Sooo.... What is it about Metroid Other M?
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You know how it took women decades of hard campaigning to gain the rights that they have today, but now after all that people now think it's ok to start using "kitchen" jokes again like it all didn't matter.
Other M is the gaming equivalent of that.
Other M is the gaming equivalent of that.
Here's one example:ShadowsofHope said:
"If Metroid: Other M is indicative of the direction the Metroid series will be going from now on, I?m afraid I can no longer be a Metroid fan. For that matter, if Other M represents what Metroid?s creators had intended all along but hadn?t made clear until now, then I was never really a Metroid fan to begin with."
Another is their insistence of how Adam's and Samus' relationship is abusive by either relying on very subjective interpretations, far-fetched assumptions and equally far-fetched evidences, such as the analysis of Sector Zero scene and sometimes just calling Yoshio Sakamoto evil, which in itself is quite delusional.
They also go beyond that and start claiming that the whole modern pop culture glorifies abusive relationships, basically because Twilight exists.
This also clashes with how they also argue that the game is poorly written, which is the most logical reason, but instead they rely on how game glorifies sexism and such.
However, just as I said, from what I've just recently heard this article might just be satirical and sarcastic and shows how simple poor writing can be taken completely in the wrong context, which in hindsight makes a tons of sense.
But now I will go to sleep. I will continue this tommorrow.
Oh, I have no doubt it is poor writing all around, but that definitely does not make things any better from the perspective of the individual playing the game in terms of how they portray a male/female relationship between Samus and Adam (practically to the point of worshiping Adam, no matter the actions he takes).CriticalGriffin said:
Samus basically follows everything Adam does against her in the game like an obedient puppy, relinquishing her own safety and even her own judgments in the field for sake of Adam's own in the end. Even if it hurts her more than it benefits her own life. Which contradicts the strong lone wolf character that knows how to handle herself in which we are presented with in every other game in the Metroid series. That situation brings upon the mindset (no surprise) that the game views Samus as more a simple pawn to a dominant male figure that doesn't really care for her well-being, but rather how much control he can have over her emotions, her thoughts and even her actions to suit his own goals.
At least, that was my interpretation of my rather.. rough playthrough of the game. We'll likely agree to disagree here on this, no less. I just can't see the character relationships to have any sufficiently justified manner to them, in the end. I'm not saying I agree with everything in the article either (rather outlandish claims about pop culture included here), just that the criticism about the character relationships fits my own views on that aspect of the game rather well.
I think it is wise that you acknowledge this is just your interpretation.ShadowsofHope said:
Because all I was thinking, playing the same game with the same narrative, was that they obviously wanted to have a mechanism in play to limit the availability of her advanced weaponry and were too dumb or too incompetent to incorperate it smoothly into the actual narrative.
So my thoughts were more along the lines of "Wow, everybody in this game is a complete f*cking idiot." then "Wow, this game is really sexist.".
That´s not BETTER, mind you, it´s just less... malevolent.
I don't really consider it "sexist" in the typical meaning of the word, persay. I just view it as the creators of the game far selling Samus out short in terms of character, emotions and general development as a whole. Otherwise, I agree with you on the either too dumb or too incompetent to incorporate gameplay aspects and plotline narrative into something that actually makes sense for the characters involved (especially Samus).TheAmazingHobo said:
But yes, I realize my perspective is the only truly of concern when I am considering my own general enjoyment of the games I am playing. Though, the OP brought up the question on why Other M is given such a bad rap from most individuals, and I gave him an opinion in which I know is shared by many that have witnessed the game other than myself. That was the only reason I brought up that article, in any case.
The game was absurdly linear, and dialogue driven. Said dialogue and it's accompanying made me want to rip off my balls and throw them at the screen yelling "GET A SET!!!". The gameplay was terrible, with some strange switching between out of place combat and rail shooting, the control scheme sucked. I could go on.
I suppose I sounded a bit more confrontational than I wanted to.ShadowsofHope said:
I did not mean to say that your opinion is misplaced or that you should not articulate it openly. It´s just that this is a context where "sexism" gets thrown around quite often without proper argumentation (not by you explicitly, just generally), but with a lot of outrage.
And I prefer to think of people as idiots, not misogynists.
But I suppose whether you think about it in terms of female-male-dependency or mental retardation doesn´t even matter, the relationship between Samus and Adam is really sick either way.
And the article looks interesting, I´ll definitly read it on my next train ride.
I tried the demo of Other M. I know that it's not really the best way to view something, so this opinion is to be taken with... Oh... An entire shaker of salt.
Other M's gameplay to me was, well, adequite. I hadn't unlocked any of the more advanced powers in the game, but whatever.
The story made me want to put down the game and go play something else. Ignoring the head-pounding stupidity of Samus not turning on her anti-heat suit in a very hostile environment simply because Adam didn't say she could, it's just that trying to listen to Samus' voice actor was as boring as slapping some paint on a blade of grass and watching the paint dry only for the growth of the grass to split the paint.
Other M's gameplay to me was, well, adequite. I hadn't unlocked any of the more advanced powers in the game, but whatever.
The story made me want to put down the game and go play something else. Ignoring the head-pounding stupidity of Samus not turning on her anti-heat suit in a very hostile environment simply because Adam didn't say she could, it's just that trying to listen to Samus' voice actor was as boring as slapping some paint on a blade of grass and watching the paint dry only for the growth of the grass to split the paint.
It's story, complete disregard for the rest of the series, the dismissal of the Prime trilogy, and it's treatment of Samus as a character was the only thing that occupied my mind for over a month.
Then, just recently, I had a nightmare where Samus was being mentally tortured. There are some other details, but all you need to know is that it was a metaphor for what the Game did to her character. This nightmare also created a small fear in the farthest corner of my brain that I'm going insane.
Again. Thanks Sakamoto.
EDIT: Oh, and all aspects of the gameplay are shit.
Then, just recently, I had a nightmare where Samus was being mentally tortured. There are some other details, but all you need to know is that it was a metaphor for what the Game did to her character. This nightmare also created a small fear in the farthest corner of my brain that I'm going insane.
Again. Thanks Sakamoto.
EDIT: Oh, and all aspects of the gameplay are shit.
If that's the article I'm thinking about, that's more or less it. I think the writer is serious about how bad the story comes off of, but then points out that is likely an accident of lazy/bad writing.CriticalGriffin said:
Just go and watch the Zero Punctuation episode on it. Usually Yahtzee's videos accenuate the negative of what is usually an alright or good game, but everything he mentions in the Metroid: Other M review is perfectly accurate.
I think it would be unwise to ignore moviebob's opinion on the subject.
http://gameoverthinker.blogspot.com/2010/09/episode-40-heavens-to-metroid.html
i think he makes some points here in defense of the game worth responding to.
http://gameoverthinker.blogspot.com/2010/09/episode-40-heavens-to-metroid.html
i think he makes some points here in defense of the game worth responding to.
She watched Ridley murder her parents when she was very young.Radoh said:
Other M makes perfect sense.
the previous games make less sense.
She would be one messed up girl with alot of mental problems realistically.
The fact that she's been stalwart, stoic, and strong in the games before it makes less sense.
I quite enjoyed the story to Other M, but to each their own.
-Tabs<3-
I ended up disliking Metroid other M for a few reasons. The largest of them was that they made this large story with dull, boring cut-scenes and expected you to follow along with it. The story was incredibly hard to follow, badly written, and the dialogue drolled out by Samus was boring. And don't begin to tell me that the story was dismissible. It was in 'movie' format and they give you an entire bonus gallery of the clips to watch without game play.
It's not just that this wasn't how I imagined a woman's hero to be, though she could have been presented far better. It's that I couldn't connect at all with her, or Adam, or what was going on. It was especially hard when they left that entire assassin plot hanging like a broken door. In the end I ended up playing the game and kept getting interrupted by cut-scenes that reminded me of watching clothes dry. And I didn't care. I didn't care about the big sacrifice, I didn't care about Samus or what she was doing in relation to the story they were presenting me. The story, alone, made me want to leave the room and do better things with my time. Sometimes the story gave me a present and let me raise my hands in the air with a holy WTF?! about random shit that made no sense.
The game play was different. I enjoyed it for the most part. Two things in the game play broke it for me, though. One was the 'over the shoulder' view where you weren't allowed to run. I knew no monsters were going to attack me in this mode, and the rooms were bland and uninteresting. There was that one scene after you deal with Adam in the large control room where you're forced to walk around in that view - and you're given absolutely no details on where exactly you're supposed to go. It takes forever to eventually get where you're going.
The other was that 'find the pixel' sequence. Everyone around the board hated that one. Most of the time I spent a very long time trying to figure out what they wanted me to look at, and twice I had to throw up my hands and look at a strategy guide. The worst by far was the chick in the window, as she was so small in comparison to my pointer that the pointer didn't want to pick her up. Then I thought, "Huh, maybe I'm supposed to be looking for something else. A monster somewhere perhaps?" for quite a while. After this I was frustrated and throwing my hands up.
The previous Metroid games didn't lean so heavily on epic cut-scenes and what story there was flowed nicely with the gameplay at hand - especially Prime. And I'm sure if Nintendo didn't give the franchise to some unfamiliar company (specially one known for boob physics) and kept it on home ground, they could have kept a closer eye on it and the finished result.
It's not just that this wasn't how I imagined a woman's hero to be, though she could have been presented far better. It's that I couldn't connect at all with her, or Adam, or what was going on. It was especially hard when they left that entire assassin plot hanging like a broken door. In the end I ended up playing the game and kept getting interrupted by cut-scenes that reminded me of watching clothes dry. And I didn't care. I didn't care about the big sacrifice, I didn't care about Samus or what she was doing in relation to the story they were presenting me. The story, alone, made me want to leave the room and do better things with my time. Sometimes the story gave me a present and let me raise my hands in the air with a holy WTF?! about random shit that made no sense.
The game play was different. I enjoyed it for the most part. Two things in the game play broke it for me, though. One was the 'over the shoulder' view where you weren't allowed to run. I knew no monsters were going to attack me in this mode, and the rooms were bland and uninteresting. There was that one scene after you deal with Adam in the large control room where you're forced to walk around in that view - and you're given absolutely no details on where exactly you're supposed to go. It takes forever to eventually get where you're going.
The other was that 'find the pixel' sequence. Everyone around the board hated that one. Most of the time I spent a very long time trying to figure out what they wanted me to look at, and twice I had to throw up my hands and look at a strategy guide. The worst by far was the chick in the window, as she was so small in comparison to my pointer that the pointer didn't want to pick her up. Then I thought, "Huh, maybe I'm supposed to be looking for something else. A monster somewhere perhaps?" for quite a while. After this I was frustrated and throwing my hands up.
The previous Metroid games didn't lean so heavily on epic cut-scenes and what story there was flowed nicely with the gameplay at hand - especially Prime. And I'm sure if Nintendo didn't give the franchise to some unfamiliar company (specially one known for boob physics) and kept it on home ground, they could have kept a closer eye on it and the finished result.