So, you're a sniper...

[Celtic_Kerr]

you are s sniper sent to kill a dictator who has committed mass genocide. However, the target is surrounded by children, which you would have to kill in order to kill the target. What do you do?

EDIT - you are using a special round, which the shock alone will kill anyone it closely passes. (which norman 50cal bullets can do) THESE ARE THE ONLY ROUNDS YOU HAVE BEEN GIVEN. Time is running out, this is the only public appearence of said dictator and you have to either fire now or let him live.

ANOTHER EDIT - this actually happened, not the sniping part but Sadam used to have children surround him incase of such a situation. A child can be anyone under 16, i don't know about you guys, but i was about 6ft when i was 15.

No, normal .50BMG rounds do NOT kill people by passing by them. You sir, are an idiot.

Any sniper worth his salt isn't going to have no problem nailing the dictator with out hitting the children. Seriously, putting a round through the man's head would provide a couple of feet of buffer zone between the dictator and said children, so even if the bullets DID do as you describe (And no, no they don't.), they would STILL be pretty well protected.

Even if they weren't? If they're sending you on this mission, there's a damned good reason for it. You and your spotter are going to take the shot as it presents itself: Those are your orders.

So yes, I would.

And yes, you're still an idiot.

no sir, you are the idiot. If a 50cal round passes you at high speeds, the force CAN kill you, i learned that from a show on sipers on the descovery channel in which they interviewed a man who's arm got blown off by the force.

That doesn't come from a near miss. That comes from a direct hit. Were .50BMG to act as you're describing, the Browning would cause FAR more friendly fire issues than it currently does. The .50BMG cartridge (or the more powerful at range .408Cheyenne Tactical) simply do NOT produce pressure waves of the magnitude you're describing. Having a high caliber round pass by you while it's still super sonic would give you a crack as the miniaturized sonic boom passed by you, it would not kill you, tear your arm off, or make you sneeze blood.

Piss your pants, sure. But not kill you. There is simply zero evidence to back up the internet mythology you are presenting as fact.

Can you read? I ask this as I stated in my reply that I watched a documentary on snipers which said IT CAN HAPPEN! I have just spent 5 minutes looking on youtube for the evidence but sadly, youtube does not have the footage.

I bullet trvels as it spins upon an axis. A spirla is you will. The bullet is curling the air around it cuts it. VERY little ofthe force is diverted outwards. Considering Koeryn is explaining the friendly fire rate of the browning, he's got a better argument than "I saw it on the discovery channel.

It take six pounds of pressure to rip your ear off. YOUR EAR... And there isn't much skin and cartildge to rip off. Imagine your arm? if you what you're describing is right, then I could fire a .50 calibur round 2 feet about the ground and watch the dust get violently blown away in all driections. THIS DOENS"T HAPPEN. the force would be able to snap branches if fired too close to even kill animals. Find video footage ot abandon your argument

 

[Koeryn]

you are s sniper sent to kill a dictator who has committed mass genocide. However, the target is surrounded by children, which you would have to kill in order to kill the target. What do you do?

EDIT - you are using a special round, which the shock alone will kill anyone it closely passes. (which norman 50cal bullets can do) THESE ARE THE ONLY ROUNDS YOU HAVE BEEN GIVEN. Time is running out, this is the only public appearence of said dictator and you have to either fire now or let him live.

ANOTHER EDIT - this actually happened, not the sniping part but Sadam used to have children surround him incase of such a situation. A child can be anyone under 16, i don't know about you guys, but i was about 6ft when i was 15.

No, normal .50BMG rounds do NOT kill people by passing by them. You sir, are an idiot.

Any sniper worth his salt isn't going to have no problem nailing the dictator with out hitting the children. Seriously, putting a round through the man's head would provide a couple of feet of buffer zone between the dictator and said children, so even if the bullets DID do as you describe (And no, no they don't.), they would STILL be pretty well protected.

Even if they weren't? If they're sending you on this mission, there's a damned good reason for it. You and your spotter are going to take the shot as it presents itself: Those are your orders.

So yes, I would.

And yes, you're still an idiot.

no sir, you are the idiot. If a 50cal round passes you at high speeds, the force CAN kill you, i learned that from a show on sipers on the descovery channel in which they interviewed a man who's arm got blown off by the force.

That doesn't come from a near miss. That comes from a direct hit. Were .50BMG to act as you're describing, the Browning would cause FAR more friendly fire issues than it currently does. The .50BMG cartridge (or the more powerful at range .408Cheyenne Tactical) simply do NOT produce pressure waves of the magnitude you're describing. Having a high caliber round pass by you while it's still super sonic would give you a crack as the miniaturized sonic boom passed by you, it would not kill you, tear your arm off, or make you sneeze blood.

Piss your pants, sure. But not kill you. There is simply zero evidence to back up the internet mythology you are presenting as fact.

Can you read? I ask this as I stated in my reply that I watched a documentary on snipers which said IT CAN HAPPEN! I have just spent 5 minutes looking on youtube for the evidence but sadly, youtube does not have the footage.

That's because there is no evidence, because it simply doesn't happen. I'm a regular shooter, and the phenomena you are describing would be in effect for ANY bullet, not just .50BMG. So my brothers AR-15, my dad's Mosin Nagant, and my Remington would ALL produce pressure waves like what you're describing.


There for, on the 'can you read' vein, and ALSO referencing the Discovery channel:

http://community.discovery.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/9741919888/m/4041982359

However, unlike most 'sniper' shows on the same, this bit is using less a sharpshooter telling stories, and more real world physics. Also note: I'm not simply saying that I saw it on TV once that it can happen. What you're talking about is nothing more than an internet myth. You know, like the Desert Eagle is the most powerful and best handgun in the world (AND was issued to the IDF), or vampires should sparkle, or that my sexuality is questionable (Though that mostly only came up while playing FPS multiplayer games).

Instead, I'm pointing you towards real world evidence to back my claims.

The only way a bullet will hurt you is if it hits you (Or the shrapnel created by it's passing through barriers does).

So, and I say this the final time: You are, in point (and light of) fact, an idiot. Thank you for playing.

Don't feel bad though, it's an interesting myth that just about anyone from the Call of Duty age would be easily duped by, since most don't have any real firearms experience. Besides, if games were being realistic, don't you think they would have added that particular effect?

I bullet trvels as it spins upon an axis. A spirla is you will. The bullet is curling the air around it cuts it. VERY little ofthe force is diverted outwards. Considering Koeryn is explaining the friendly fire rate of the browning, he's got a better argument than "I saw it on the discovery channel.

It take six pounds of pressure to rip your ear off. YOUR EAR... And there isn't much skin and cartildge to rip off. Imagine your arm? if you what you're describing is right, then I could fire a .50 calibur round 2 feet about the ground and watch the dust get violently blown away in all driections. THIS DOENS"T HAPPEN. the force would be able to snap branches if fired too close to even kill animals. Find video footage ot abandon your argument

Actually, you WOULD see dust disturbed... At the end of the muzzle as the gas escaped. =p but you're right, you wouldn't see it from the bullet.

 

[Keava]

Two possibilities:
1) Im apparently shitty sniper working for some second-hand organization, so can either just as well carry it out without any remorse or drop the job to take knitting and cooking courses instead.

2) If i have doubts I contact the brass, its their decision, im just there to carry out order. If they say i have the green light i shoot. My job is not to spend time considering moral dilemmas, i have a target, i have a weapon i have the order.

 

[Blue Musician]

you are s sniper sent to kill a dictator who has committed mass genocide. However, the target is surrounded by children, which you would have to kill in order to kill the target. What do you do?

EDIT - you are using a special round, which the shock alone will kill anyone it closely passes. (which norman 50cal bullets can do) THESE ARE THE ONLY ROUNDS YOU HAVE BEEN GIVEN. Time is running out, this is the only public appearence of said dictator and you have to either fire now or let him live.

ANOTHER EDIT - this actually happened, not the sniping part but Sadam used to have children surround him incase of such a situation. A child can be anyone under 16, i don't know about you guys, but i was about 6ft when i was 15.

Also, a child would be anyone under 12 or 13... You hit those teenage years and you've started hitting puberty... Not a kid anymore. At 16 you can drive, legal have sex, and many other options that kids are not trusted with. So I'm going to assume kids are 10-

In some countries a child is anyone under 18.
OT: I just do not know, I never had a sense of empathy, so I guess I wouldn't care if I shoot. But I never was interested in killing in real life.

 

[Celtic_Kerr]

you are s sniper sent to kill a dictator who has committed mass genocide. However, the target is surrounded by children, which you would have to kill in order to kill the target. What do you do?

EDIT - you are using a special round, which the shock alone will kill anyone it closely passes. (which norman 50cal bullets can do) THESE ARE THE ONLY ROUNDS YOU HAVE BEEN GIVEN. Time is running out, this is the only public appearence of said dictator and you have to either fire now or let him live.

ANOTHER EDIT - this actually happened, not the sniping part but Sadam used to have children surround him incase of such a situation. A child can be anyone under 16, i don't know about you guys, but i was about 6ft when i was 15.

No, normal .50BMG rounds do NOT kill people by passing by them. You sir, are an idiot.

Any sniper worth his salt isn't going to have no problem nailing the dictator with out hitting the children. Seriously, putting a round through the man's head would provide a couple of feet of buffer zone between the dictator and said children, so even if the bullets DID do as you describe (And no, no they don't.), they would STILL be pretty well protected.

Even if they weren't? If they're sending you on this mission, there's a damned good reason for it. You and your spotter are going to take the shot as it presents itself: Those are your orders.

So yes, I would.

And yes, you're still an idiot.

no sir, you are the idiot. If a 50cal round passes you at high speeds, the force CAN kill you, i learned that from a show on sipers on the descovery channel in which they interviewed a man who's arm got blown off by the force.

That doesn't come from a near miss. That comes from a direct hit. Were .50BMG to act as you're describing, the Browning would cause FAR more friendly fire issues than it currently does. The .50BMG cartridge (or the more powerful at range .408Cheyenne Tactical) simply do NOT produce pressure waves of the magnitude you're describing. Having a high caliber round pass by you while it's still super sonic would give you a crack as the miniaturized sonic boom passed by you, it would not kill you, tear your arm off, or make you sneeze blood.

Piss your pants, sure. But not kill you. There is simply zero evidence to back up the internet mythology you are presenting as fact.

Can you read? I ask this as I stated in my reply that I watched a documentary on snipers which said IT CAN HAPPEN! I have just spent 5 minutes looking on youtube for the evidence but sadly, youtube does not have the footage.

That's because there is no evidence, because it simply doesn't happen. I'm a regular shooter, and the phenomena you are describing would be in effect for ANY bullet, not just .50BMG. So my brothers AR-15, my dad's Mosin Nagant, and my Remington would ALL produce pressure waves like what you're describing.


There for, on the 'can you read' vein, and ALSO referencing the Discovery channel:

http://community.discovery.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/9741919888/m/4041982359

However, unlike most 'sniper' shows on the same, this bit is using less a sharpshooter telling stories, and more real world physics. Also note: I'm not simply saying that I saw it on TV once that it can happen. What you're talking about is nothing more than an internet myth. You know, like the Desert Eagle is the most powerful and best handgun in the world, or vampires should sparkle, or that my sexuality is questionable (Though that mostly only came up while playing FPS multiplayer games).

Instead, I'm pointing you towards real world evidence to back my claims.

The only way a bullet will hurt you is if it hits you (Or the shrapnel created by it's passing through barriers does).

So, and I say this the final time: You are, in point (and light of) fact, an idiot. Thank you for playing.

Don't feel bad though, it's an interesting myth that just about anyone from the Call of Duty age would be easily duped by, since most don't have any real firearms experience. Besides, if games were being realistic, don't you think they would have added that particular effect?

I guess I used a much less hand-on approach, but good show XD

 

[Kaymish]

what's the problem with shooting children there are always more they are a renewable resource

and besides why is genocide so bad perhaps it was good for the majority of people that said genocide was committed some times politicians need to do bad things for the good of their citizens like health care in America

 

[Koeryn]

you are s sniper sent to kill a dictator who has committed mass genocide. However, the target is surrounded by children, which you would have to kill in order to kill the target. What do you do?

EDIT - you are using a special round, which the shock alone will kill anyone it closely passes. (which norman 50cal bullets can do) THESE ARE THE ONLY ROUNDS YOU HAVE BEEN GIVEN. Time is running out, this is the only public appearence of said dictator and you have to either fire now or let him live.

ANOTHER EDIT - this actually happened, not the sniping part but Sadam used to have children surround him incase of such a situation. A child can be anyone under 16, i don't know about you guys, but i was about 6ft when i was 15.

No, normal .50BMG rounds do NOT kill people by passing by them. You sir, are an idiot.

Any sniper worth his salt isn't going to have no problem nailing the dictator with out hitting the children. Seriously, putting a round through the man's head would provide a couple of feet of buffer zone between the dictator and said children, so even if the bullets DID do as you describe (And no, no they don't.), they would STILL be pretty well protected.

Even if they weren't? If they're sending you on this mission, there's a damned good reason for it. You and your spotter are going to take the shot as it presents itself: Those are your orders.

So yes, I would.

And yes, you're still an idiot.

no sir, you are the idiot. If a 50cal round passes you at high speeds, the force CAN kill you, i learned that from a show on sipers on the descovery channel in which they interviewed a man who's arm got blown off by the force.

That doesn't come from a near miss. That comes from a direct hit. Were .50BMG to act as you're describing, the Browning would cause FAR more friendly fire issues than it currently does. The .50BMG cartridge (or the more powerful at range .408Cheyenne Tactical) simply do NOT produce pressure waves of the magnitude you're describing. Having a high caliber round pass by you while it's still super sonic would give you a crack as the miniaturized sonic boom passed by you, it would not kill you, tear your arm off, or make you sneeze blood.

Piss your pants, sure. But not kill you. There is simply zero evidence to back up the internet mythology you are presenting as fact.

Can you read? I ask this as I stated in my reply that I watched a documentary on snipers which said IT CAN HAPPEN! I have just spent 5 minutes looking on youtube for the evidence but sadly, youtube does not have the footage.

That's because there is no evidence, because it simply doesn't happen. I'm a regular shooter, and the phenomena you are describing would be in effect for ANY bullet, not just .50BMG. So my brothers AR-15, my dad's Mosin Nagant, and my Remington would ALL produce pressure waves like what you're describing.


There for, on the 'can you read' vein, and ALSO referencing the Discovery channel:

http://community.discovery.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/9741919888/m/4041982359

However, unlike most 'sniper' shows on the same, this bit is using less a sharpshooter telling stories, and more real world physics. Also note: I'm not simply saying that I saw it on TV once that it can happen. What you're talking about is nothing more than an internet myth. You know, like the Desert Eagle is the most powerful and best handgun in the world, or vampires should sparkle, or that my sexuality is questionable (Though that mostly only came up while playing FPS multiplayer games).

Instead, I'm pointing you towards real world evidence to back my claims.

The only way a bullet will hurt you is if it hits you (Or the shrapnel created by it's passing through barriers does).

So, and I say this the final time: You are, in point (and light of) fact, an idiot. Thank you for playing.

Don't feel bad though, it's an interesting myth that just about anyone from the Call of Duty age would be easily duped by, since most don't have any real firearms experience. Besides, if games were being realistic, don't you think they would have added that particular effect?

I guess I used a much less hand-on approach, but good show XD

lol, firearms are a passion for me, I know them. When I don't know something, I research exhaustively. Want a price on a specific handgun or rifle? I can probably track it down, even maybe find the BEST price. Want something exotic? I can probably track that down too.

I'm not an expert, and I don't pretend to be, but I have a LOT of free time, and pretty much all of it's spent with or about firearms.

 

[Caliostro]

you are s sniper sent to kill a dictator who has committed mass genocide. However, the target is surrounded by children, which you would have to kill in order to kill the target. What do you do?

Aim for the head (IF I knew I could get it. Otherwise, with a 50 cal, center mass will do) and pull the trigger.

My objective is to take him down, not "save the children".

 

[Celtic_Kerr]

you are s sniper sent to kill a dictator who has committed mass genocide. However, the target is surrounded by children, which you would have to kill in order to kill the target. What do you do?

EDIT - you are using a special round, which the shock alone will kill anyone it closely passes. (which norman 50cal bullets can do) THESE ARE THE ONLY ROUNDS YOU HAVE BEEN GIVEN. Time is running out, this is the only public appearence of said dictator and you have to either fire now or let him live.

ANOTHER EDIT - this actually happened, not the sniping part but Sadam used to have children surround him incase of such a situation. A child can be anyone under 16, i don't know about you guys, but i was about 6ft when i was 15.

Also, a child would be anyone under 12 or 13... You hit those teenage years and you've started hitting puberty... Not a kid anymore. At 16 you can drive, legal have sex, and many other options that kids are not trusted with. So I'm going to assume kids are 10-

In some countries a child is anyone under 18.
OT: I just do not know, I never had a sense of empathy, so I guess I wouldn't care if I shoot. But I never was interested in killing in real life.

I guess I just don't like the lack of common ground between "ADult" and "Child" there is no "teenager" or "adolescent"... The law considers those not of legal age to be children. Derogatory term considering you're allowed to drive... for me... 1-12 = Child. 13-17 = Adolescent. 18+ = adult

 

[dragonslayer32]

you are s sniper sent to kill a dictator who has committed mass genocide. However, the target is surrounded by children, which you would have to kill in order to kill the target. What do you do?

EDIT - you are using a special round, which the shock alone will kill anyone it closely passes. (which norman 50cal bullets can do) THESE ARE THE ONLY ROUNDS YOU HAVE BEEN GIVEN. Time is running out, this is the only public appearence of said dictator and you have to either fire now or let him live.

ANOTHER EDIT - this actually happened, not the sniping part but Sadam used to have children surround him incase of such a situation. A child can be anyone under 16, i don't know about you guys, but i was about 6ft when i was 15.

No, normal .50BMG rounds do NOT kill people by passing by them. You sir, are an idiot.

Any sniper worth his salt isn't going to have no problem nailing the dictator with out hitting the children. Seriously, putting a round through the man's head would provide a couple of feet of buffer zone between the dictator and said children, so even if the bullets DID do as you describe (And no, no they don't.), they would STILL be pretty well protected.

Even if they weren't? If they're sending you on this mission, there's a damned good reason for it. You and your spotter are going to take the shot as it presents itself: Those are your orders.

So yes, I would.

And yes, you're still an idiot.

no sir, you are the idiot. If a 50cal round passes you at high speeds, the force CAN kill you, i learned that from a show on sipers on the descovery channel in which they interviewed a man who's arm got blown off by the force.

That doesn't come from a near miss. That comes from a direct hit. Were .50BMG to act as you're describing, the Browning would cause FAR more friendly fire issues than it currently does. The .50BMG cartridge (or the more powerful at range .408Cheyenne Tactical) simply do NOT produce pressure waves of the magnitude you're describing. Having a high caliber round pass by you while it's still super sonic would give you a crack as the miniaturized sonic boom passed by you, it would not kill you, tear your arm off, or make you sneeze blood.

Piss your pants, sure. But not kill you. There is simply zero evidence to back up the internet mythology you are presenting as fact.

Can you read? I ask this as I stated in my reply that I watched a documentary on snipers which said IT CAN HAPPEN! I have just spent 5 minutes looking on youtube for the evidence but sadly, youtube does not have the footage.

That's because there is no evidence, because it simply doesn't happen. I'm a regular shooter, and the phenomena you are describing would be in effect for ANY bullet, not just .50BMG. So my brothers AR-15, my dad's Mosin Nagant, and my Remington would ALL produce pressure waves like what you're describing.


There for, on the 'can you read' vein, and ALSO referencing the Discovery channel:

http://community.discovery.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/9741919888/m/4041982359

However, unlike most 'sniper' shows on the same, this bit is using less a sharpshooter telling stories, and more real world physics. Also note: I'm not simply saying that I saw it on TV once that it can happen. What you're talking about is nothing more than an internet myth. You know, like the Desert Eagle is the most powerful and best handgun in the world (AND was issued to the IDF), or vampires should sparkle, or that my sexuality is questionable (Though that mostly only came up while playing FPS multiplayer games).

Instead, I'm pointing you towards real world evidence to back my claims.

The only way a bullet will hurt you is if it hits you (Or the shrapnel created by it's passing through barriers does).

So, and I say this the final time: You are, in point (and light of) fact, an idiot. Thank you for playing.

Don't feel bad though, it's an interesting myth that just about anyone from the Call of Duty age would be easily duped by, since most don't have any real firearms experience. Besides, if games were being realistic, don't you think they would have added that particular effect?

your point may be true for the modern 50cal, the so called 'Boat-Tailed' bullet in which the back of it bends in to decrease drag, which in turn, decreased the ammount of air desturbed.
before these bullets were invented however, a 50cal round COULD have made you deaf or even ripped your ear off. however, i admit, before when i said it ripped his arm off, it did but it hit the wall he was standing against, which means shrapnel and other factors also come into play. as for games, i was playing cod a couple of days ago and shot someone in the leg with a barrett to which he replied by turning around, noob tubing me and then running. RUNNING! after a shot to the leg. I am sorry, but you can not say that those games are realistic. If they were, don,t you thing soldiers would use the stopping power or danger close perks?

 

[Celtic_Kerr]

you are s sniper sent to kill a dictator who has committed mass genocide. However, the target is surrounded by children, which you would have to kill in order to kill the target. What do you do?

EDIT - you are using a special round, which the shock alone will kill anyone it closely passes. (which norman 50cal bullets can do) THESE ARE THE ONLY ROUNDS YOU HAVE BEEN GIVEN. Time is running out, this is the only public appearence of said dictator and you have to either fire now or let him live.

ANOTHER EDIT - this actually happened, not the sniping part but Sadam used to have children surround him incase of such a situation. A child can be anyone under 16, i don't know about you guys, but i was about 6ft when i was 15.

No, normal .50BMG rounds do NOT kill people by passing by them. You sir, are an idiot.

Any sniper worth his salt isn't going to have no problem nailing the dictator with out hitting the children. Seriously, putting a round through the man's head would provide a couple of feet of buffer zone between the dictator and said children, so even if the bullets DID do as you describe (And no, no they don't.), they would STILL be pretty well protected.

Even if they weren't? If they're sending you on this mission, there's a damned good reason for it. You and your spotter are going to take the shot as it presents itself: Those are your orders.

So yes, I would.

And yes, you're still an idiot.

no sir, you are the idiot. If a 50cal round passes you at high speeds, the force CAN kill you, i learned that from a show on sipers on the descovery channel in which they interviewed a man who's arm got blown off by the force.

That doesn't come from a near miss. That comes from a direct hit. Were .50BMG to act as you're describing, the Browning would cause FAR more friendly fire issues than it currently does. The .50BMG cartridge (or the more powerful at range .408Cheyenne Tactical) simply do NOT produce pressure waves of the magnitude you're describing. Having a high caliber round pass by you while it's still super sonic would give you a crack as the miniaturized sonic boom passed by you, it would not kill you, tear your arm off, or make you sneeze blood.

Piss your pants, sure. But not kill you. There is simply zero evidence to back up the internet mythology you are presenting as fact.

Can you read? I ask this as I stated in my reply that I watched a documentary on snipers which said IT CAN HAPPEN! I have just spent 5 minutes looking on youtube for the evidence but sadly, youtube does not have the footage.

That's because there is no evidence, because it simply doesn't happen. I'm a regular shooter, and the phenomena you are describing would be in effect for ANY bullet, not just .50BMG. So my brothers AR-15, my dad's Mosin Nagant, and my Remington would ALL produce pressure waves like what you're describing.


There for, on the 'can you read' vein, and ALSO referencing the Discovery channel:

http://community.discovery.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/9741919888/m/4041982359

However, unlike most 'sniper' shows on the same, this bit is using less a sharpshooter telling stories, and more real world physics. Also note: I'm not simply saying that I saw it on TV once that it can happen. What you're talking about is nothing more than an internet myth. You know, like the Desert Eagle is the most powerful and best handgun in the world, or vampires should sparkle, or that my sexuality is questionable (Though that mostly only came up while playing FPS multiplayer games).

Instead, I'm pointing you towards real world evidence to back my claims.

The only way a bullet will hurt you is if it hits you (Or the shrapnel created by it's passing through barriers does).

So, and I say this the final time: You are, in point (and light of) fact, an idiot. Thank you for playing.

Don't feel bad though, it's an interesting myth that just about anyone from the Call of Duty age would be easily duped by, since most don't have any real firearms experience. Besides, if games were being realistic, don't you think they would have added that particular effect?

I guess I used a much less hand-on approach, but good show XD

lol, firearms are a passion for me, I know them. When I don't know something, I research exhaustively. Want a price on a specific handgun or rifle? I can probably track it down, even maybe find the BEST price. Want something exotic? I can probably track that down too.

I'm not an expert, and I don't pretend to be, but I have a LOT of free time, and pretty much all of it's spent with or about firearms.

Well, like in my argument, it's the pressure required. I know it takes 6 pounds of pressure to rip an ear off. The arm can be upwards of 100 - 200 pounds. A bulet exerting that kind of force to everything around it... Scary thought it that happened.

I'm not sure if my spin theory of the bullet was right though. The curvature should definately diverty the pressure exerted towards the back of the bullet to propel it I believe

 

[mew4ever23]

Imagining that kind of round actually exists..

I wouldn't put myself in that situation. What fool goes sniping with that kind of round? There would be a trail of bodies back to their hideout.

If I did have no other choice, I would have someone in the crowd in case of a situation like that, have him lure the kids away.

If he couldn't get the kids away from him, I would take the shot.

... hang on. If the shock of the round passing is enough to kill someone, a professional assassin would be good enough to aim so that the round passes over his head, the shock killing him, and sparing the children.

 

[Snor]

i hate children...death to the children...just like horses i would kill the horses too

 

[dragonslayer32]

you are s sniper sent to kill a dictator who has committed mass genocide. However, the target is surrounded by children, which you would have to kill in order to kill the target. What do you do?

EDIT - you are using a special round, which the shock alone will kill anyone it closely passes. (which norman 50cal bullets can do) THESE ARE THE ONLY ROUNDS YOU HAVE BEEN GIVEN. Time is running out, this is the only public appearence of said dictator and you have to either fire now or let him live.

ANOTHER EDIT - this actually happened, not the sniping part but Sadam used to have children surround him incase of such a situation. A child can be anyone under 16, i don't know about you guys, but i was about 6ft when i was 15.

No, normal .50BMG rounds do NOT kill people by passing by them. You sir, are an idiot.

Any sniper worth his salt isn't going to have no problem nailing the dictator with out hitting the children. Seriously, putting a round through the man's head would provide a couple of feet of buffer zone between the dictator and said children, so even if the bullets DID do as you describe (And no, no they don't.), they would STILL be pretty well protected.

Even if they weren't? If they're sending you on this mission, there's a damned good reason for it. You and your spotter are going to take the shot as it presents itself: Those are your orders.

So yes, I would.

And yes, you're still an idiot.

no sir, you are the idiot. If a 50cal round passes you at high speeds, the force CAN kill you, i learned that from a show on sipers on the descovery channel in which they interviewed a man who's arm got blown off by the force.

That doesn't come from a near miss. That comes from a direct hit. Were .50BMG to act as you're describing, the Browning would cause FAR more friendly fire issues than it currently does. The .50BMG cartridge (or the more powerful at range .408Cheyenne Tactical) simply do NOT produce pressure waves of the magnitude you're describing. Having a high caliber round pass by you while it's still super sonic would give you a crack as the miniaturized sonic boom passed by you, it would not kill you, tear your arm off, or make you sneeze blood.

Piss your pants, sure. But not kill you. There is simply zero evidence to back up the internet mythology you are presenting as fact.

Can you read? I ask this as I stated in my reply that I watched a documentary on snipers which said IT CAN HAPPEN! I have just spent 5 minutes looking on youtube for the evidence but sadly, youtube does not have the footage.

I bullet trvels as it spins upon an axis. A spirla is you will. The bullet is curling the air around it cuts it. VERY little ofthe force is diverted outwards. Considering Koeryn is explaining the friendly fire rate of the browning, he's got a better argument than "I saw it on the discovery channel.

It take six pounds of pressure to rip your ear off. YOUR EAR... And there isn't much skin and cartildge to rip off. Imagine your arm? if you what you're describing is right, then I could fire a .50 calibur round 2 feet about the ground and watch the dust get violently blown away in all driections. THIS DOENS"T HAPPEN. the force would be able to snap branches if fired too close to even kill animals. Find video footage ot abandon your argument

i can't be arsed to type it all again, so please refer to other comments left by me; something about boat-tailed bullets. oh, btw, you can see the dust desturbed have a nice day.

 

[Celtic_Kerr]

you are s sniper sent to kill a dictator who has committed mass genocide. However, the target is surrounded by children, which you would have to kill in order to kill the target. What do you do?

EDIT - you are using a special round, which the shock alone will kill anyone it closely passes. (which norman 50cal bullets can do) THESE ARE THE ONLY ROUNDS YOU HAVE BEEN GIVEN. Time is running out, this is the only public appearence of said dictator and you have to either fire now or let him live.

ANOTHER EDIT - this actually happened, not the sniping part but Sadam used to have children surround him incase of such a situation. A child can be anyone under 16, i don't know about you guys, but i was about 6ft when i was 15.

No, normal .50BMG rounds do NOT kill people by passing by them. You sir, are an idiot.

Any sniper worth his salt isn't going to have no problem nailing the dictator with out hitting the children. Seriously, putting a round through the man's head would provide a couple of feet of buffer zone between the dictator and said children, so even if the bullets DID do as you describe (And no, no they don't.), they would STILL be pretty well protected.

Even if they weren't? If they're sending you on this mission, there's a damned good reason for it. You and your spotter are going to take the shot as it presents itself: Those are your orders.

So yes, I would.

And yes, you're still an idiot.

no sir, you are the idiot. If a 50cal round passes you at high speeds, the force CAN kill you, i learned that from a show on sipers on the descovery channel in which they interviewed a man who's arm got blown off by the force.

That doesn't come from a near miss. That comes from a direct hit. Were .50BMG to act as you're describing, the Browning would cause FAR more friendly fire issues than it currently does. The .50BMG cartridge (or the more powerful at range .408Cheyenne Tactical) simply do NOT produce pressure waves of the magnitude you're describing. Having a high caliber round pass by you while it's still super sonic would give you a crack as the miniaturized sonic boom passed by you, it would not kill you, tear your arm off, or make you sneeze blood.

Piss your pants, sure. But not kill you. There is simply zero evidence to back up the internet mythology you are presenting as fact.

Can you read? I ask this as I stated in my reply that I watched a documentary on snipers which said IT CAN HAPPEN! I have just spent 5 minutes looking on youtube for the evidence but sadly, youtube does not have the footage.

That's because there is no evidence, because it simply doesn't happen. I'm a regular shooter, and the phenomena you are describing would be in effect for ANY bullet, not just .50BMG. So my brothers AR-15, my dad's Mosin Nagant, and my Remington would ALL produce pressure waves like what you're describing.


There for, on the 'can you read' vein, and ALSO referencing the Discovery channel:

http://community.discovery.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/9741919888/m/4041982359

However, unlike most 'sniper' shows on the same, this bit is using less a sharpshooter telling stories, and more real world physics. Also note: I'm not simply saying that I saw it on TV once that it can happen. What you're talking about is nothing more than an internet myth. You know, like the Desert Eagle is the most powerful and best handgun in the world (AND was issued to the IDF), or vampires should sparkle, or that my sexuality is questionable (Though that mostly only came up while playing FPS multiplayer games).

Instead, I'm pointing you towards real world evidence to back my claims.

The only way a bullet will hurt you is if it hits you (Or the shrapnel created by it's passing through barriers does).

So, and I say this the final time: You are, in point (and light of) fact, an idiot. Thank you for playing.

Don't feel bad though, it's an interesting myth that just about anyone from the Call of Duty age would be easily duped by, since most don't have any real firearms experience. Besides, if games were being realistic, don't you think they would have added that particular effect?

your point may be true for the modern 50cal, the so called 'Boat-Tailed' bullet in which the back of it bends in to decrease drag, which in turn, decreased the ammount of air desturbed.
before these bullets were invented however, a 50cal round COULD have made you deaf or even ripped your ear off. however, i admit, before when i said it ripped his arm off, it did but it hit the wall he was standing against, which means shrapnel and other factors also come into play. as for games, i was playing cod a couple of days ago and shot someone in the leg with a barrett to which he replied by turning around, noob tubing me and then running. RUNNING! after a shot to the leg. I am sorry, but you can not say that those games are realistic. If they were, don,t you thing soldiers would use the stopping power or danger close perks?

If the front of the bullet is still spiralling and distributing the air the same, but the back of the bullet disturbs air less, how is it exerting excessive pressure when the air it would need to push is not being disturbed as much.

AS mentioned, produce a video. there would have to have been significant damage to rip a man's arm off. EVEN with debris from a wall and the bullet. More like the shrapnel pierced, damaged his arm, and he had to get it amputated. I don't think it was ripped off or fell off.

And no, videogames aren't that realistic. What? How lively would a multiplayer match be if you shot a man in the arm once and he couldn't fire anymore, or if you took one shot in the leg and had to hobble?

EDIT: To what degree was the dust disturbed? If what you described was real in terms of pressure, it would look like someone was using a VERY powerful vaccum (MUCH more powerful than any conventional household vacuum) was being used on the dust. Not a tiny stirring.

 

[Radzilla]

Kill em all. Id kill some bystanders while im at it.

 

[Radzilla]

i hate children...death to the children...just like horses i would kill the horses too

What he said.

 

[BonsaiK]

How lively would a multiplayer match be if you shot a man in the arm once and he couldn't fire anymore, or if you took one shot in the leg and had to hobble?

On a completely unrelated note, the early Rainbow 6 games (the first three) had this very feature in them, to great effect. Hobbling around with a wounded leg and the enemy zeroing in on you was tension-plus and worked a treat, making multiplayer a bowel-evacuatingly tense affair. Pity UbiSoft dumbed down the franchise with Lockdown and then the Vegas games, removing this and a ton of other neat stuff and turning a once-great ultra-realistic FPS franchise into a pathetic Gears Of War clone.