societal conventions you hate

[NinjaDeathSlap]

I'm not sure if this is just a British thing or not, but my heart sinks every time I hear these words...

"I'm not racist, but..."

 

[MyFooThurTS]

Spoiler: yawn

Mates, you are not alone.
Let us stand together against the tyranny of the female race!

Awesome.. you can start by not expecting women to have sex with you, ever.

Let me have a little guess here..

1) You actually think women should be demure and 'feminine' and partly resent their independence.
2) On a relatively small number of occasions you did something you thought was 'chivalrous' but was actually quite patronizing, or maybe the spirit in which you did it was intended to be patronizing.
3) You got chewed out for it, and decided from this experience that all women wield massive social power which you don't have.
4) You started being outright rude and resentful towards women as a whole and got chewed out for that too.

Guess what, I'm surrounded by 50+ committed feminists every day. I've never been chewed out for my behaviour, not once. You know why that is, because I somehow manage to treat women like complex, individual human beings rather than some collective hive mind of unreasonable demands.

Here's a clue, you're not a knight in shining armour and I sincerely doubt you ever have treated a woman as an equal to an acceptable degree. That's what the problem is, not whether or not you held a door open.

Marvelous outing of that fellow's prejudices. Yes, your ability to psychoanalyze a person through a monitor based upon a single instance of indignity truly shows that you harbor no unjust stereotypes of your own and that you approach your fellow man (person?) objectively and without bias.

Now, let's have this gay male - who happens to agree with TheIronRuler - explain why you're an absolute moron...

Most women don't so much mind men acting without chivalry (but then again acting with chivalry doesn't go unappreciated); the whole chivalry thing isn't the problem, it's an artifact of a larger problem. Misandry, the opposite of Misogyny, is the problem in question.
Women want men to act less like men but, when it comes to relationships, will happily criticize men when they fail to act 'masculine'. Angry with that statement? It does seem very general, but I didn't mean it in a general context - I'm simply saying this; everyone I've met has also met a woman like this and that is enough for my point...

Let's examine the stereotypical Misandrist; the stereotypical Misandrist hates men for what they might deem 'male behaviour' and wants men to behave in a more civilized fashion; change their trousers more often, eat less pizza, like Romantic Comedies more - I remind you we're explaining the stereotype.
Now let's examine the stereotypical Misogynist. The stereotypical Misogynist is a embittered fellow who grows a beard out of indignity and complains about women attempting to impugn upon his masculinity. Notice something? The stereotypical Misandrist wants men to act in a certain way yet the stereotypical Misogynist just wants women to leave him alone.

Western society won't let men be men, they can be anything else but they'd better not be men. Women, however, can be whatever they damn well please.
Now, here's the thing, men are stronger than women, men go to wars and they get themselves killed and do you know how the modern woman reacts when a man says he wants to join the army? She asks him how he could be so stupid. What's going on here? Masculinity has become stupid. To have a passion for cars, to drink beer, to play COD and, most importantly, to fight - these are now stupid behaviors.
Spending longer than the average man in front of the mirror, to spend liberally on cosmetics, to dress according to the fashion, to wear a scarf, to eat less meat; these have become the symbols of civility. These are not sexually neutral activities; these are feminine.

It has become that a man, should he wish to behave in a masculine way, must, at every turn, defend his doing so or do it ironically.

and now to just attack your semantics for a bit...

I find it rather ironic that you opened your discussion with a statement paraphrasable to 'The good thing about having the right attitude to women is it's easier to have sex with them.'

50+ committed feminists or 50+ women who happen to enjoy discussing feminism with you because you agree with them?

Assumption 1 is absurd; TheIronRuler is clearly complaining about the pressures against him, he is not a 'rape is the victim's fault' douchebag.

He has of course treated women as equals, he's complaining about him not being treated as an equal.



Egalitarianism not Feminism. It's a simple fucking concept.

I'm having trouble putting the whole discussion together at this time of the night so I'll end it there before I make a bigger fool of myself, not that I don't stand behind everything I said; just that it's poorly worded.

Poor wording is the least of your worries mate. I'd be more concerned about the way that you impicitly as well as explicitly appeal to stereotypes and treat them as the golden fucking truth in order to prove that society hates men and sees them as stupid.

[T]o play COD and, most importantly, to fight - these are now stupid behaviors.

Somehow, I don't think you're doing us any favours.

I consider none of those stereotypes to be true. I was merely using their existence as stereotypes to support the argument and yes, fighting might be stupid but I was merely explaining how its masculine nature renders it an intolerable stupidity whereas feminine stupidities (things both stupid and feminine in nature) are often overlooked.

 

[JMeganSnow]

Where's your evidence that you don't already have those things?

Indeed--unmarried women without kids actually make MORE money on average than their male counterparts. The pay "disparity" has nothing to do with sexism and everything to do with the fact that a married woman with kids is not as desirable an employee as a married MAN with kids. Why? Kids get sick, the woman calls of work. She probably has put off at least some of her education and career training due to the kids. She has to take time off when she decides to have another kid. She's a major healthcare expense. She expects the company to pay for her childcare, in many cases. It's quite likely she has far less job experience due to taking time off for kids/family. Etc. etc. etc.

Women make up the majority of voters. We certainly have equal rights. I don't see why those of us who have decided to make motherhood our primary career should expect to make as much money as men in our *secondary* career. The guys I know who are the primary, um, "family caretaker" don't make nearly as much money as their wives do in THEIR secondary career.

 

[LiftYourSkinnyFists]

Well lets see if I can think of some:
- capitalism / greed
- demonized nudity
- religions / patriotism /... essentially all forms of perpetual ignorance
- people worth more dead then alive

Go back to hippy-land hippy!

 

[thylasos]

Women usually getting the cake and eating it.
The whole feministic approach to things, in which women are independant but on the other hand some women also require men to be chivalrous AT THE SAME TIME.

Yes, it's terrible that mixture of respect and politeness which is not exactly required of you, but to be encouraged.

In terms of the actual topic... Hmm.

Oh, beards being generally regarded in an unfavourable light, at least in the West.

We would like that same respect and politeness back. Please. Most often that sort of "respect and politeness" is not encouraged amongst women towards men, so yeah.............

It needn't be. I've had the door held for me plenty of times by women, as well as other men. Do you just happen to live in a tremendously impolite area? I must say, I've seen no basis for the sentiment you and the other bloke seem to be railing against.

 

[MetalDooley]

People getting their children baptised even when they're non-practising christians/atheists

 

[Justforonething]

I don't like it when people say "if you were confident enough in... the you'd let them...".
"If you were confident in your national pride, you'd allow mockery of your country."
"If you were confident in your sexual orientation, you wouldn't want to restrict others."

But especially that first one.

Also, the whole anti-feminist thing this thread has picked up in some cases: I agree.

 

[Radoh]

Apparently eating your meal when it arrives is in poor taste where I live, I wish that to stop NOW. Seriously, if my food arrives why am I supposed to wait three minutes before I start eating? Who decided this anyways?

 

[Wintermoot]

that people kill each other for thinking different
seriously you can,t wave a stick at the news from the world without bumping into people killing each other for thinking different!
or people self-censoring when they curse IT,S WHAT THE FUCK OR WHAT THE HELL NOT WHAT THE HECK!

 

[Oly J]

like for instance, before Michael Jackson died all I heard about him was pedophile jokes, left, right and center, now that he's dead he's no longer a dangerous man-child but a great man and tragic figure, "you shouldn't speak ill of the dead" people saylol

move to england. i bullshit you not we haven't stopped making 9/11 jokes.

its a bird!
its a plane!
its a... oh shit its a plane!!

I actually am english, but I suppose circumstances placed me constantly in a very "sensitive" environment

 

[JanatUrlich]

Watch out; you'll get Godwinned.

I will make it my personal quest to stay away from Nazi's and zombies.

I've stopped counting the times I was faced by near extinction when I opened a door for a woman, or on the other hand refused to do so. There is no consensus in that matter and I don't know which one I should be - your equal or your knight in shining armor?
For the time being I accept my role as a twat.
*cough* wanker *cough*

Are you trying to say that people have been angry at you for holding the door open for them? I'm sorry, I just don't understand what you're trying to say for most of that comment.

Women don't need a knight in shining armor, they need equal pay and equal rights. Whether or not you're a nice person is your own problem.

Where's your evidence that you don't already have those things?

What he's saying seems pretty obvious.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/women-working-in-city-paid-60-less-than-men-1666130.html

Google it my friend and you will find many more relevant statistics. The problem is that people like you are blind to the fact that the world is not equal. I'm not talking just about women.

Women still get nowhere near the amount of respect that men command. A woman is called a slut for wearing a short skirt but it is perfectly acceptable for a man to walk around bare chested. A man makes no effort to look good and he is 'rugged' whereas a woman is a 'dyke' or a mess.

I could go on but frankly I don't think it's worth it. This site has and will always be pretty damn sexist.

 

[someonehairy-ish]

Mates, you are not alone.
Let us stand together against the tyranny of the female race!

Great Big SNIP

Herp derp. I honestly didnt think that statement needed sarcasm markers (tyranny of women? COME ON) but apparently it did.

Did you read 'A Modest Proposal' and honestly think he was sincere about eating babies too?

OT: I think I'll just copy this guy

- capitalism / greed
- demonized nudity
- religions / patriotism /... essentially all forms of perpetual ignorance
- people worth more dead then alive

Although I'm not sure I fully understand the last one. I'd also like to say that I don't think religion or patriotism is inherently bad/ignorant, but the extremes some people take it to are most definately bad.

 

[ten.to.ten]

It's hard to put down one particular thing, but I just hate being forced to deal with all the societal baggage of being gay. To try to keep it short, there is a lot of stuff straight people in relationships just take for granted that I can't have, things like not having to think twice about who you tell about your relationship, not having to be conscious of being affectionate depending on where abouts you are, not having your relationship treated like it's somehow inferior to most other people's even by a lot of well meaning people, not having to refer to someone who'd otherwise be your spouse as your "partner", not being able to visit your partner's home country without having to lie to the border guards about who you're with and why you're visiting while you see others who've been in relationships a fraction of the time you have getting green cards from marriage almost immediately, etc. etc. It's a fucking drag.

Looking at all the replies in this thread and noticing how so many guys here have chips on your shoulders about women I'm convinced that gay people are treated like shit because society is so bitterly jealous that we don't have to put up with the annoyances of the opposite sex.

Bullseye. I fucking hate suits. I don't see why my cargo shorts and t-shirt combo can't suit every occasion apart from funerals and weddings.

I just had to point out that I love the irony of you posting that with your username.

Wtf, guys, suits are awesome. If they're uncomfortable other than because it's too hot you're not doing it right.

 

[Klarinette]

That you have to be drunk/drinking or you're not having a good time...

Yaaay, someone who agrees with me. I don't drink often, and I have a tendency to forget things when I do, so everyone's always like, "You had fun," to which I respond, "I wouldn't know. I'll take your word for it."

 

[Black Phoenix]

I'm with the anti-suit brigade I'm afraid. I also don't like shirts or ties. I think it's the formality of it all I hate the most. Oh, and shoes. Dear God do I hate shoes. Boots all the way, even if it does mean I wear pretty much nothing but walking boots everywhere...

EDIT:

That you have to be drunk/drinking or you're not having a good time...

Also, this. I've only been drunk once, and I really don't see the appeal...

Then again, I do still remember it, so maybe that was the problem...

 

[Justforonething]

I love formal wear myself.
I do hate drinking culture though. No one seems to understand I just don't like alcohol.

 

[bliebblob]

Big parties. I love doing stuff with friends but I just don't get the appeal. You just stand around and you can't talk at all because of the music. You CAN dance but god help you if you don't do it just right because we will stare you right out the door. No we won't tell you how it's done right.
I tried plenty of parties and for reasons stated above I was eyeing the exit within an hour every time. I've been told it's because I'm not buzzed yet but I think that's BS because anything is fun when you're buzzed.

Movies, bowling, even summer festivals are fine with me. Generic party nr. 6489? Yeah no thanks you guys have fun though. Sadly this is a pretty big social handicap in a generation where 90% of conversations are about what happened last party, what will happen next party or whats happening at a party right now.

 

[dementis]

Guys having to ask out girls, seriously why is it that girl just get to give off vague signals while guys have to build up the courage to ask them out, I'd personally find it more attractive if a girl just asked me out.

 

[Ericb]

Guys having to ask out girls, seriously why is it that girl just get to give off vague signals while guys have to build up the courage to ask them out, I'd personally find it more attractive if a girl just asked me out.

I find it idiotic that girls are generally discouraged (event by other girls) to hit on a guy.

I've had a theater colleague hit on me and I loved it. Bunch of dinosaurs.

Guess what, I'm surrounded by 50+ committed feminists every day. I've never been chewed out for my behaviour, not once. You know why that is, because I somehow manage to treat women like complex, individual human beings rather than some collective hive mind of unreasonable demands.

That's a problem many guys have, I never really understood what happen to made them think this way. Probably distance.

I'm not sure if this is just a British thing or not, but my heart sinks every time I hear these words...

"I'm not racist, but..."

Oh, absolutely this. "I'm not aggresssive, but I will punch you now. I apologize in advance."