So you say women are being sexualized in games, eh?

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DrEmo

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We're all familiar with it. The stereotypical videogame female; thin, busty and disproportionately curvy, working the physics engine to its breaking point with their over sized sextuple D's. Icons such as Lara Croft with her famous 38-22-36 (inch) measurments, Mai Shiranui with her barely-there outfit and constant acrobatics and the Dead or Alive girls who fight wearing floss. We're all too familiar with these displays of bouncing breasts and protuberant posteriors and we often think it's the industry sexualizing women for their horny 12-18 year old male demographic, but, have you ever looked at the other side of the spectrum? You don't think men are sexualized in games? Well, un-cock that eyebrow and stop with the gay jokes and I'll tell you why.


Gears of War. That's not a sentence, really, just a title, but still, Gears of War. What comes to mind when I say Gears of War? Exploding heads? Aliens getting the business end of a chainsaw to the head? Yes. All of the glorious crimson fountains and gore the game offers comes to mind when one hears the title, but along with that one gets the mental image of the Cogs themselves. Marcus Phoenix, most likely. Think about him for a second; what's he like? He's big, muscular, violent and has a voice that would make Dr. Claw sound like a castrated school boy. He's a manly man, he's been 'sexualized'.


Consider why you would consider a female character to be sexualized. Skimpy outfits, constant acrobatics to accentuate her assets and a lot of other nonsense made just to show off her unrealistic perfection. Now, think of any gruff male character. They too don skimpy outfits that show off every inch of their unrealistic physique. They don't appeal to most gamers in a sexual way, since most gamers (thanks to cruel stereotyping and the industry's belief of this.) are young, straight adult males who see these displays of sentient muscle as something normal. We see Kratos running around in nothing but a loin cloth and a smile and we think it's ok, maybe even 'cool'. Get Chun Li in the same outfit, and she's being 'sexualized'.


This brings to light a double-standard in our society. We think of shirtless, muscular men acting like a cross between the worst male stereotypes as something acceptable, yet when we're presented with a scantily clad female we think she's being sexualized. Don't get me wrong, there is a lot of shameless sexualization in this industry and in many others, too, but I just think that sometimes we look at just one side of this spectrum. I'm not calling for every videogame character to wear a turtle-neck, I'm just pointing out the double-standard set in videogames.

One could argue that Male vs Female sexualization in videogames doesn't really hold any water, since women in video games are obviously marketed towards men, but if you think about it, gamers are being pandered to with men as well. Think about it, you don't want to play as a regular looking guy, you want to play as the big, muscular, roid-raging guy. Male gamers are being sold the image of 'male perfection' as well as the image of 'female perfection' just different packages.




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Two Angels

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I agree with what you say but on the same level I really don't see the fuss as people should be smart enough to realise that what is portrayed in all forms of media are not what real life is like and if people can't distinguish that then more fool them. I think the whole sexulization argument should be put to rest and people should enjoy games for the game and not because of cup size or how built the character is.
 

Kpt._Rob

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Well, the primary critique here is not that games have been sexualized, but that the way in which they have been sexualized is really quite immature. We probably focus on the immature sexualization of female characters because while there are plenty of hyper-masculine characters in gaming, they're not usually presented in a sexual manner, and even if they were, there are many more counter-examples on the masculine side of things.

You, for instance, point out Gears of War to make your case, and while there are plenty of other games with hyper-masculine leads, there are lots of games that don't feature hyper-masculine characters. Alan Wake, Condemned, Fallout, Mass Effect, Silent Hill, I could go on forever. Sure, none of the guys in these games look bad, but they don't have the accentuated features you're talking about either. There are absolutely counter-examples to the hyper-sexualized female character too, the thing is that the ratio is skewed, that is to say that the ratio of hyper-sexualized female characters to more realistic female characters is much higher than the ratio of hyper-masculine characters to more realistic male characters. In part, this is simply because games tend to be skewed towards featuring male leads anyways, but the difference in the ratios is still high enough that one could easily make a legitimate claim that women have been sexualized in games much more than men.

Even beyond that, as I said before, in the case of the hyper-masculine character, the company is not selling something to be sexually idolized, instead they are selling a very immature fantasy of what it means to be a man. There is a big difference.
 

lacktheknack

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Double standards and no sanity makes Lack a dull boy.

I protest pretty much all sexualization at this point, hoping someone will listen and make game characters that join the ranks of Jade, Chell, Alex, and Gordon Freeman.

Lara Croft in normal clothing is about the limit of what I'll put up with.
 

War-hamster

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DrEmo said:
Very wise guy



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I agree with everything you say, and I wouldn't have it any other way - I like big boobs, and I like (to imagine myself as) very muscular and sexy men.

EDIT: teh grammer.
 

Jake0fTrades

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I don't think Marcus Fenix was the best comparison you could have made, Kratos was far more effective in bringing about your point.
 

Gigano

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I suppose the feminist retort would be to question whether Marcus Phoenix is being sold as sex appeal to female gamers, or as wishfulfillment of (still) male power fantasies of being the alpha? If the latter, then the game arguably still panders to male viewers while leaving female one's out in the cold.

Not that sexualization of either gender is really a problem though, as long as it doesn't depict either of them as inferior to the other, reduced to being depicted as weak, exploitable, and ready for use. Look at Bayonetta, sexualized to hell and back, but not in any oppressive manner.
 

Jonluw

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I agree. My only qualm with your claim is that I don't necessarily want to play as the guy who smuggles watermelons in his arms.

I would love to play a game where you look like a regular guy.
I think the problem is that for that to work, the gameplay would have to be something a regular guy could handle, and that isn't very fun. The guys have to be burly to realistically handle all the stunts they pull. For some reason, this logic doesn't seem to apply to girls.
 

Dreiko_v1legacy

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They're not any more sexualized than real actual women when in the presence of real actual men.


In fact, if we compiled the thoughts of non-videogame humans about sex on any random day we'd come up with enough sexual content for maybe 20 games rated M.


Things such as "Who would you rather sleep with?" questions or "this guy's head on this girl's body, would you?" and so on are commonly thought and discussed inside "real life".




To pretend the sexualization in videogames is somehow out of place and that humans are not sexualizing machines in general and by default is myopic and extremely oppressing for everyone.
 

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DrEmo said:
I agree with your point entirely that an unrealistic, sexualized image is being portrayed of both genders in games and all media really. I'm dead sick of playing these twitching masses of muscle. It makes me miss the old days when Batman was skinny and the Hulk was just a pretty big dude. But ultimately...

Two Angels said:
I agree with what you say but on the same level I really don't see the fuss as people should be smart enough to realise that what is portrayed in all forms of media are not what real life is like and if people can't distinguish that then more fool them. I think the whole sexulization argument should be put to rest and people should enjoy games for the game and not because of cup size or how built the character is.
... this guy has it right. People like to identify with attractive people but so long as a game is good and some part of it interests you then sexualization shouldn't be an issue. I'd still love to see some more realistic characters in games but it's not as important as the story or gameplay being good. For all of Kratos' muscle the story in God of War is actually pretty good and that's the part that matters.

Side note: I just scored a hat trick for sexual threads today. High five?
 

ilovedawkins

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Pretty much the only female character in all media that is portrayed as a person and not a sex object, love interest, manipulative villain, mother figure etc is Liz Lemon from thirty rock.

Seriously she's the only one with as much character depth as a male protagonist might be given. No other female characters are able to stand alone without a 'label.'
 

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Imperator_DK said:
I suppose the femist retort would be to question whether Marcus Phoenix is being sold as sex appeal to female gamers, or as wishfulfillment of (still) male power fantasies of being the alpha? If the latter, then the game arguably still panders to male viewers while leaving female one's out in the cold.

Not that sexualization of either gender is really a problem though, as long as it doesn't depict either of them as inferior to the other, reduced to being weak and ready for use. Look at Bayonetta, sexualized to hell and back, but not in any oppressive manner.
This!! The men aren't being sexualized at all IMO. Marcus, Chris Redfield, Duke Nukem... these "manly men" aren't being sexualized. They aren't there to make some girls wet. They're manly men, the epitome of the alpha male that most men probably either dream of being or think they are...

I would hazard to say that Nathan Drake might be sexualized a bit but he's one of very few.
 

Dreiko_v1legacy

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ilovedawkins said:
Pretty much the only female character in all media that is portrayed as a person and not a sex object, love interest, manipulative villain, mother figure etc is Liz Lemon from thirty rock.

Seriously she's the only one with as much character depth as a male protagonist might be given. No other female characters are able to stand alone without a 'label.'
Why is that a good thing?


Why are all those things you listed bad compared to "soldier" "working man" "passionate competitor" "inspiring gifted individual" "father" "brother" "uncle" "protector" and so on?

Those, at least some, from both categories, are human things and it's highly unlikely that a person would not have at least SOME of them.


Do you know of any male protagonists with such "depth" who didn't have the male equivalents of these above things?
 

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Kpt._Rob said:
Even beyond that, as I said before, in the case of the hyper-masculine character, the company is not selling something to be sexually idolized, instead they are selling a very immature fantasy of what it means to be a man. There is a big difference.
I'm in agreement with this (and not just because i like Mushishi :p). The characters described in Gears of War, God of War, etc. play off of a power fantasy as opposed to a sexual one. Not to say that power cannot be sexy to a demographic, but that is not the intended purpose of those chiseled features, in my opinion.
 

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I'd have to disagree with wanting to play the muscular character all the time. Actually most of my favorite games don't have that as the main character. There's Gordon Freeman who has already been mentioned on this page. There's Ico from the game of his namesake who is a young boy who is actually in his home seen as a bad omen. Chell from Portal doesn't really get much characterization but we can assume she is clever from the puzzles you solve during the game. My one exception to this is the first God of War game because it is pretty close to Greek Tragedy and brings Kratos to points where he is almost pitiable. When he ended up acting like more of a jerk in the other two games I lost interest in him as a character.
 

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Imperator_DK said:
Not that sexualization of either gender is really a problem though, as long as it doesn't depict either of them as inferior to the other, reduced to being weak and ready for use. Look at Bayonetta, sexualized to hell and back, but not in any oppressive manner.
i agree, its not a problem unless there are girls beng portrayed as sex slaves in video games and im sure that would never happen :).(but if it did id have to don my IIPA and KILL EVERYONE in the company that made said game.)
 

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I say bring on the cheesecake. I WANT fantasy when I play games. Why "treat" myself to plain, ordinary, absolutely not-special looking characters, when the alternative is so much more appealing?
 

DevilWolf47

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Somewhat relevant: I've always noted that the "Safe" characters with no real personality are the protagonists while the smart guys are almost always antagonists. A technologically advanced race of aliens being beaten by a guy in power armor who never stops to think "I can carry 50 times my body weight, why don't i carry more than two weapons?" Maybe a little Japanese anime where a school boy with atrocious grades or a dickless hedgehog defeat a mad scientist?

Obviously people can "But Half-Life" me here. Gordon Freeman is a theoretical physicist who kills alien soldiers with the same level of routine as adding Tabasco to his lo mein? Bit of an exception, and Alyx is relatively flat compared to a lot of other action girls and wears a full outfit.

But still, it's always the same girl who is insanely busty and the same man who is supernaturally athletic at the price of 90 IQ points. I can see where the poster is coming from, and i also am frustrated.
...maybe because my girlfriend has small tits and because i'm a doctor, so therefore we're most likely game villains. It hits home. In a game or animation universe my girlfriend is a background character and i'm getting my ass kicked by a ten year old retard in bright orange or a space marine who wouldn't emote if he was sucked off by an elephant.