Sony is Doing Their Damn Job
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But didn't they loose a ton of money?EcHoFiiVe said:
I'm not sure, I might be remembering this wrong, but they lost a ton, and Sony might not want to risk so much on making another console, especially if it flops as much as the PS3 did on launch.
It would not have been possible to get credit card information and addresses and things like that if Sony had been doing it's job, period. Like I said, they have people employed whose sole purpose is to stop these attacks and make sure that everything is up to date. If Sony had been doing it's job and kept up to date, nothing short of an Artificial Intelligence could have hacked into and obtained the vital information.Trolldor said:
It's just been the latest thing in a long line of stuff we decide to whine about as the lazy self-entitled prats that we gamers are. I can guarantee that it's going to come back up right in time for some new DRM to be released that requires you to give a large blood sample every time you want to play, or something equally stupid for us to move on to complaining about.
Total, unjustified jerks? To hackers? Sigh.. I don't even know (or care) who "Graf_Chokolo" is, but if I buy a console, I buy it for what it IS. A video games console. Breaking in to systems and modifying shit that causes suspicious stuff like pirating games and "buying" stuff illegally from PSN (this could easily say XBLA as well), then damn fucking right it's justified. Hackers "retaliating" is not only immature, it makes "hackers" look like children having a tantrum. Grow the fuck up and DEAL WITH IT.migo said:
Linux/OtherOS is NOT mandatory/compulsory. The people who did use it are a vast minority of vocal extremist fuckwits.. Ugh..
I'm glad to somebody's willing to stand up for Sony around here. I'm been observing all the flak Sony's been getting over this whole hacking situation and think "WTF??? Aren't Sony the victims here? Why are we dumping on them?"
If you're pissed that the PSN is still down, well I would assume it's still down because they're trying to iron out all the flaws in it to make sure that it doesn't get hacked again, as best they can anyway, there's no such thing as an unhackable network. It's already been said, but they could have put the PSN back online the next day, but in all likelihood it'd would've just got hacked again. I'm sure Sony wants to do everything that they can to ensure that that doesn't happen. So give Sony a fucking break guys!
If you're pissed that the PSN is still down, well I would assume it's still down because they're trying to iron out all the flaws in it to make sure that it doesn't get hacked again, as best they can anyway, there's no such thing as an unhackable network. It's already been said, but they could have put the PSN back online the next day, but in all likelihood it'd would've just got hacked again. I'm sure Sony wants to do everything that they can to ensure that that doesn't happen. So give Sony a fucking break guys!
You know what? No. While it's true no network is totally impenetrable you can make them secure enough that hacking it is next to impossible. If the Sony fanboy view if the world was true there would be no such thing as internet banking or online purchases, professional hackers would have long ago stolen EVERYTHING. There are far more lucrative targets than the game servers of some overpriced console. Second hand or not, the evidence points to Sony being negligent in securing their customers private data.
If it turns out to be the case, Congress should rake them over the coals and make a harsh example of them.
If it turns out to be the case, Congress should rake them over the coals and make a harsh example of them.
Great post OP.Trolldor said:
I own a PS3 and love it. I'm not angry at all. Got my new cerdit card and haven't become a victim of fraud. Sony are doing what they need to in order to strengthen their defences because as soon as PSN goes live again, guess what...
hackers are going to try to brin it down. It will be seen as a new challenge, and these tools revel in it. I'm just glad I didn't waste any cash on Brink. Online or not, the game sounds like it sucks.
Bring on LA Noire.
"Asking for it?" How exactly? Because they persecuted Geohotz and that other fucker whom I've never heard of? Give me a break. Regardless of whether or not Sony was right in that regard, hacking the PSN network and inconveniencing thousands of Sony's customers is not exactly the appropriate way to "stick it to Sony." It's immature and childish and only going to ensure that Sony is going even more inclined to persecute hackers in the future. Good job!migo said:
THIS.canadamus_prime said:
I refer back to my "hackers are being immature children having a tantrum because they can't have their toy" analogy. That's all it is. Go fucking cry s'more, hackers. Just don't drag the rest of us honest, mature human beings down with you.
Their diligence, really? Three words for you, Steam, XBox Live. Steam has been about longer than PSN and more than likely has a much much larger user base and XBox live has been about longer than PSN and again has a much bigger user base yet neither of these services has been hacked to the extent that PSN was, I don't think either service has been hacked beyond the extent of one or two accounts being stolen.
Now we can spread rumours and place blame based on assumptions about outdated software and unfirewalled servers but as stated 'biggest hack of personal info in the history of the internet' and on a service that is not at all dis similar to two services that have been running longer, have more users and probably would have been much more valuable targets.
So that means that
a). Someone has a serious grudge against Sony to spend a whole bucnh of time and effort getting in to their service when they could have spent the time attacking Steam or XBox live.
or
b). Sony's service was just a hell of a lot easier to breach
The old saying no smoke without fire goes well with this topic, we have no sure fire way of saying just how much security Sony had in place but given the amount of 'information' kicking about that suggests that their security was less than adequate combined with the fact that more high profile, more valuable similar services are out their that the hackers could have gone after instead, well that points to a failing somewhere at Sony.
So back to the original point,
Sony being diligent, um no
77million on PSN and 25 million on Quoricity, yet it took Sony a week and several outside services to confirm the breach. 100million users worth of data and no one at Sony noticed the information being downloaded??? It is not a small download, that is a huge amount of data someone has gotten.
Mixed info on when PSN will be restored, going from end of last week to um we don't know but most likely by the end of this month.
Mixed stories from Sony itself on weather CC info was actually taken
The news is not exactly flowing out of Sony with regard to what action is being taken, by that I don't mean we are working on security and will have the network back up with your free games as soon as, which is what we are getting just now. I want to know what Sony are doing to improve the network, what security is going in now that wasn't there before, who was responsible for the security before hand are they involved this time round, how did the hackers get in, did they actually have to work or did they throw a banana at the chimp guarding the gate and wait for it to chase after it?
Actually, I believe Xbox Live has much less users online compared to PSN. The only reason XBL can have security like they do is because it's a paid service. With free services, people often have to cut corners. Yes, yes, Steam, but that's the exception to the rule.Laughing Man said:
They didn't encrypt everything, which is failure on their part, but if they can be trusted then they actually did have firewalls(3) protecting the PSN and their servers were up to date. The person that spread the bullshit, Gene Gifford, even admitted he didn't know whether what he said was true or not.
And to be honest, Sony already told us about all of this despite all of the terrible rep they'd get. If they say they have firewalls, then they probably do actually have firewalls.
April 19: Sony noticed something suspicious
April 20: Sony shut PSN down because they realized the PSN was being breached. They hire a team of investigators to?well, investigate.
April 23: Sony informs their users that their information may have been compromised.
Now that's 3 days, but you have to remember that it takes time to process information.