So Prop. 19 didnt go through (the one about Legalizing Marijuana)
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This, so long as they get rid of any form of socialized health care. I don't want to pay for these guys. It's not even that I look down on people who do smoke, but they have to realize that yes, even smoking marijuana has its health issues, and I'll be damned if I'm going to pay for it.Dana22 said:
Which I find kind of unfortunate, because that's actually an interesting conversation as opposed to reading the same tired arguments on both sides over and over for the thousandth time.Azaraxzealot said:
In the end, on almost every issue there are enough people needed to vote a majority, the core of the matter becomes getting your side motivated enough to actually go vote or likewise convince the undecided and apathetic to your cause. In many ways it really is "the ACTUAL ISSUE" as you put it, much more so than the two extremes wasting their time trying to change the other's minds by arguing on a forum.
I guess, but the original post wasn't on voting is was marijuana legislation. Truthfully, the same arguments have been said about voting for ages and the debate is as tired and worn out as the other. Besides, when we're not voting (regardless of your opinion on it) the only thing we can do is try to sway people to one opinion or the other. Forum discussion is as good a means as any.Slycne said:
Totalitarian government because of socialized health care? Your funny. How about you get rid of public schools, police and fire departments, road constructions and postal services as well? Socializing parts of the government is not a bad thing, especially not when it's for the well being of the general population. Although I agree that anyone abusing a substance (ANY substance) should be subject to some sort of penalty so that they're not a drain on the rest of the population, saying we enjoy our totalitarian regimes is awfully backwards. But then again, I live in Canada where we have socialized health care and I don't have to go bankrupt if I get sick or get into an accident.Dana22 said:
And to get back on topic, what about people who use the health care system for alcohol abuse? Or get addicted to prescription drugs? Where do you draw the line between voluntary abuse and actual addiction? The focus, from a health care perspective, should be on addiction treatment and awareness. By the time smoking (anything) causes health issues, odds are you're getting up in age and have developed other health issues, where do you draw the line between what should and shouldn't be treated? I know this is a bit of a tangent, but I'm curious as to your opinion. Legalization of pot will not cause any more strain on health care than it currently does. So many people smoke pot (or cigarettes) that I find it highly unlikely that legalization would effect health care that much.
In fact, legalization would generate upwards of 6 billion dollars in tax revenue. What if a portion of that went to health care? Most of the taxes on cigarettes already go towards health care under the logic that if your going to do something bad to yourself, you might as well support the health care industry with your purchases (at least, that's how it works in Canada, where we have some of the highest taxes of smokes in the world).
Actually, I meant the marijuana, but yeah socialized health care is a good example of government controlling your life.JamesBr said:
And yes, I would get rid of public schools, road constructions and postal service. In my opinion national budget should only go for:
-Administration
-Police
-Army
Thats all (generally speaking of course, without getting into details).
I'm sure that making cocaine legal and taxing it would make the government money too. So would prostitution. So would almost anything sold illegally, but it would still be sold, just taxed. Personally, I don't really care, I just think it smells nasty as fuck, but I don't live in California. If I could vote, I would have voted no for issue of smell. I'm not sure exactly about California law but here it is illegal to smoke inside a building and it still smells like pot all the time around here.
So you would rather have a government that spends all of it's money employing armed, militarized organizations controlling your life instead of making sure it's populace is healthy, working and generating income? You're entitled to your opinion, I guess, but what you're proposing is, historically, what a totalitarian regime does. By spending all of it's money of enforcement, bureaucracy and military it would have absolute control over everyone and rule with nothing but fear and brute force. Sure, you'd be secure, but all personal freedoms would be rendered useless as class division would become larger than it already is. With no support, the poor would remain poor; the rich, rich and the middle class too cowed and uneducated to do anything. Welcome to 1984.Dana22 said:
Edit: But is this all off-topic and I'll leave it at that. You're allowed your opinion. As Voltaire put it : I may not agree with what you say, but I'll defend to the death you right to say it.
There's no moral quandry about smoking weed.Legion IV said:
It doesn't darken your soul or make it fresh pickings for satan.
It's just a plant,that has affects on your body.
Same with alcohol, or tobacco.
And people who smoke weed aren't morally corrupt people who have orgies or live in sin.
It's just a plant man.
Pretending it's evil won't stop a lot of people from doing it.
Oh man am tired of that one argument!. Yes those other things are bad they should be ilegale to then! is that you only argument you have?. As for that "Its a plant man" Thats hilarious cause its funny how much it changes from all the things people do to it before they sell it. Mabey if you just took the plant raw and smoked it mabey mabey.Taxicab Samurai said:
What people change it?Legion IV said:
The criminals and dealers who might put something else in it?
Maybe take a puff and there's PCP in it?
Which is another reason to legalize it, so no one runs a risk of accidentally smoking something far more dangerous.
As it stands now, pot isn't really dangerous.
It doesn't impair you as bad as alcohol and not as bad for your lungs as cigarettes.
Those 2 things are deep rooted in our society and will never be illegal (thank god).
By keeping it illegal you're keeping it dangerous.
I think Marijuana should be made legal.
Sure its bad for you but then again so is Tobacco and Alcohol. I think people have the right to use things that are bad for them if they want to.
Sure its bad for you but then again so is Tobacco and Alcohol. I think people have the right to use things that are bad for them if they want to.