Sony Admits External Forces Brought Down PSN

[Jabberwock xeno]

Remeber how they said geohotz was "escaping to south america" when he was in fact going on a vaction?

Hm?

I bet they are just flinging dirt around just like then.

 

[Treblaine]

I don't get this. If AnonOps is doing a massive attack on PSN via DDOS, wouldn't there be evidence of organizing from the myriad Anon sites?

As effective as DDOS is, there is more than one way to skin a cat.

For example it may be using a botnet for a Denial of Service attack. It may even have written a worm and injected it into the network spreading from system to system.

 

[Nargleblarg]

If anonymous says they didn't do it, they didn't do it we aren't stupid Sony

but sony hasn't said it was anonymous that did it...

They said it was external forces that brought it down....they wouldn't say that unless they want everyone to think it was anonymous but of course they didn't say it. This is 1 week after anonymous did admit to taking them down and then promising not to do it again.

 

[blind_dead_mcjones]

"Reading between the lines", is no grounds for a baseless accusations.

You can find hidden meaning in anything if you really want to believe there is something there. Sony hasn't come out directly and blamed them, and some people are acting like the have.

The party who are saying Sony are using anonymous as a scapegoat are basically saying:

"We're all thinking it, I'm just saying it."

no. they're just spouting off unsubstansiated bullshit

They said it was external forces that brought it down....they want everyone to think it was them but of course they didn't say it.

suuure they do, cool story bro.

and sony is actually the Umbrella Corporation, and they seek to continue with the secret conspiracy to sap and impurify our precious bodily fluids

 

[Agent Larkin]

I have to disagree.

Iran is spiteful enough that they might just pull this off.

Why would Iran attack a Japanese company affecting servers as much in Europe and middle east as America?

Iran would attack Xbox Live if any gaming network. Or some thing that fits into their paranoia of Americana and zionism, not PSN. In fact they wouldn't attack a gaming network because I don't think the leadership has any appreciation of video games nor their popularity.

Iran would more likely attack industry or the American establishment. maybe hack a jewish/israeli website.

China also may have the moxie for this but their interest is not trolling but power. They aim to increase governmental control and security, so that means dissidents, protesters and anything to do with tibet being independent will be targeted.

Not PSN.

Ok I was trying to make a joke.

Granted that joke seems to have died on its as but anyway

Je ne regrette rien

 

[Zeraki]

"Reading between the lines", is no grounds for a baseless accusations.

You can find hidden meaning in anything if you really want to believe there is something there. Sony hasn't come out directly and blamed them, and some people are acting like the have.

The party who are saying Sony are using anonymous as a scapegoat are basically saying:

"We're all thinking it, I'm just saying it."

But Sony isn't using them as a scapegoat. They haven't mentioned anonymous once through this entire ordeal. People are jumping to conclusions and throwing around accusations without any solid evidence.

 

[kael013]

Whatever, Sony. You just keep flingin' bullshit, and we'll see how that goes for you.

It's easy to call people liars without proof.

But it cheapens you.

He is expressing his opinion. How does vocalizing an opinion cheapen you?

Besides, PSN has been offline for what, 3 days now? Either it's an internal problem or it's a fairly large group of people coordinating attacks pretty much NON-STOP. Looking at it logically, the former (internal problems) is the more likely scenario.

 

[Popido]

People just hate Sony.

Not really that unexpected if you think about it.

 

[Treblaine]

Whatever, Sony. You just keep flingin' bullshit, and we'll see how that goes for you.

It's easy to call people liars without proof.

But it cheapens you.

He is expressing his opinion. How does vocalizing an opinion cheapen you?

Besides, PSN has been offline for what, 3 days now? Either it's an internal problem or it's a fairly large group of people coordinating attacks pretty much NON-STOP. Looking at it logically, the former (internal problems) is the more likely scenario.

There is a difference between:

"I don't believe"

and

"they are lying"

Also there is not logic to say 3-days means it IS an internal problem, especially ignoring how Sony has gone on the record at great liability to say they have detected intrusion.

Look I don't like Sony any more than the average person but I will not tolerate baseless slander because it cheapens the argument.

I believe there is a good case Sony fucked up by having inadequate security, but it is dishonest to ignore all indications of third party intrusion.

 

[Ben Legend]

Oh Microsoft, not playing fair again!

 

[Antari]

Well atleast Sony hasn't lost its touch with lying.

 

[Jumplion]

External Intrusion?

More like anal intrusion!

Amirite? Eh? Eh?

*crickets chirp*

OT: While it could be interpreted that Sony is blaming Anonymous, Sony has never specifically stated that Anonymous is behind this. Only an external factor or whatever.

Anonymous isn't one big group. Just because AnonOps says they aren't doing anything, that doesn't mean another sector of Anon isn't doing something. Of course, it could be anyone from Anonymous to Ebaum's World, so I'll just wait and see what comes of it.

It's annoying to be sure, I was in the mood to go on Killzone 3.

Either way, if it does turn out to be someone at Anonymous, all it's going to do is tarnish their image and making people less inclined to support them and/or Geohotz.

Captcha: very ghenteso. Lovely.

 

[blind_dead_mcjones]

Well atleast Sony hasn't lost its touch with lying.

and where is your evidence to substansiate the claim that they're lying

 

[Rex Fallout]

I wouldn't put it past anonymous. That cyberterroristic cult is just stupid enough to do this.

Well, good to get an update anyways.

I actually really liked Anonomous until they turned their gaze onto Sony. They were doing what was right, we do have freedom of speech and no one can take that away! Still from what little I know about their dislike of Sony, it seems like a stupid thing to do.

 

[rathorn14]

I wonder if this will devolve into people hacking other hackers in retaliation...

 

[Rex Fallout]

Well atleast Sony hasn't lost its touch with lying.

How do you know Sony is lying?

 

[Antari]

Well atleast Sony hasn't lost its touch with lying.

and where is your evidence to substansiate the claim that they're lying

Oh ya I forgot I'm a court of law here aren't I? ... Get a grip on yourself. What its saying is I don't believe what hes saying.

 

[Anaphyis]

Why is this going on for three pages? There is neither proof nor accusation of Anon being responsible, it's merely Sony coming out and saying their network couldn't handle artificial stress. But hey sure, seeing fanboys and haters rage and continuing their eternal slap fight is just riveting. Continue. Next pointless thread with the same bullshit tomorrow.

Sometimes I really wish this whole gamer "culture" would just pop like a bubble filled with asinine hot air.

 

[blind_dead_mcjones]

Sometimes I really wish this whole gamer "culture" would just pop like a bubble filled with asinine hot air.

glad to see i'm not the only one who thinks that

Well atleast Sony hasn't lost its touch with lying.

and where is your evidence to substansiate the claim that they're lying

Oh ya I forgot I'm a court of law here aren't I? ... Get a grip on yourself. What its saying is I don't believe what hes saying.

i'l just refer you this quote below

There is a difference between:

"I don't believe"

and

"they are lying"

Look I don't like Sony any more than the average person but I will not tolerate baseless slander because it cheapens the argument.