually use human milk, but to bring attention that cow milk should only be used for baby cows, just like human milk should only be used for human babies. B&J felt for the trap, and so did you.
Many of PETA's promosions are generally not to be taken so literally as people do.

I do agree however that PETA are fanatics to their cause and extremists in behavious, but with goals like this, I can't see people here doing any more to better these goals.
Many people had claimed that they wish to make the world vegetarian. They probably do, but that is not their choice as only you have the power to control your own diet and eating behaviours; it is not theirs.

Though, in PETA's mission statement, found here:
http://www.peta.org/about/index.asp
It states that,
'PETA focuses its attention on the four areas in which the largest numbers of animals suffer the most intensely for the longest periods of time: on factory farms, in laboratories, in the clothing trade, and in the entertainment industry.'
I don't see them coming after your meat.

People also have claimed that they hurt themselves with extremist fanatic acts more then the help save animals. I would be inclined to disagree finding out, after a bit of research that they do a massive amount to help their cause:
http://www.peta.org/about/victories.asp


...with a look that could kill!

Going onto two years of being on this site, I have never witnessed such idiocy then that I saw on the 15th of July when a thread of PETA was made. The topic was a user being dumbfounded by a game that PETA had made and had set up a link. The following 16 pages of comments however barely touched on the subject, instead ending up in a massive wank about how PETA is nothing but the devil. Few people were actually able to make sense of what had happened and presented good arguments. The arguments in return were nothing but the same misinformed attacks that wee throughout the thread.

Man 2 said:
Man 1 said:
Man 2 said:
Man 1 said:
That doesn't sound all to bad or evil now does it? So stop repeating things you half-heard somewhere and recheck your sources.
They must have changed it recently. Because as of last year their goals read that they were going to free animals entirely and that that included pets.
Actually as you can see on archive.org that statement page hasn't been changed since at least February 2007.
Hmmm beats me then.
-continues with hate speech-
Kuliani, the Community Manager himself had to come on and try and stop you guys from acting like jerks:
Kuliani said:
This thread has gotten out of control and has become a place for people to stop being civil and yell insults.
I'm not targeting this at one person or any person, nor am I saying it was the entire community, I?m just saying for some people to think before they start typing.

I'm really just ranting now and I don't want to. I just really want people to think before they act and stop following the crowd.

I'm not arguing to say that PETA is amazing and everyone should join, hell, I'm not trying to promote them, I just want people to have some sense before they put in their two cents.

And please, I really want this to be civil. I want actual fact and not anti-propaganda, nor do I want to see one line of text exclaiming how evil PETA is or how People should Eat Tasty Animals.


 

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Its not their advertisments and blatant attention whoring that makes me dislike them (although that is very damned annoying) Its rather the fact that they're hypocrites; the thousands of animals their employees have illegaly euthanised over the years.
 

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Nmil-ek said:
Its not their advertisments and blatant attention whoring that makes me dislike them (although that is very damned annoying) Its rather the fact that they're hypocrites; the thousands of animals their employees have illegaly euthanised over the years.
Do you have ay articles on this I could read? I'm sure the 'illegal' euthanations could be putting the animals down after some past cruelty. I'm not seeing an issue here.
 

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I find it's not their intentions that annoy me it's how they go about with them that puts me off. They just have so much propaganda to try and force people to follow the same opinions as them, that's what really pushes them over the limit for me.
 

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This is true, people often see/hear P.E.T.A and instantly say/type the first nasty insult they can. I like the idea P.E.T.A started out with but I think that the extent they take things is...well...necessary. I say this because people now need to be shocked to change what they do, people will no longer change based on what's right, the only thing that counts now is the bottom line. And that is sad. But I still do not align with P.E.T.A for I do not wish to take things so far. I have found that the best tool is logic and facts. These seem to upset people who are uninformed and after a while they tend to think things out and see the bigger picture. Well, let's watch and see the flame that will surely ensue, for you said "P.E.T.A". Good luck.
 

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Zombie_Fish said:
I find it's not their intentions that annoy me it's how they go about with them that puts me off. They just have so much propaganda to try and force people to follow the same opinions as them, that's what really pushes them over the limit for me.
I'm sure most of their work you don't hear about. They have probably donated so much to funds and helping the wild-life. Only a lot of it is played up. Plus, I've also heard a lot of people complaining about them painting seals. I think that's great and want to help one day!

Kriptonite said:
This is true, people often see/hear P.E.T.A and instantly say/type the first nasty insult they can. I like the idea P.E.T.A started out with but I think that the extent they take things is...well...necessary. I say this because people now need to be shocked to change what they do, people will no longer change based on what's right, the only thing that counts now is the bottom line. And that is sad. But I still do not align with P.E.T.A for I do not wish to take things so far. I have found that the best tool is logic and facts. These seem to upset people who are uninformed and after a while they tend to think things out and see the bigger picture. Well, let's watch and see the flame that will surely ensue, for you said "P.E.T.A". Good luck.
Haha, thanks man. Hopefully this will help shed a little light.
 

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People should Eat Tasty Animals.

I'm sorry but how could I not say that after you put the idea in my head?
 

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SmartIdiot said:
People should Eat Tasty Animals.

I'm sorry but how could I not say that after you put the idea in my head?
Please stop.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.125055#2591767
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.125055?page=5#2592897
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.125055?page=8#2594062
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.125055?page=9#2595069
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.125055?page=14#2601075
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.125055?page=15#2601685

These are from one thread, though I may have missed some.

Glefistus said:
I think I'm gonna give Seal clubbing a try before the eco-terrorists try and stop it.
I hope that's just an unfunny joke.

This sort of stuff is what I'm trying to address in this thread.
 

Zimbum

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Uh, they USED cooking mama. They deserve to be punished horribly. Or at least get sued.
 

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Zimbum said:
Uh, they USED cooking mama. They deserve to be punished horribly. Or at least get sued.
Why? It's parody. They can't get sued over it unless it hurts the compain.

Plus it's a game. People are making out like they raped the por woman. Come on. I'm trying to ask people for some common sense about the issue. I would love people to calm down for a second and to take some time to see the other side of the arguement. I took some time and frankly, I find them so much less hateful and level headed then some people here.

KaZZaP said:
PETA killed my father.
Please don't. You're only helping my points.
 

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She was chopping off turkey heads for god sakes! PETA was trying to set up a thing by the pier near where I lived. The pier is a popular fishing spot. They wanted to rename fish "Seakittens" God.
 

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You might wanna attach a NSFW warning to that last picture, mate. That could get you in a little hot water otherwise.

Anyway, I have no problem with most of PETA, as animal rights is a good cause when taken in moderation.

But to be frank: you're fighting an uphill battle here PurpleRain. I recently had it proved to me that voicing an unpopular standpoint on the forums will lead to nothing but flaming aimed in your general direction.
 

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Zimbum said:
She was chopping off turkey heads for god sakes! PETA was trying to set up a thing by the pier near where I lived. The pier is a popular fishing spot. They wanted to rename fish "Seakittens" God.
Yes, like I was saying, they're extremist in behaviour. They do a lot of things like this. But it doesn't mean people have to ride the hate train.

scotth266 said:
You might wanna attach a NSFW warning to that last picture, mate. That could get you in a little hot water otherwise.

Anyway, I have no problem with most of PETA, as animal rights is a good cause when taken in moderation.

But to be frank: you're fighting an uphill battle here PurpleRain. I recently had it proved to me that voicing an unpopular standpoint on the forums will lead to nothing but flaming aimed in your general direction.
I don't mind. As long as I can at least change some peoples mindset on the issue. We may still have repeats of yesterday, but a lot quieter.

To right about the NSFW. I assume she was fully covered, but I'll change it now.
 

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They get attention all right. They want to boycott the seal hunt of Newfoundland of Labrador, while they ignore the seal hunt in their own country (Alaska, specifically). They also want to boycott Maple Syrup because Canada as a whole is one big facist, speciest, evil motherfucking country that is endangering the seal population by allowing 0.4 million out of 5.6 million seals (the highest it's ever been, I believe, because of global warming, don't ask how) to be killed every year. This will bring the species dangerously close to extinction when it is reduced to 5.2 million. MY GOD. And forget about how many of the useless water rats breed this season, logic is a neo-nazi plot to make it moral for Barack Obama to morally kill flies. Just my "two cents" as you put it.
 

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PurpleRain said:
SmartIdiot said:
People should Eat Tasty Animals.

I'm sorry but how could I not say that after you put the idea in my head?
Please stop.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.125055#2591767
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.125055?page=5#2592897
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.125055?page=8#2594062
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.125055?page=9#2595069
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.125055?page=14#2601075
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.125055?page=15#2601685

These are from one thread, though I may have missed some.
Ah... it's not funny if everyone else has already said it...

Oh well I ought to contribute something at least partially valid to this thread while I'm here.

I don't understand why PETA is demonized by Escapists either. The only conclusion I can come to again is that for a community that prides itself on intellectualism there's very little of it about and I'm certain that a large proportion of the users are teenagers looking for the next big thing to rebel against. Either that or they're just a bunch of shit-stirrers.

Stop me if I'm wrong.
Actually don't.
Just pull the rods out of your asses everyone for fucks sake.

I see nothing wrong with PETA's campaigns and views. Animals should not be tested on, fur should not be worn, battery farming should be fucking abolished. Think about that last one. How would you people like to be stuck in a cage with someone else where you don't even have room to turn 90 degrees? I'm not saying people should become vegetarians either. That's one thing I actually don't have a handle on when it comes to ethics, survival of the fittest works for me.

However I think most of the people on that thread poking fun at PETA are split into two groups. Half of them are just winding people up and probably have no real ill will towards PETA or animals for that matter. Half of them are just complete tools that need to grow the fuck up.
 

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What is it with all the PETA threads?
Edited because I was being a dumbass.
zacaron said:
PETA crossed the line for me when they took the battle into our worlds specificly Azeroth and WWII
http://kotaku.com/5201889/peta-protests-baby-seal-clubbing-in-world-of-warcraft
http://kotaku.com/5180837/peta-fights-call-of-duty-dog-killing-with-nintendogs
They really go crazy with things like that, but it is to raise awareness, and it works.
 

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i hate PETA only do to the few times i have seen them work in the world. The throwing blood on fur coats and scaring wildlife that is currently being hunted is not only extrema, but also makes me not want to join their cause. i am all for not hurting animals, but i eat meat, and it is good. If PETA would focus on 1 cause at a time and not try to fix everything at once (just an observation on what they seem to do) then maybe they would be more successful.
Also i hate them for the Sea kittens thing, that's just stupid.

EDIT: oh, and some positive for PETA. they do help to save many animals that would be treated unfairly, and they do it regularly. That is their good in the world, and they should stick to it.
 

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I think the only problem I think I've had with PETA is the red paint on coat thingy. I believe they want around throwing paint on people with fur which is stupid for a lot of reasons*. however I steer clear of PETA forums mostly because there's so much sarcasm already there that I have little more to offer such a thread.

*This is tertiary "I heard it from some guy" info, it could easily be very very wrong. However this is the internet and i have the a duty to spread such hearsay.

EDIT: It's really awesome how on threads like these everyone agrees with the OP. On anti-PETA threads, everyone is anti PETA and now here everyone's the understanding "Oh those other escapists are such losers".
 

zacaron

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PETA crossed the line for me when they took the battle into our worlds specificly Azeroth and WWII
http://kotaku.com/5201889/peta-protests-baby-seal-clubbing-in-world-of-warcraft
http://kotaku.com/5180837/peta-fights-call-of-duty-dog-killing-with-nintendogs