So Prop. 19 didnt go through (the one about Legalizing Marijuana)

[veryboringfact]

I've had Morphine after surgery, and even a year later, I'm here thinking "christ that is good shit", Its like a Sunset in your head, it fucking scares me.

I can only speak from experience, and I say to anyone reading this, please don't even try it.

I didn't want to add anything for the simple reason there are already enough two cents here to send all the kids in China to college, but this particular statement aggravated me more than any of the others I could find time to read.

You are speaking from your own experience, and in the same sentence, telling people not to experience it for themselves. Even from a purely logical standpoint you are rendering others unable to give the same advice as yourself by denying them the chance to speak from experience themselves. This gives rise to people saying things like "I would never try drug X, my friend Y did and said it was bad". You are breeding ignorance in a thread where it should be thwarted.

Opiates are controlled (and should remain so) because through repeated abuse they cause physical addiction; the withdrawal symptons of which can cause nausea, loss of appetite, severe internal cramping, dementia and in extreme cases - death.
They also can easily cause overdose due to rapid tolerance and low LD.50

On the flip side, Cannabis is controlled because over 70 years ago bigoted lawmakers in the U.S associated it with madness, uncontrollable sexual urges and "devil's jazz music" in order to throw innocent black men in jail.

This person's opinion, or anyone else's on "what drug X feels like" is merely a personal reflection and should have no bearing on someone's inclination to experience it for themselves, nor the legality of the substance.

The absence of physical addiction and gradual tolerence is what makes cannabis (please stop calling it marijuana, we are not 1930s american lawmakers - or mexican) different. If you repeatedly abuse cannabis, it is your own fucking fault, the same way as if you abused alcohol.

Some of us just want to get high without ruining our careers/lives/families.

Guess i did end up giving my 2cents... damn you, escapist... damn you.

 

[DigitalSushi]

I've had Morphine after surgery, and even a year later, I'm here thinking "christ that is good shit", Its like a Sunset in your head, it fucking scares me.

I can only speak from experience, and I say to anyone reading this, please don't even try it.

I didn't want to add anything for the simple reason there are already enough two cents here to send all the kids in China to college, but this particular statement aggravated me more than any of the others I could find time to read.

Go and get hooked on whatever the hell you like then.

All your doing is arguing the semantics on a paragraph, I'd already asked someone to not do that.

 

[ServebotFrank]

You guys know how much this could've helped the economy right? Marijuana would be bought like mad legally and the drug dealers would have to pack up and find a new drug. Hell I personally think that the regulation on Prostitution and Drugs are stupid and we should just make them legal to begin with. Note that I don't mean "Yeah I get to fucking have all the smokes and sex that I want woo!!!" I mean that we waste all this money on regulating it and we're doing a rather shit job at it. If we sell it in stores then people will buy it with the tax we'll hopefully have on it and the government will get money and we really fucking need it too. It's their bodies we shouldn't regulate them and tell them what not to do; they should face the consequences of their actions and learn to make better choices. By the way about the whole no complaining on not voting. Think of it this way, if you vote and you complain then you were the one got the law or person in office and you should learn to think more carefully next time so really you should not have a right to complain. Speaking of which...I think Bush is better then Obama...There I said it. Now go discuss some more

 

[veryboringfact]

I've had Morphine after surgery, and even a year later, I'm here thinking "christ that is good shit", Its like a Sunset in your head, it fucking scares me.

I can only speak from experience, and I say to anyone reading this, please don't even try it.

I didn't want to add anything for the simple reason there are already enough two cents here to send all the kids in China to college, but this particular statement aggravated me more than any of the others I could find time to read.

Go and get hooked on whatever the hell you like then.

All your doing is arguing the semantics on a paragraph, I'd already asked someone to not do that.

In that case perhaps you should stop writing things that make no sense and save your opinions for subjects where you are better informed, as you clearly have no concept of the difference between abuse and addiction, the former being a conscious decision to repeatedly take a drug regardless of known consequences (usually because it makes you feel good) and the latter being a situation where the body's tolerance has reached a point where it no longer functions properly without the drug in question. Looking back at your posts is proof of this. A falsehood claimed through ignorance is not a substitute for an opinion, which is why I have no respect for yours.

THC is less addictive than sugar.

I am not "hooked" on anything, thankyou.

 

[Mr. Doe]

Well despite the fact that I would have voted "yes" (I do not live in california) I can see why people would vote against it. but also acknowledge the people who currently use the drug are criminals, also if most of the people who actually wanted it to pass voted than it most likely would have.

 

[Darth_Dude]

With your logic we would have to ban hammers.

Yep. We should totally do that.

 

[Darth_Dude]

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Use your head fool, we're obviously talking about drugs such as heroin.

Yeah, but when you say drug as a general term, medical drugs are included.
Also what about all those legal drugs we've had for years?
Alcohol, tobacco?
A durr hurr makes those illegal too?

Oh for god's sake people, you all know what i was talking about now stop qouting me.

 

[Taxicab Samurai]

Mabey if every pot smoker was like bob marley the greatest musican to ever live i'd say sure but thats not the fact. Drugs are bad mmkk. But honestly am just glad it didnt go through. I dont want this junk leegale. 10 years from now i dont want it being verywhere and my kids doing it if i have any.

Chances are your kids will at least try it.
Most everyone at least TRIES pot.
Your parents probably have, your kids, their kids.

 

[Eponet]

The internet, which could be used for the education and enlightenment of mankind, is used for porn and scams.

It is used for education and enlightenment.

 

[ZombieGenesis]

If I was there I would have voted No.
Legalising it would have been a step backwards for societies everywhere.

 

[SixWingedAsura]

I personally am all for legalizing it and putting it under the same laws as Alcohol, because, lets be honest, every argument against Alcohol can be argued for Marijuana. In fact, I know a few that can be argued against Alcohol that DON'T translate to marijuana.

First off, have you ever heard of a stoned person going on a murderous rampage or beating their kids? Pfft, hell no! Hell, the only rampage they'll be doing is on your refrigerator. And family? Hell, it'll get some parents to probably play with their children more, maybe even pay a little more attention to them!

And drunk people, especially the next morning, are NOT hungry people. Stoners? Ever heard of the munchies? I guarantee you that a lot of food companies would benefit from this.

Not to mention the pracitical applications of certain strains of cannabis. Paper, clothing, building material. And the cannabis used for this is NOT the same as the kind that smoked, yet it still illegal. Where the hell is the logic in this?

 

[Aesthetical Quietus]

Yeah, if you don't even bother to vote, then you forfeit the right to complain about the outcome.

Don't get me wrong, I understand, I feel like my vote is meaningless. But you know what I did yesterday? Even though I was busy as hell, I made the time to vote. This isn't in the context I normally use this phrase, but I feel it still applies: put up, or shut up.

Listen to George Carlin for a well reasoned argument about why people who DO vote have no right to complain.

Not to mention that I think once weed becomes legal, its only so long before some other drug gets legalized as well. Then it becomes one big downward spiral.

Alcohol and nicotine, along with the illegal status of marijuana, basically makes this argument invalid.

I personally don't care. The only real difference is that the government of California still don't get any tax revenues from weed, so they're going to have to fire several thousand more people.

I don't think I could have worded it any better. +1

 

[Pingieking]

I'm fairly sure that ability to complain has nothing to do with watching a stand-up comedian. If he is who you get your values and beliefs from, go reassess your life.

The point isn't that he's funny or not. The purpose of watching it is that he actually makes a perfectly reasoned argument about having the right to complain. It's ok if you don't find him funny, because that's not the point of watching this specific clip.

Just to jump back into the debate again:

After thinking hard about it for a few hours, I still can't come up with a logical reason to make marijuana illegal without resorting to double standards. That makes me very agitated and tells me that it should be legal. The reasons I've come up with and the counter arguments to marijuana are as follows:

They are addictive - And so are nicotine and alcohol. In fact, marijuana hasn't even been proven to be addictive. I've observed people stop smoking weed permanently and have no withdraw symptoms. But the main point is that society has no problem with allowing addictive substances.

The users might become a danger to others - Which means that we should ban just about everything. Cars, planes, trains, alcohol, nicotine, hammers, knives, guns, crowbars... yeah, that'll work out well.

It's a gateway drug - 1) That's hardly a credible claim, since it doesn't make too much sense can't be backed up with evidence (it's just like claiming that getting a girlfriend is a gateway activity that will lead me to prostitution; it makes a tad bit of sense but I've got nothing to back it with), and 2) We've legalized a shitload of stuff that can be considered gateway activities to lots of crazy shit.

It's harmful to the user - And so is alcohol and nicotine (this is kind of a reoccurring theme). In fact, I'd rather prefer it if all the alcoholics and smokers took up weed instead. We'd have awesome music, lots of fun, and crazy good times in supermarkets. Compared that to what I deal with now; angry drunks, people puking, and people with really bad cigarette smell.

Marijuana can be addictive, and marijuana can kill you if you're unlucky enough to be born with a THC allergy or other ailment. saying it isn't addictive and doesnt kill AT ALL is bullshit.

Never heard of this, but it's still not a plausible reason to ban weed. Since I want to stay away from double standards, this forces me to consider one of two choices;
1) Legalize marijuana, test for THC and/or other ailments and let people know that they should be careful around the substance.
2) Ban peanuts.
Hmm... this actually has a side effect; peanuts actually have the ability to choke people to death (thus increasing the number of killing blows it has to two), which marijuana doesn't. That means I might actually have to seriously consider option 2 now.
I am well aware that marijuana has the ability to kill, but the argument of "it has the ability to kill" is completely invalid for banning anything. I'm pretty certain everything from beer to bikes to kitchen knives can kill when used improperly.

actually people DO die from a "overdose" of marijuana.

I hope you're using overdosing as an argument against weed. Because I can overdose on ANYTHING and die from it. Hell, I can overdose of water and die. There's a reason why people say "everything in moderation".

 

[Beastialman]

EDIT: Removed some stuff to force people to discuss the ACTUAL ISSUE and not troll on me.

No we weren't trolling you, we were pointing out that you shouldn't complain about something not turning out the way you wanted when you didn't even vote.

 

[Pingieking]

*snip*

Then I misunderstood you. I apologize.
Yes, some people do tend to sell it like snake oil. And those people are bad-shit crazy. Though I can't deny that weed had made some great soundtracks over the years, and that the it's the only reason I like supermarkets.
Still, I like opium more, because I gained weight (lots of it) when I smoked weed. Opium is good on fish. Too bad it's illegal, though I guess the reasons for its legal status is mostly valid.

 

[Legion IV]

Mabey if every pot smoker was like bob marley the greatest musican to ever live i'd say sure but thats not the fact. Drugs are bad mmkk. But honestly am just glad it didnt go through. I dont want this junk leegale. 10 years from now i dont want it being verywhere and my kids doing it if i have any.

Chances are your kids will at least try it.
Most everyone at least TRIES pot.
Your parents probably have, your kids, their kids.

I never tried it never even touched it. You know its possible to not give into every single temptation in life. A strong moral code and your set.