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Divine Miss Bee

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i'm a sniper? my mother must be so proud...

but i wouldn't kill the kids, no matter the cost. even if your little scenario makes no sense, i wouldn't want to turn into what i'm gunning down.
 

Chester41585

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I would do it. If I was tapped to take out an HVT like that, it's because I'm good enough to make a shot like that.
 

Klepa

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To people who replied with answers involving a "Third Option", I present you:


Anyways, I'd shoot the kids, if that dictator was seriously a threat to the safety of the world. If it's just punishment for his past deeds, no sad mommies.
 

warprincenataku

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After successfully completing my mission I would then ask if there were any more missions available that offered the chance to off some more children.
 

Red Alastor

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Still, sorry for the kids, I'll take the shot.
Hell!, I don't expect my name or country to be published in the next newspaper as "He who shot that dictator from other country"
 

maninahat

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I wouldn't fire. Might kill a kid. In the long term, killing the dictator may well not solve anything, so it wouldn't be worth killing the kid. How can I even be certain it is the real dictator, and not one of the many doubles that dictators (Like Hussein) were fond of using?
 

Katherine Kerensky

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You know what? I think whoever equipped me for the mission is an asshole and an idiot.
Feth taking the shot, I'd drop the bloody rifle, run in, and knife the fether.
Failing that, take the rifle and club him to death with it.
To hell with rules, when one is under the command of idiots.
 

TheTurtleMan

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I hate children with a passion. I would waste all my ammo shooting the children and if by chance the dictator is shot then thats just an added bonus.
 

Sgt Doom

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dragonslayer32 said:
you are s sniper sent to kill a dictator who has committed mass genocide. However, the target is surrounded by children, which you would have to kill in order to kill the target. What do you do?

EDIT - you are using a special round, which the shock alone will kill anyone it closely passes. (which normal 50cal bullets CAN do) THESE ARE THE ONLY ROUNDS YOU HAVE BEEN GIVEN. Time is running out, this is the only public appearence of said dictator and you have to either fire now or let him live.

ANOTHER EDIT - this actually happened, not the sniping part but Sadam used to have children surround him incase of such a situation. A child can be anyone under 16, i don't know about you guys, but i was about 6ft when i was 15.
The bolded part caused an involuntary reaction in me to facepalm.
As for shooting the genocidal dictator; hell, i'd ask for more of those magical boolets just to make sure.
 

Treblaine

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dragonslayer32 said:
EDIT - you are using a special round, which the shock alone will kill anyone it closely passes. (which normal 50cal bullets CAN do)
Myth: Busted

the mythbusers crew fired a .50 BMG heavy sniper rifle bullet within MILLIMETRES of the most fragile sheet of glass they could find, it did not shatter, it did not even wobble. This glass was so fragile it could be shattered by flicking a coin at it. The only way a .50 BMG round will kill you is if it penetrates through your body.

A better example would be your target is WAY out of range of all your small arms and the only weapon you have that can reach that far is a laser designator. There is a jet fighter overhead that can drop a 1 ton bomb within feet of the where you point the laser but the fighter is low on fuel, you have 1 minute before the fighter must head back to refuel.

You must first ask how is this different from child soldiers. What would you do if a little kid, 10 years old, pointed an AK47 at you? He's been brain-washed and of course is too young to have any responsibility but if you don't either shoot him (or run away) then you will die.

Those are decision our soldiers fighting overseas have to face. They have to bear that burden.

This disgusting tactic is used all too often by the most despicable militias in the world, particularly in the Sub-Sahara region. Not only is it easier to press-gang little kids into fighting units... but who could bring them self to shoot a child? Seasoned soldiers hesitate and die, it destroys the moral of the opposing side to be forced to kill children to win a battle.

How about instead of a Genocidal Dictator surrounded by innocent children, genocidal children are advancing on your position. Their parents murdered, kidnapped and press ganged to fight on pain of death (or worse) to kill you. Is your life - your mission - more important than the lives of children? Even if they are brainwashed killers?

I guarantee, no game has the plumbs to present a scenario like that, it would make Modern Warfare 2's "No Russian" level seem as trivial a controversy as Mortal Kombat... I say no game NOW... but it's a matter of time.
 

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Well, first off, I've never heard of a .50 cal round being able to kill someone in close proximity to the round. People have often been killed due to projectile discharge (read: bone fragments) from the target.

But if I am sniping a target with a .50 cal I have an effective kill range of about 1500 meters, and a carry range of about twice that. I'm going to want to shoot him center mass to ensure that he dies. Because the round is "exploding" I can assume that it is a hollowpoint, which brings my effective kill range down to about 1200 meters, but to be safe I would probably shoot from about 900 meters.

The kids are not really an issue because I doubt that I would hit any of them. Shot trajectory at that range would probably allow for the round to pass through the target and not harm anyone else. Also, if the children are willingly participating in a security detail, they are officially listed as combatants.
 

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RhombusHatesYou said:
copperflyingace said:
And where the hell is my spotter?
You had to kill and eat him on the way to the target area after your transport crashed.
Apparently right after I pulled apart all the reasonably sized ammo and used the gunpowder to fireworks. Worst. Sniper. Ever.
 

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Sgt Doom said:
dragonslayer32 said:
you are s sniper sent to kill a dictator who has committed mass genocide. However, the target is surrounded by children, which you would have to kill in order to kill the target. What do you do?

EDIT - you are using a special round, which the shock alone will kill anyone it closely passes. (which normal 50cal bullets CAN do) THESE ARE THE ONLY ROUNDS YOU HAVE BEEN GIVEN. Time is running out, this is the only public appearence of said dictator and you have to either fire now or let him live.

ANOTHER EDIT - this actually happened, not the sniping part but Sadam used to have children surround him incase of such a situation. A child can be anyone under 16, i don't know about you guys, but i was about 6ft when i was 15.
The bolded part caused an involuntary reaction in me to facepalm.
As for shooting the genocidal dictator; hell, i'd ask for more of those magical boolets just to make sure.
Treblaine said:
dragonslayer32 said:
EDIT - you are using a special round, which the shock alone will kill anyone it closely passes. (which normal 50cal bullets CAN do)
Myth: Busted

the mythbusers crew fired a .50 BMG heavy sniper rifle bullet within MILLIMETRES of the most fragile sheet of glass they could find, it did not shatter, it did not even wobble. This glass was so fragile it could be shattered by flicking a coin at it. The only way a .50 BMG round will kill you is if it penetrates through your body.

A better example would be your target is WAY out of range of all your small arms and the only weapon you have that can reach that far is a laser designator. There is a jet fighter overhead that can drop a 1 ton bomb within feet of the where you point the laser but the fighter is low on fuel, you have 1 minute before the fighter must head back to refuel.

You must first ask how is this different from child soldiers. What would you do if a little kid, 10 years old, pointed an AK47 at you? He's been brain-washed and of course is too young to have any responsibility but if you don't either shoot him (or run away) then you will die.

Those are decision our soldiers fighting overseas have to face. They have to bear that burden.

This disgusting tactic is used all too often by the most despicable militias in the world, particularly in the Sub-Sahara region. Not only is it easier to press-gang little kids into fighting units... but who could bring them self to shoot a child? Seasoned soldiers hesitate and die, it destroys the moral of the opposing side to be forced to kill children to win a battle.

How about instead of a Genocidal Dictator surrounded by innocent children, genocidal children are advancing on your position. Their parents murdered, kidnapped and press ganged to fight on pain of death (or worse) to kill you. Is your life - your mission - more important than the lives of children? Even if they are brainwashed killers?

I guarantee, no game has the plumbs to present a scenario like that, it would make Modern Warfare 2's "No Russian" level seem as trivial a controversy as Mortal Kombat... I say no game NOW... but it's a matter of time.
alandavidson said:
Well, first off, I've never heard of a .50 cal round being able to kill someone in close proximity to the round. People have often been killed due to projectile discharge (read: bone fragments) from the target.

But if I am sniping a target with a .50 cal I have an effective kill range of about 1500 meters, and a carry range of about twice that. I'm going to want to shoot him center mass to ensure that he dies. Because the round is "exploding" I can assume that it is a hollowpoint, which brings my effective kill range down to about 1200 meters, but to be safe I would probably shoot from about 900 meters.

The kids are not really an issue because I doubt that I would hit any of them. Shot trajectory at that range would probably allow for the round to pass through the target and not harm anyone else. Also, if the children are willingly participating in a security detail, they are officially listed as combatants.
Yay! Intelligent people! Though late to the party, I've already had that argument with him. Stubborn bastard, but facts win.
 

Free Thinker

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What must be done has to be done. I'll follow orders, clench my teeth, and pull the trigger. What's a few lives for a good hundred thousand or more?
 

CoverYourHead

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If he's committed genocide I'm sure he's killed more than his fair share of children, and probably will in the future as well. So kill 'em all. Tis a shame.