Sony Admits External Forces Brought Down PSN
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And a week from now when we all find out it was actually a hardware failure/upgrade then what? ... Sony has lied in the past, and it will continue to do it in the future. And I'm going to continue to say they are lying. If you don't like it or if this confuses you, look in another direction.blind_dead_mcjones said:
Ok I'll concede the point about opinion and admit that "logic" was the wrong word, though I still think internal problems is [i/]the most likely[/i] problem (note I didn't say is THE problem).Treblaine said:
However, I have to ask what indications that there was a third-party? A Facebook post? That could be legit, but that is all that I've seen pointing to a third-party. The rest is just Sony going "look it isn't [i/]our[/i] fault."
I still think that Sony is having some internal issues, but if it [i/]is[/i] Anon or another hacker group... well it wouldn't be the first time I've been wrong. *sigh* Whatever, I don't really care except that you insulted that guy for posting what he thought, then I thought I'd add my reasoning about the issue so his side would have more than just insults.
eh *shrugs* you're the one undermining your credibility by resorting to unsubstansiated slander on an internet forum and being prejudgemental as opposed to waiting until all the facts come out before comming to a conclusion, not meAntari said:
whatever floats yer boat
So I need to worry about credibility on here? Really? ... You seem to think, that I think my post is actually worth that much attention and effort. The only advice I can give you is stop taking yourself and everyone else so seriously. Let it go.blind_dead_mcjones said:
The Russian granny and shovel strike again. Admit it Sony ... it was the Red 'Ma and her shovel of catastrophe wasn't it?
(edit: Please let it be true that it was a person with a shovel ... or more so several people with shovels and/or other types of digging apparatus ... there needs to be more humour in the world ... that and it's kinda depressing people would piss off millions of people just to make a point)
(edit: Please let it be true that it was a person with a shovel ... or more so several people with shovels and/or other types of digging apparatus ... there needs to be more humour in the world ... that and it's kinda depressing people would piss off millions of people just to make a point)
I buy this story. Sony's MMOs and station.com were down for a period of time on Thursday too, I had friends talking about unexpected outages in Everquest 2 and Clone Wars Adventures. They came back up that day. To me, that reads like Sony shutting things down while they examined the scope of the problem, deciding the MMOs weren't affected, and bringing them back up.
If Sony Online Entertainment could flip a switch and come back up, presumably Sony Computer Entertainment can as well, and they have chosen not to because that exposes them to liability greater than whatever this outage is costing. Like a security breach that exposes customer data.
Plus the only hardware failure that takes this long to fix is an undersea cable, and I can't imagine an architecture where one cable would take down PSN, and only PSN, worldwide.
If Sony Online Entertainment could flip a switch and come back up, presumably Sony Computer Entertainment can as well, and they have chosen not to because that exposes them to liability greater than whatever this outage is costing. Like a security breach that exposes customer data.
Plus the only hardware failure that takes this long to fix is an undersea cable, and I can't imagine an architecture where one cable would take down PSN, and only PSN, worldwide.
Admits is kind of strong term for this. I believe "claims" to be more acceptable.
I think theres an internal problem they can't fix. If it was an attack, it shouldn't take THIS long to fix. Most networks have backups.
[joke] Someone must have tripped over a power cord, cant find which one.
I think theres an internal problem they can't fix. If it was an attack, it shouldn't take THIS long to fix. Most networks have backups.
[joke] Someone must have tripped over a power cord, cant find which one.
Y'know i wouldn't ignore the possibility that this is Sony royally fucking up and blaming their problems on a hacker group, but at the same time there were moments when Anonymous gave me the impression that they couldn't keep all their members in line. There are a few possibilities, all of them with very bad implications.
Why do people still think that Anonymous is an organization? The "members" vary from every operation, there's no management or leaders, there's just some random guy coming up with an idea, and a bunch of other random people joining in, at random intervals.
For those who don't speak it, I call bullshit on Anonymous being to blame. Saying it could've been someone within it without being the whole group is ridiculous as being a member of Anonymous is no more defining than being a member of any other group. And since I don't see you rushing to write up an article saying "library card holder takes down PSN network", in short - I call bullshit.
There's more hackers on the internet than just members of Anonymous. And a lot of them are very interested in fucking with networks, especially for their own benefits, which are numerous in this case considering we're talking about a network that's both played on and contains an online retailer.
I'm not cheering on for this, don't get me wrong, but do feel compelled to point out you're saying Sony's more hate-able than Microsoft. I'd urge you to think about that point again for a little while longerAku_San said:
Also, Sony did say Anonymous could potentially be the one responsible, before Anonymous declined the notion. But yeah, sadly the Escapist articles sometimes tend to pull stuff out of... let's be nice and call it thin air
I bet if Anonymous were the ones who hacked the PlayStation Network, they could easily have done the same to Xbox Live.
/endflamewar
/endflamewar
To all blaming Anon.
I remember few weeks ago when they started that denial of service attacks
and because of it PSN went down for a while. When Anon foud out about it
they stopped the dos attacks and sent a letter basically apologizing for
bringing down the PSN so that gamers were not able to play their games.
I remember few weeks ago when they started that denial of service attacks
and because of it PSN went down for a while. When Anon foud out about it
they stopped the dos attacks and sent a letter basically apologizing for
bringing down the PSN so that gamers were not able to play their games.
What? What proof do you have that this is bullshit, exactly?Ephraim J. Witchwood said:
I believe there's an applicable expression about assumptions, how does that go...
I think the important thing to note is that a few days ago, they didn't know what the cause for the outage was. Now the cause is that they deliberately shut PSN off themselves.
Thanks for lying to everyone for half a week, Sony. Not that I needed another reason to want to spend more time on my Wii, 360, and PC, but you just gave me one. You should have been honest and said you should it down yourselves from day 1. Instead, you string your customers along with bullshit about "we don't know why it's down" and "we don't know when it's coming back." If you don't know when you can bring it back up, that's fair. But you shouldn't have lied about why it was down. Good job, I can trust you guys even less. I didn't think that was possible.
Of course, this assumes that you're telling the truth now. How can I be sure you are? Why should I believe you now when you say you deliberately shut it off? For all I know, you screwed something up and can't figure out how to fix it, and are feeding us this new lie to make it seem like you know what you're doing.
Thanks for lying to everyone for half a week, Sony. Not that I needed another reason to want to spend more time on my Wii, 360, and PC, but you just gave me one. You should have been honest and said you should it down yourselves from day 1. Instead, you string your customers along with bullshit about "we don't know why it's down" and "we don't know when it's coming back." If you don't know when you can bring it back up, that's fair. But you shouldn't have lied about why it was down. Good job, I can trust you guys even less. I didn't think that was possible.
Of course, this assumes that you're telling the truth now. How can I be sure you are? Why should I believe you now when you say you deliberately shut it off? For all I know, you screwed something up and can't figure out how to fix it, and are feeding us this new lie to make it seem like you know what you're doing.
Because picking on Sony is trendy.MysticToast said:
Same here, hackers are self centered pricks.Casual Shinji said:
God I thought about that today and shivered. I've already been hit by identity theft once this year, I don't need it again.Doxcology said:
You know, if this is one person this probably the best frame I've seen in the last decade.Popido said:
Think about it, if they framed Anon for this and got away with this the repercussions against Anon (by that I mean 4chan.org) will be insane.
The US government has been known to take entire websites offline.