Something original for WWII games please.

[MiserableOldGit]

How about no more games based on World War Two at all? Sorry to bring this up, but we're talking about one of the most horrific and costly events in human history. Games have nothing legitimate to offer in this area- the events of world war two have already been well documented in far more appropriate mediums - WW2 games are nothing more than ghoulish wank fantasies for a generation fortunate enough to have never directly experienced these kinds of events.
I'd like to introduce anyone who disagrees to my Grandad, who spent much of the war dragging the corpses of his half cooked teenage mates out of tank wrecks.
Ghoulish fuckin bullshit

 

[olee12343]

How about nobody makes another WWII game. Even it involved the greatest generation, the era has been beaten to death with a M1 Gerand. I personally would prefer a COD: Vietnam or even the Revolution!

EDIT: American Revolution

 

[Pyre00]

How about some original titles first. I'm sick of games with titles like The Honorable Company of Valorous Brothers in Arms.

I want to see a WWI game....

 

[Mr.Caine]

One thing I noticed after firing up COD 2 a few days ago is that game developers seem to have very little scope in thinking up new scinarios for WW2 shooters.

Most games seem to follow the American's through France and the pacific, the Russian's through Stalingrad, and the British through North Africa, but there is so much more to World War II than this.

German campaigns. The germans had a huge deal of success and met a huge deal of resistance in the early stages of the war:
- France
- Netherlands
- Poland
- Norway
- Crete
Most of these, especially Crete, would be a fresh alternative to the run of the mill campaigns that seem to be reheated and served to us dressed up like something new.

As well as german campaigns there are many others worth looking at.
- French defence of south france from Italians.
- British troops operating in Burma
- US invasion of West Germany
- SAS in Norway
- Free French rebels

There is a whole tapestry of largely ignored events and campaigns that a games developer could jump on, and develope something truely fresh, original and interresting for the player.

ok for one the playing as the germans would be a godaweful idea because me (american), the Brits, and the Ruskies arent going to line up outside to get a game where we get to kill our countryman and fight for the idea that jews should all be tortured then killed (along with gypies, cripples, retarded people, and many many others)


most likely a studio would fuck the whole SAS and french rebel stealth up and just make it somewhat like splinter cell done except badly (i liked splinter cell all of them)

but everything else might stand a chance but when it boils down to it in a WWII game you dont care where you are or whether you are fighting in France or Italy because you are just going to killing the enemy and for me all they have to do is make interesting locations to fight and thats good enough on the creativity part

this doesnt really have anything to do with this thread but im a sniper in pretty much everygame i play so GAME MAKERS STOP MAKING US HAVE TO BE THE ONE TO ADVANCE

...wow. How ignorant can you be? Read your post carefully.


ok for one the playing as the germans would be a godaweful idea because me (american), the Brits, and the Ruskies arent going to line up outside to get a game where we get to kill our countryman and fight for the idea that jews should all be tortured then killed (along with gypies, cripples, retarded people, and many many others)

You do it ALL the time in multiplayer WWII games. Why can't you bear it in single player? Seriously. Besides, there were other factions Germany was fighting against. Regardless, there is a difference between the Wehrmacht and the SS. Not all the German soldiers were idolizing the Nazi agenda.

Anyway, If the story, game mechanics/play were solid and fluid it most defiantly could work. I stress the word could though. It would be risky (as others have noted) for any company to partake.

well by your statement about the wehr and the SS by that notion if i were told to go and kill a bunch of people then i would be excused because it wasnt me who wanted to i was just told to

and the multiplayer thing is just completely invalid

You're in the army. You follow orders. Right? Not every German agreed with Adolf and the agenda? You understand this, correct? Don't drag a nation down because of one mans ideals. (...)The Multiplayer isn't invalid because if you take the story out of a game, it's "Kill these guys, ok? No questions asked about it". And if you boil down some FPS games, it's basically that.

ok for one the playing as the germans would be a godaweful idea because me (american), the Brits, and the Ruskies arent going to line up outside to get a game where we get to kill our countryman

I am pretty sure Japan, Germany etc have played WW2 games as the allies. Now I'll agree sometimes the enemies are stereotypical and plain ridiculous. However, if it's done correctly and realistically I think it would work in a game.

well now you are just making shit up, you cant just say "forget about the story" because its their its the reason you are killing those guys on the other side of the battlefield and if you blindly follow the orders of "go kill and take jews away from their homes" then you maybe arent evil but your a fucking idoit and either way they still are fighting for the idea of the man

and the people in Japan and Germany dont care anymore because im very doubtful that WWII vets are playing them and that the ideals they were fighting for are now being considered dumb and or evil as in Germany i hear that the government isnt to fond of people talking about nazis their and in Japan they have transformed into a very non-war and productive nation and when we are playing as the allies we are fighting for the same ideal that they were so yet again

your arguement is invalid

What am I making up? Stop talking about the Nazis. I'm not talking about Ideologies, I'm talking about the Wehrmacht. The discussion of this thread was about the possibilities of playing as the Axis. When was the last time you played a WWII game that involved liberating the Jewish people? Most WWII games involve crippling the Axis war machine, not liberating and saving the world. Please be civil as well, I'm not hurling insults at you.

EDIT: Come to think about it, many WWII RTS games allow you to play as the AXIS. They don't receive a lot of controversy.

you are making up ideas that would change a WWII game into something that is LIKE WWII but ISNT you cant make a war game with a story then just decide to forget about that wars REAL reasons

and apparently you cant read because as i said you cant fight for a the idea of "jews need to die" and be excluded and that goes for everything not just WWII

i dont get what you mean by saying that most WWII games make you "When was the last time you played a WWII game that involved liberating the Jewish people? Most WWII games involve crippling the Axis war machine, not liberating and saving the world." because last time i checked when Germany was defeated they had in some terms "saved the world"

Ok, this is my last reply to this since it's obvious you do understand what I am talking about.

REAL reason? I don't understand what you mean. Please stop being insulting, and clarify what you're taking about. Is this topic is too difficult to talk about because it seems you're getting a bit defensive. How was the world saved by Germany being defeated? Where have you gotten that from?

 

[The AI]

Velvet Assassin was the most original look at WWII yet. Too bad it sucked pretty bad.

The OP's ideas were actually pretty solid. It's a whole other side of WWII that has been ignored and forgotten.

 

[FightThePower]

Why not just stop making WWII games altogether?

 

[Sulu]

Considering 60% of allied forces at D-day were British or Commonwealth it would be a nice change to not be an American soldier for a minute. It's all very well being an SAS soldier but we used real infantry as well.

Possible scenarios/units;
Comet tank platoons
Commandos in Norway and at D-day silencing guns on Sword beach
Paratroopers in Arnhem and Pegasus Bridge
British Expeditionary Force (good starting block to a game, first mission is the fighting withdrawal then flicks to a few years later)

I do not like how the CoD games make it look like the only allied soldiers were American so more variety would be lovely - remember that this was a world war so nationalities such as Nepal, India, Australia and Brazil all took part!

 

[Awesometown]

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Me and my "colleagues" are working an idea like this, where you play as the Germans throughout the campaign, but I'm afraid that Tripwire will top anything we come up with in Red Orchestra II's German SP campaign. I'd really need a lot of support for this, because I don't want to spend my time typing out a storyline and script that I'm just gonna throw into the garbage 3 months from now.

I couldn't play that i'm jewish plus why does everyone think it "a good idea" to kill ww2 vets you know the good guys who died for your freedom

 

[Zombie Badger]

I heard that the next Red Orchestra game will have a German campaign.

 

[Sulu]

bloody hell the Falklands.

Now that is a game I would buy! It has the perfect setting for a game, attacking well defended mountains with less men than your enemy and nothing to hide behind. Proper tactics needed. It would also give freedom to use Scimitar light tanks, royal navy ships/nuclear subs in a fleet vs fleet engagement and aircraft battles too.

 

[LeonLethality]

well there was that whole nazi zombie thing, that was pretty original...

 

[dragoon47]

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Me and my "colleagues" are working an idea like this, where you play as the Germans throughout the campaign, but I'm afraid that Tripwire will top anything we come up with in Red Orchestra II's German SP campaign. I'd really need a lot of support for this, because I don't want to spend my time typing out a storyline and script that I'm just gonna throw into the garbage 3 months from now.

I couldn't play that i'm jewish plus why does everyone think it "a good idea" to kill ww2 vets you know the good guys who died for your freedom

Last I checked, the Germans fought in WWII, wouldn't the survivors be vets as well?

Also, don't form an opinion based on the fact that it is from the perspective of a German soldier, in fact, I would suggest reading some German soldiers' biographies, in fact, here's one right here:

http://users.rcn.com/jim44/max1.htm

I would also recommend visiting forums with common debates about topics such as this before forming an opinion just because you're Jewish, which means that you also blindly assumed that I was not based on barely 3 sentences on a video game forum. Speaking of the forum, here's one right here as well:

http://forum.axishistory.com/index.php?sid=12c973e2cf71f69d496a0c79a9ee30c0

Also, for general reference to anyone who wants it, here's a day by day timeline of the entire war as well:

http://www.onwar.com/chrono/

 

[ElephantGuts]

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Me and my "colleagues" are working an idea like this, where you play as the Germans throughout the campaign, but I'm afraid that Tripwire will top anything we come up with in Red Orchestra II's German SP campaign. I'd really need a lot of support for this, because I don't want to spend my time typing out a storyline and script that I'm just gonna throw into the garbage 3 months from now.

I couldn't play that i'm jewish plus why does everyone think it "a good idea" to kill ww2 vets you know the good guys who died for your freedom

Last I checked, the Germans fought in WWII, wouldn't the survivors be vets as well?

Also, don't form an opinion based on the fact that it is from the perspective of a German soldier, in fact, I would suggest reading some German soldiers' biographies, in fact, here's one right here:

http://users.rcn.com/jim44/max1.htm

I would also recommend visiting forums with common debates about topics such as this before forming an opinion just because you're Jewish, which means that you also blindly assumed that I was not based on barely 3 sentences on a video game forum. Speaking of the forum, here's one right here as well:

http://forum.axishistory.com/index.php?sid=12c973e2cf71f69d496a0c79a9ee30c0

Also, for general reference to anyone who wants it, here's a day by day timeline of the entire war as well:

http://www.onwar.com/chrono/

Thank you for saying that, or else I would have done the same (if I had seen the post). I'm Jewish and I have no problem playing as the Germans in World War 2 games (in fact I enjoy the variety). Not all Germans were Nazis, and not all of them hated Jews. Most were just soldiers fighting for their country, which I can certainly respect. It's just a shame that it also meant fighting for Hitler and genocide.

 

[Marv21]

Maybe a sanity meter....I don't know

 

[WolfThomas]

Because I am lazy I'm going to post something I did a year or so ago, on the topic.

Spoiler: Old post

I personally believe WW2 is not a dead/dying genre. However certain points are definitely over used e.g. Normandy. But there are so many battles and events that haven't been touched on.

My game would be a survival fps with pseudo rpg elements (inventory/equipment but no leveling or skills, much in the way of STALKER), about a party of four ordinary German soldiers in the retreat from Moscow. As they are fighting Russians, the Germans can speak (accented) English for the sake of the players.

They would be a squad of the usual stereotypes a cynical (and older) WW1 vetran, a fresh faced boy straight out of hitler youth, maybe a communist sympathizer and yourself, who is a blank slate.

You'd have varying degrees of squad control (including inventory control) to choose from. You wouldn't have to stick with the characters, but they would provide safety in numbers and other advantages (like a watch system while you sleep), but then again they require more food, ammo and draw more attention.

The goal would be to get back to the safety of your own lines by whatever means necessary. You have avoid/fight through Russian soldiers and perhaps in rare encounters German military police that want to hang you for cowardice. Food, water, sleep and protection from winter exposure would all be important things. Food could be found, stolen or scavenged. Food and water also take up weight.

Weapons would be the range available at the time, mainly bolt action rifles, machine pistols and pistols. Guns and ammunition would take up weight, leaving you to decide do whether to take a rifle or mp40 or both and sacrifice the amount of ammo/food and other stuff you can carry. Weapons would be useful in their different ways, rifles more reliable and able to pick off enemies, machine pistols good for close quarters ambush and pistols concealable.

What you wear would also be important, probably reduced to headgear, uniform, boots and great coat. For example your German helmet offers good protection, but identifies you as a German from afar, whereas the Russian fur hat is warmer and makes you look like a Russian. Who you appear like is important as enemy soldiers and your own scattered allies will fire on those that appear as enemies. Dressing as civilians would have its benefits and restrictions too.

The moral choices would be a lot more grayer/grittier, for example you see a house with Russian civilians in it. You could...

A. Avoid it, but this means you can't get any supplies

B. Threaten them for supplies, but then they'll tell the Russian soldiers who will sweep the area.

C. Kill them all, aside from moral ramifications this takes ammunition and risks drawing a lot attention to your position. But if done quietly nets the supplies and no search.

D. Sneak in and steal the stuff, this risks B or C if caught

E. Pretend to be Russian soldiers (if you have the uniforms) and take or barter for it (you the protagonist would be able to speak Russian)

With randomly generated content like Left 4 Dead, each time could be different.

 

[blaze96]

I wouldn't mind an RTS that was more along the lines of Axis v Allies, just expanded upon the axis' side. I remember reading that the Japanese had the war planned all the way up to the point where they invaded the west coast, and their ultimate victory. Where's that game?

 

[Awesometown]

S

Me and my "colleagues" are working an idea like this, where you play as the Germans throughout the campaign, but I'm afraid that Tripwire will top anything we come up with in Red Orchestra II's German SP campaign. I'd really need a lot of support for this, because I don't want to spend my time typing out a storyline and script that I'm just gonna throw into the garbage 3 months from now.

I couldn't play that i'm jewish plus why does everyone think it "a good idea" to kill ww2 vets you know the good guys who died for your freedom

Last I checked, the Germans fought in WWII, wouldn't the survivors be vets as well?

Also, don't form an opinion based on the fact that it is from the perspective of a German soldier, in fact, I would suggest reading some German soldiers' biographies, in fact, here's one right here:

http://users.rcn.com/jim44/max1.htm

I would also recommend visiting forums with common debates about topics such as this before forming an opinion just because you're Jewish, which means that you also blindly assumed that I was not based on barely 3 sentences on a video game forum. Speaking of the forum, here's one right here as well:

http://forum.axishistory.com/index.php?sid=12c973e2cf71f69d496a0c79a9ee30c0

Also, for general reference to anyone who wants it, here's a day by day timeline of the entire war as well:

http://www.onwar.com/chrono/

I never said don't make the game cause im jewish I said I couldn't play it!

I never said that the germans who fought were evil I know that some were good people

However games always glorify war- I don't want to play a game as a brave nazi soldier fighting for the fatherland and heiling hitler
just because you not directly involved your still fighting for a government killed millions of civilians not just jews, gypsys, the mentalily ill,gays,disabled and anyone who supported communism

I wouldn't play cause im jewish, I don't like the idea because I know what the nazis did and don't won't to kill soldiers fighting for freedom

vets is just a figure of speech