So, how about that PETA, huh?

[PurpleRain]

What is it with all the PETA threads?
But what they try to do won't succeed. People love the taste of meat, and won't give it up.

It's not about meat! Read the OP!

However I think most of the people on that thread poking fun at PETA are split into two groups. Half of them are just winding people up and probably have no real ill will towards PETA or animals for that matter. Half of them are just complete tools that need to grow the fuck up.

I'd agree on that. Very much so.

They get attention all right. They want to boycott the seal hunt of Newfoundland of Labrador, while they ignore the seal hunt in their own country (Alaska, specifically). They also want to boycott Maple Syrup because Canada as a whole is one big facist, speciest, evil motherfucking country that is endangering the seal population by allowing 0.4 million out of 5.6 million seals (the highest it's ever been, I believe, because of global warming, don't ask how) to be killed every year. This will bring the species dangerously close to extinction when it is reduced to 5.2 million. MY GOD. And forget about how many of the useless water rats breed this season, logic is a neo-nazi plot to make it moral for Barack Obama to morally kill flies. Just my "two cents" as you put it.

So you're upset that they helped seals over here, but no that ones over there? That doesn't make sense to me.

 

[AkJay]

An aweful lot of PETA threads popping up lately, did they something retarded?... ok, more retarded?

 

[Knonsense]

They are very, very obnoxious, and I dislike the way they target stupid young people in the same way that anti-tobacco people grieve . And I think that some level of cleverness in a work is required to be considered "satire."

The group have many agendas such as: factory farming, fur farming, animal testing, and animals in entertainment, and also campaigns against keeping dogs chained up in the backyard, cock, dog and bullfighting as well as fight against speciesism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciesism). These I can't argue against. These are all things that I would want abolished utterly!

I'm not sure how many people would agree that speciesism is something to fight against. It barely seems like a legitimate term, and trying to claim that it is evil is undeniably radical. Unless you are a fruitarian who drinks milk and eats eggs, you really can't be consistently against speciesism.

In fact, a lot of people consider the equation of humans and other animals to be direly evil. The way they encourage people to discard their dignity in protest is pretty abhorrent. I think that this could potentially be the core of people's disgust in PETA.

It's not really unreasonable for people to respond negatively to people who want to "utterly abolish" things that are part of their way of life. Also, could you expand "animals in entertainment?" Do they think that the producers of Lassie should be taken out into the street and shot?

 

[PurpleRain]

I think the only problem I think I've had with PETA is the red paint on coat thingy. I believe they want around throwing paint on people with fur which is stupid for a lot of reasons*. however I steer clear of PETA forums mostly because there's so much sarcasm already there that I have little more to offer such a thread.

*This is tertiary "I heard it from some guy" info, it could easily be very very wrong. However this is the internet and i have the a duty to spread such hearsay.

EDIT: It's really awesome how on threads like these everyone agrees with the OP. On anti-PETA threads, everyone is anti PETA and now here everyone's the understanding "Oh those other escapists are such losers".

I think about 3 people actually defended PETA in the last one.

Anyway, the red coat thing is to stop people wearing real fur. They don't do it to everyone, just people who will make big news like celebrites. Causes more publicity for them which they need. Plus, the celebs in general have a truck load of cash and very few morals.

PETA crossed the line for me when they took the battle into our worlds specificly Azeroth and WWII
http://kotaku.com/5201889/peta-protests-baby-seal-clubbing-in-world-of-warcraft
http://kotaku.com/5180837/peta-fights-call-of-duty-dog-killing-with-nintendogs

I also find it funny how you expect otherwise? Of course they will. It's their adgenda. Like anti-racism groups would jump over any racism in a game. It's foolish to be shocked by it.

 

[quiet_samurai]

There was this girl that came into my work for an interview. We were talking while she was waiting, and she brought up the subjest of how great PETA was. Now, I don't like PETA, I don't like some of their extremeist behavior and ridiculous ideas about how the world should work and I don't like how they push their issues on people with their "greater then thou" attitude. Not to mention they are hipocrytes.

Anyways, she was telling me she was a part of a PETA chapter in Oregon before she moved here and they had an idea to drop "foodstuffs"...?...into forests to feed predators so they will no longer be killing other animanls for food. Her reasoning behind this was that there was no more need for that kind of carnage in the world anymore, and as humans we should put a stop to it.

I told her that first off that idea is retarted. Second of all who the hell is PETA to try and alleviate millions of years of evolution and fuck with the natural process of nature, which they by the way, are so quick to be defending. And even if it did work and the predators ate the "foodstuffs", why the hell would they share it with others?

It just amazes me how fucking arrogant these people can be; not only are they trying to mess with the livelyhood of other people; now they think they can step in and play god by trying to alter nature itself. Fucking ridiculous, that's just one more reason for me to hate them.

And there are new stories about them euthanizing mass quantities of animals, just google it and I'm sure you will find load of them.

 

[Redkop]

Helping dying puppies and starving kittens is all good and well, it's the other shit they do that make me mildly annoyed.

Just watch the the Penn & Teller: Bullshit episode devoted to them, it should be up on Youtube somewhere.

The fact that they compare chickens to the millions of jews who died during the second world war is just disgusting and just plain wrong. They also bomb animal testing labs that provide medicine to millions of people.

 

[Yukichin]

I expect PETA to realize that clubbing baby seals in World of Warcraft IS NOT REAL. IN ANY WAY. Racism is harder to make fake, because of insults; in video games, though, you club pieces of data. And that isn't saying, "Oh! Go club seals in the real world! Yay!".

Also... PETA? SEA KITTENS! XD

 

[Delicious]

They spend so much money on propaganda that they can't afford to keep the pets under their protection alive.

http://www.petakillsanimals.com/

http://blog.peta.org/archives/adoption/

Yeah, fuck them.

 

[PurpleRain]

An aweful lot of PETA threads popping up lately, did they something retarded?... ok, more retarded?

Please read the OP or don't post.

The group have many agendas such as: factory farming, fur farming, animal testing, and animals in entertainment, and also campaigns against keeping dogs chained up in the backyard, cock, dog and bullfighting as well as fight against speciesism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciesism). These I can't argue against. These are all things that I would want abolished utterly!

I'm not sure how many people would agree that speciesism is something to fight against. It barely seems like a legitimate term, and trying to claim that it is evil is undeniably radical. Unless you are a fruitarian who drinks milk and eats eggs, you really can't be consistently against speciesism.

In fact, a lot of people consider the equation of humans and other animals to be direly evil. The way they encourage people to discard their dignity in protest is pretty abhorrent. I think that this could potentially be the core of people's disgust in PETA.

It's not really unreasonable for people to respond negatively to people who want to "utterly abolish" things that are part of their way of life. Also, could you expand "animals in entertainment?" Do they think that the producers of Lassie should be taken out into the street and shot?

Well, I agree with it to a degree. I don't think a fly has more rights then a dog, but I feel the punishment for torturing an animal should be the same as a human seeing as both parties feel the same amount of pain. I'm sick of cases where someone cuts up a cat and then puts it in a microwave and gets a slap on the wrist and a fine.

As for animals in entertainment. Heard of dancing bears? Bull fighting? Pit fighting?

 

[scotth266]

I don't mind. As long as I can at least change some peoples mindset on the issue. We may still have repeats of yesterday, but a lot quieter.

Good luck with that. People will keep making PETA threads until users get tired of it.

It's the same with any other threading trends: one user makes a thread, gets a lot of hits? About 10 other threads will pop up over the course of the day with similar subjects. User makes a thread with a controversial subject? About 5 threads will pop up with the opposite veiwpoint in the OP. Trying to ride the success of previous threads is just something that people love, for some reason.

 

[Ancientgamer]

Well, here's a short essay from a friend with whom the matter is far more personal than me.

The Lies Behind PETA



Do you believe in animal rights? Certainly, being kind to animals is a good thing, but how far is the average person willing to go to protect the animals? Would you compare factory farms to slaves on plantations? Would you compare meat farms to the Nazi death camps during World War II? (?People?, Activistcash) How about comparing farmers to serial killer/cannibal Jeffery Dahmer? (Bennett) No? You wouldn?t? The People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals have done all of these things and more. Despite their facade of showing off their ?benevolent? and ?compassionate? feelings towards animals, PETA has done things that would make anyone cringe. They are an extremist group of the worst kind. While properly caring for animals is very important, PETA suggests that all animals should run wild, and humans should not use animals for food, clothing, or any other reason. (?People?, Wikipedia) While everyone is entitled to their own opinion, the methods PETA employs to meet their ends are despicable. PETA should no longer exist. They should be dismantled because their overly fanatical pursuits are often in bad taste, they have an undertone of violence, and they are hypocrites in their cause.
PETA?s marketing campaign relies highly on shock value. They use absurd and shocking statements, such as exploiting current tragedies. PETA is, in the words of PETA president and co-founder, Ingrid Newkirk, ?complete press sluts.? (qtd. in ?Quotes?) This means that PETA will do anything to get press attention, even things that attack the common sense and common decency of the average citizen. It is no secret that PETA often resorts to using nudity and images of excessive blood and gore to shock people into paying attention to them. In some instances, people would find the things that PETA resorts to not only insulting, but extremely inaccurate. For example, on one PETA-run website, there are claims that milk contains pus, veal, and a disease called mastitis. (Mastitis a painful condition when the cow?s udders become infected and incapable of giving drinkable milk.) They also claim that milk contains hormones that will give males that drink it ?man boobs.? (?Milk?) Speaking as a farmer, I am very familiar with the milk processing procedure. I know for a fact that milk produced when a cow has mastitis is undrinkable. Also, the notion of pus and veal in milk is simply ridiculous, since milk is thoroughly pasteurized and cleaned of impurities before it is sold to the markets. In fact, the point of the entire process of pasteurizing milk is to remove bacteria and other dangerous microbes from the milk. So when the claims have been disproved, the question remains, why would PETA lie like this? The answer is that they prey on the feeble-minded with false information. There are many people who do not fully understand how farms are really run, and PETA serves these people horror stories.
It is not just milk and farms that PETA tries to demonize, either. They have used insensitive ads that compare chicken farmers to Nazis, proclaimed that a shark attack on a little boy was ?revenge? against the evil humans that had it coming, and have called parents that feed their children meat and milk ?child abusers.? They have organized operations to sabotage a hotline that provides free advice about cooking turkeys on Thanksgiving, and in 2003, the president of PETA, Ingrid Newkirk, wrote a letter to Yasser Arafat in response to a donkey being used in a suicide bombing, begging the chairman of the Palestinian Liberation Organization to insure that animals aren?t harmed in attacks. What?s worse, is that when PETA learned that Timothy McVeigh, the Oklahoma City bomber, decided to abstain from eating meat during his last meal, they publicized him as a hero and a great visionary, placing him on par with Albert Schweitzer, Mohandas Gandhi, Leo Tolstoy, and Albert Einstein. (?People?, activistcash) Add this to the fact that PETA actually claims that animal research slows down the road to a cure for most diseases and medical conditions, and we can clearly see how they feel towards animals and their fellow humans.
However, it is arguable that PETA?s worst shock methods are their campaigns of nudity and violence. A controversial tactic that the animal rights organization uses goes by the moniker of ?the Lettuce Ladies.? These women are usually former Playboy playmates, who are dressed in revealing clothing that look like it was fashioned out of lettuce leaves. (?Lettuce Ladies?) These women serve the purpose of being little more than eye candy for any male that comes within sight. Is this sexist? Yes, and no. PETA also has a similar group called the ?Broccoli Boys,? but for a group that hates meat, they certainly don?t mind treating people like it.
In addition to sex, PETA uses violence and lots of blood to push its message. In fact, violence is one of PETA?s main methods of getting attention, even though it is mostly passive-aggressive. However, these protests are becoming more and more violent as time goes on. ?Anti-fur activists have thrown blood and paint on people wearing fur coats, dumped carcasses of skinned animals in the offices of fashion designers, and staged protests outside department stores that sell fur garments.? (Animal Rights: Fur) These violent actions are encouraged among protesters, even though PETA claims to have a peaceful mission. PETA has always tried to be on the most radical edge with their protests, and as time goes on, these activities have to get more and more radical for their protests to be on the edge. Far too often, leaders from PETA say what they truly feel, and what they truly want to do is smash, burn, and steal from animal farms and research laboratories. Don?t believe me? This is what PETA?s vegan campaign coordinator, Bruce Friedrich had to say:

If we really believe that animals have the same right to be free from pain and suffering at our hands, then, of course we?re going to be, as a movement, blowing things up and smashing windows ? I think it?s a great way to bring about animal liberation ? I think it would be great if all of the fast-food outlets, slaughterhouses, these laboratories, and the banks that fund them exploded tomorrow. I think it's perfectly appropriate for people to take bricks and toss them through the windows ... Hallelujah to the people who are willing to do it. (qtd. in ?Quotes?)

If PETA approves, and even encourages violence, what is keeping them from being a terrorist group? They support known terrorist groups such as the Animal Liberation Front and the Earth Liberation Front, and PETA does not try to hide this fact at all. In fact, the PETA website compares the ALF to revolutionaries such as the French Resistance and the Underground Railroad. (Bennett) Despite these claims, the FBI states that ?the ALF is considered a terrorist group, whose purpose is to bring about social and political change through the use of force and violence.? (Jarboe)
In addition to openly supporting the ALF and ELF, PETA provides great amounts of money to pay for the legal defense of convicted terrorists. PETA also donates money to these groups to help support their ?activities.? In fact, they have given money to extremists that have terrorized hunters and medical lab workers. ?It (PETA) gave $7,500 to Fran Stephanie Trutt, who tried to murder the president of a medical laboratory. It gave $5,000 to Josh Harper, who attacked Native Americans on a whale hunt by throwing smoke bombs, shooting flares, and spraying their faces with chemical fire extinguishers.? (?People?, Activistcash) Add the fact that this money was paid out of a tax-exempt fund, and a terrifying concept has been introduced; government-funded terrorism.
PETA could be considered terrorists towards animals, as well. As much as they claim that they love animals, PETA euthanized 90.7% of the animals that they received in 2005! (?petakillsanimals.com?) Is this considered hypocritical? The obvious answer is yes. So why would PETA kill so many of the animals it receives? It?s hard to tell. PETA has given many different excuses as to why most of the animals that are led through its doors never come out again, so it is difficult to decipher which one is truthful, if any of them are. The obvious answer is that PETA kills the animals indiscriminately, euthanizing animals whether they?re healthy or sick. Just last year, in fact, two PETA employees were arrested and charged with 31 counts of cruelty to animals after they were caught dumping dead animals into a dumpster behind a shopping center. After they were arrested, police discovered 13 more dead animals in the PETA-owned van that they were driving. Authorities told the press that the animals that were being dumped were picked up from another animal shelter earlier that day, and a veterinarian from the shelter told the press that most of the animals that were killed were ?very adoptable.? (PETA Employees) The entire situation is very ironic, and proves just how truthful PETA is when dealing with the animals they claim to protect.
To review, almost any claim made by PETA can be disproved. There is an over-abundance of proof that PETA spreads lies about the campaigns that it so fanatically pursues, and they thinly veil the fact that they openly encourage violence against farms and laboratories. Add that to admittedly funding terrorist groups and killing the majority of the animals that they claim to care for, and you have enough reasons to warrant an investigation. If there are any reasons that PETA should be allowed to stay together as an organization, I haven?t found them. Certainly, most of the people that support PETA have their hearts in the right place, but their good intentions are perverted by the extremist lies and firebombs that PETA supports. These people would be better off supporting a local humane shelter. At least their hard work will then be put to actually helping the animals that they come into contact with, instead of attacking KFC or the March of Dimes with slander. Ingrid Newkirk once said ?A rat is a pig is a dog is a boy.? (qtd. in ?Quotes?) However, given the opportunity, the rat, the dog, and yes, even the pig would eat the boy without a second thought. Why should we be any different?



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Bennett, Carla. "General FAQs." PETA. PETA. 22 Mar 2006. <http://www.peta-online.org/about/faq.asp>.

Jarboe, James F. "The Threat of Eco-Terrorism." Federal Bureau of Investigation. 12 Feb. 2002. United States government. 26 Mar 2006. <http://www.fbi.gov/congress/congress02/jarboe021202.htm>.

?Meet the Lettuce Ladies.? Lettuceladies.com. PETA. 22 Mar. 2006. <http://www.lettuceladies.com/action.html>.

?Milk Gone Wild.? Milkgonewild.com. PETA. 21 Mar. 2006 .

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[PurpleRain]

They spend so much money on propaganda that they can't afford to keep the pets under their protection alive.

http://www.petakillsanimals.com/

http://blog.peta.org/archives/adoption/

Yeah, fuck them.

Agreed. So damn much!

And there are new stories about them euthanizing mass quantities of animals, just google it and I'm sure you will find load of them.

Read the above to find out why.

Helping dying puppies and starving kittens is all good and well, it's the other shit they do that make me mildly annoyed.

Just watch the the Penn & Teller: Bullshit episode devoted to them, it should be up on Youtube somewhere.

The fact that they compare chickens to the millions of jews who died during the second world war is just disgusting and just plain wrong. They also bomb animal testing labs that provide medicine to millions of people.

I don't agree with the bombing. That's probably for the extremists. Though, have you see the chickens and farmed animals go through. They're not saying it's the same as geneoside, one would have to be pretty damn thick to think so, but like I was saying, it's not to be taken literally. It's just showing the shit the animals go through to get to your plate.

 

[PurpleRain]

Well, here's a short essay from a friend with whom the matter is far more personal than me.
-snip-

That's a good article. But again, a lot of the points it brought up have already been discussed.
Still, it's really just the opposite end of the scale. I'm sure there'd be planty more PETA articles to disprove or set things straight.

By the way who was the writer? Just a friend?

 

[Timotei]

PETA killed my father.

And raped my mother

 

[Mythos1092]

Well, here's a short essay from a friend with whom the matter is far more personal than me.

Tell your friend that he is made of pure win. Seriously, that was a good read that did a fantastic job stating some of the shit PETA does.

 

[Delicious]

They spend so much money on propaganda that they can't afford to keep the pets under their protection alive.

http://www.petakillsanimals.com/

http://blog.peta.org/archives/adoption/

Yeah, fuck them.

Agreed. So damn much!

About 30 million annually, actually.

Which is more important to you, the life of an animal or a poster designed to incite hatred?

 

[Redkop]

I don't agree with the bombing. That's probably for the extremists. Though, have you see the chickens and farmed animals go through. They're not saying it's the same as geneoside, one would have to be pretty damn thick to think so, but like I was saying, it's not to be taken literally. It's just showing the shit the animals go through to get to your plate.

Yeah, too bad PETA actually funds some of these extremists.

3) PETA has given tens of thousands of dollars to convicted arsonists and other violent criminals. This includes a 2001 donation of $1,500 to the North American Earth Liberation Front (ELF), an FBI-certified domestic terrorist group responsible for dozens of firebombs and death threats. During the 1990s, PETA paid $70,200 to Rodney Coronado, an Animal Liberation Front (ALF) serial arsonist convicted of burning down a Michigan State University research laboratory. In his sentencing memorandum, a federal prosecutor implicated PETA president Ingrid Newkirk in that crime. PETA vegetarian campaign coordinator Bruce Friedrich has also told an animal rights convention that blowing stuff up and smashing windows is a great way to bring about animal liberation, adding, Hallelujah to the people who are willing to do it.

 

[PurpleRain]

...I find it funny that the founder uses Insulin, which originally came from pigs.

Oh noes! Guys! She better stop her insulin! that would be so imoral of her to take!

 

[Knonsense]

As for animals in entertainment. Heard of dancing bears? Bull fighting? Pit fighting?

I have heard of these, but some clarification seemed necessary. Not all entertainment involving animals is brutal and disgusting.

Spoiler: I could see them objecting to this as well.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puppy_Bowl