Sooo.... What is it about Metroid Other M?

[Louzerman102]

The problem that I have with the Ridley Breakdown scene is not if the fear is feasible. Fear is complex and they seem to be depicting some form of PTSD. It is the way in which Samus is portryed. A soildier who is afraid of the enemy does not endear them self to a fan base. The other very clear point that needs to be made is that it is lazy/Bad writing. If the Dev. team says the manga is canon they bluntly said "it happened". We can agree on this. However in the manga she overcomes her fear and develops as a character in the process also known as "good writing." To bring that fear back, specifically later in the series when Samus had faced ridly multiple times, is just lazy. The character had moved past this. It's as if I made a game called "fear of swimming" then a sequel called "fear of swimming 2: relearning how to swim." We have already dealt with this, why bring it back.

 

[Sutter Cane]

I think it would be unwise to ignore moviebob's opinion on the subject.
http://gameoverthinker.blogspot.com/2010/09/episode-40-heavens-to-metroid.html

i think he makes some points here in defense of the game worth responding to.

Actually, it would be very wise to ignore Movie Bob's opinion on the subject since has has proven himself time and time again to be an idiotic Nintendo fanboy. He may be better at articulating his thoughts than your average fanboy but he is just as dumb as they come when to comes to being irrational.

Metroid: Other M was a piece of crap. Even if you don't think it ruined Samus's character, that wouldn't change that the writing and voice acting is still awful so the story is shit anyways. The only reason Movie Bob thinks it's so great is becuase it's not an FPS like the Prime trilogy, which he dismisses as inferior simply becuase he seems to hate all FPS games. The fact that he considers it a bold move to switch Metroid back to it's original side-scroller format is a testament to this. He acts like Retro was just dumbing down the franchise when they made it into an FPS for more appeal.

That's ad hominem. that's a logical fallacy. You Get Nothing, You LOSE Good Day Sir!

No it isn't.
To say that you should ignore his opinion on cake because he's a terrible liar would be ad hominem.
It isn't ad hominem if the flaw which someone is pointing out pertains to the point they're trying to devalue.

If you don't think someone's opinion on Nintendo games is valid because they have draconian preconceptions of Nintendo games, that's logically sound.

But when you do that you aren't actually addressing the argument at all, and so it's not refuting anything, and because it doesn't address the argument itself, only the character of the person making it, shouldn't it be a fallacy?

 

[CriticalGriffin]

Of course there are many different definitions for a 'badass' I think typically the idea is someone who is strong and brave and usually with some kind of toughened attitude. While I admit this is quite a two dimensional bland idea of what it takes to mean someone is tough, I feel that's the general idea of what makes a character 'badass'.
For what it's worth, I absolutely think that a character can have emotions and baggage and still qualify as badass (look at Batman for instance) I just think, from what I've read and seen in cinematics, that Other M overdoes this.
Especially with the implied theme of 'motherhood'. I mean references like 'the Bottle Ship' and the 'Babies cry' distress signal combined with the fact that 'Other M' is an anagram for 'Mother'... it's not like this is subtle.

... Actually it is. Sort of. It's either that or they don't really deal with it all that much. Atleast it's not as hamfisted as you may think.

Consider yourself somewhat misinformed.

Actually I would argue that the Varia suit can well and truly be used as an argument. The reason? Because even though it is basically an arbitrary game mechanic, it is still an arbitrary game mechanic that the writer decided needed a narrative explanation.
He had chosen to, rather then merely have power ups be available by coming across them in the game, instead have an element within the story to explain why Samus has all her powers and won't use them unless told to. Which works the same way as merely getting to the point in the game where she can use them by picking them up.

This means that the writer consciously decided to make it part of the story to have Samus need to wait to upgrade her weapons and thus, his sheer laziness to not come up with an actual justified reason to why Samus would run into a heated zone without protective clothing means that we have to take in the indication behind this.
Because this is no longer just a game challenge or game mechanic, by having it actually have a context within the story this is now a plot device that in turn interacts with the rest of the story.
If he didn't want this implication raised then he should have come up with a better reason for why Samus needed to not use the Varia suit. Or possible just drop the whole angle with the 'order' system and instead just have powerups lying around to be picked up.
Because by making it an actual plot device with a context and a reason behind it, it means that people have every right to then take that context given to it and use said context as an example of another point in the game where that context meshes with the rest of the plot to make an unpleasant implication.

The unpleasant implication being that even when her life is in danger, Samus would opt to follow orders and wait to be told to put on the Varia suit even though she is putting herself in danger pointlessly for it.

As for Final Fantasy and turn based battles well... there's no narrative device surrounding the turn based combat that I understand. No character ever yells:
"Let's fight fair like a game of chess!"
Thus giving an actual story basis for how the gameplay works. Hence there in lies a suspension of disbelief and no one needs to wonder why everyone is standing perfectly still in a supposedly tense battle waiting to be told to fight each other.
But the second a story writer tries to explain it is the point where things get wierd.

That's a very good point, however I still have to disagree, because the said implication is also varies from person to person. What may come off as sexist to some would not apply to anyone else. It's is too ambiguous and can be taken in many ways. For example, I know there are several people who thought that part was some dumb self-inflicted challenge Samus gave herself.
Also is that the implication of sexism and male dominance is clearly not what the author intended (after all, this is the same game where the protagonist rips the wings of giant bees, kicking various monsters in the face and fishes a giant lava fish-worm-thing) and the implication is merely because of bad writing, so calling it as an example of how the game is misogynistic is like calling The Incredibles misandrynistic (which actually sounds a lot more credible).

I don't know how something can only be partially considered 'canon'. Plus from what I've heard the writer of Other M decided to make the Prime series non canon (remember I'm not a hardcore fan so I apologize if I'm getting anything wrong here) which frankly I understand why large portions of the fanbase are mad.

Actually those games still are canon, but it's treated more as a spin-off, a side story to Metroid rather than part of the main storyline.

I mean if someone had retconned Halo 2 and 3 out of existence because they would interfere with the story that some new developer wanted to make in the Halo universe... I would be pissed too.
As it stands, whether it's canonical or not by those standards, according to the fanbase it still was at one point or another considered 'canon' by some kind of source and it showed Samus overcoming her childhood trauma.

True, but that same comic also contradicts everything displayed in Other M, so it's canoncity is highly questionable at this point. Plus, the overcoming of her childhood trauma was more of a slight implication than anything and could easily mean something else entirely.

Also as a side note from what I've gathered her childhood trauma regarding Ridley is something that doesn't have much to do with the overarching plot of the game itself (again going with what I've read and seen if I am wrong, please feel free to correct me) and after the battle Ridley escapes and Samus later comes across his corpse having apparently been killed by some offscreen threat.

Which of course raises the obvious question. If it had nothing or at least very little to do with the plot of the actual game and doesn't even get any kind of satisfactory resolution... why even have that scene in the first place?

Seriously, why have Samus be brought to her knees by her old nemesis, frozen in fear and barely recovering the will to fight if there isn't even a satisfactory resolution? Or even a 'Ridley escaped paving the way for a sequel' kind of battle?

To go with the Batman comparison again, this would be like if the Joker escaped from Prison, battled Batman and somehow crippled him with PTSD but then when Batman manages to confront him again way later in the story.... the Joker apparently died of heart failure.
I mean seriously, what would be the point of that?

If there was no context and no resolution, why even bring up a character's past traumas? Again, if I'm missing something, please let me know.

Well, the game is essentially set between Super and Fusion, so the resolution was somewhat set in the next game.
... However, it was anything but satisfying in hindsight and the Ridley in that game wasn't even technically him, so yeah, I agree with you there.

Though there is a chance that the game is supposed to remind the audience "Hey, remember that Ridley f*cked Samus' childhood?" and add Ridley's and Samus' battles a lot more weight and bring a new way of viewing all other fights against Ridley, but that would probably be a stretch.

Now see this argument I actually get, for the most part. Someone would no doubt be crushed to see that the opposition they thought was dead rise back from the grave, even after apparently being sure they defeated them last time.
But there are two factors at work here:
1. Samus has killed Ridley several times now, she at one point blew him up then roared with triumph at his demise. She knows how to kill him, she's done it several times. By this point, again with the Batman references, their relationship should be akin to Batman and the Joker. Two arch enemies destined to do battle forever.

Yes, but the difference between this and Batman is that Joker didn't kill Batman's parents, aside from the Tim Burton movie, but in that movie Joker got killed and Batman had an ample time to make the necesarry mental preparations for that final showdown.

2. According to the wiki, a few articles and reviews and word of mouth, the facilities on the Bottle Ship were cloning back into existence many of Samus's old enemies. Hence if she were thinking straight, she'd have no reason not to expect to see Ridley again.

Actually that revelation came after the battle against Ridley or sometime very near the boss fight(It's been a while since I played the game, I don't remember quite clearly), which you can argue that she didn't have time to consider that fact.

I saw the scene in question on a youtube video, she morphed into a helpless small child on screen. Literally, weak and humbled and pathetic.
And, considering my previous point about how it doesn't go anywhere or get any resolution of any kind, this scene serves only to make Samus suddenly look fragile.

I think it was a metaphor (albeit, quite pretentions) of Samus still fears Ridley and how mentally scarred she was by the events of her childhood.

Or something. It's up on the air.

Presumably if she chose the lonesome lifestyle of a bounty hunter then that does say a lot about her being a loner and being free spirited. I don't really see a family oriented person with strong social ties deciding to be a bounty hunter knowing full well that it would mean a life of solitude.
Plus, while it is true that Samus has been a blank slate for the majority of the series, it seems that this was clearly enough for people. In fact as a blank slate that people can project onto, it made Samus more appealling to the masses... clearly.
Perhaps it's because it allows us to want to understand her personality and as a mostly faceless and silent protagonist it allows every player to feel like they are her. We see her save entire planets, defeat giant monsters, blow up evil space stations... all on her own, without any aid.
Her silent nature didn't stop that and frankly, I see nothing wrong with that.
Okay so people made up details based on assumptions about her, but those assumptions sculpted her into a proud, iconic and strong female icon in an industry that is primarily male dominated.
Why did that need to be changed? Why did she need a backstory, a personality, or a voice? I think most people thought she was fine the way she was.

Here's the thing; Samus was never intended as a blank slate and you can argue that since Metroid II, she never technically was one in the first place.
This was made most apperant in Metroid Fusion, where Samus voiced her own opinions and thoughts very clearly.
I think why people consider Samus a blank slate is because of Metroid Prime, which had only minor involvement of the original creators. And even then, I have seen several people quite clearly taking Samus as it's own indepentant character, albeit filling her personality with their own interpretations.

You can of course have your own opinion on which one of the ways you prefer. I prefer that the character is an actual character.

Once again, it is no longer a gameplay thing. By giving it narrative context, it is now a plot device, it has every reason to be called into question if the author couldn't be bothered to come up with a better justification for the Hell Run.
I myself would come up with more arguments to use in this situation, but not being a hardcore Metroid fan I probably am not the best authority on that.

And once again, I say that the interpreting the plot device as the implication of sexism and using it as an arguement is less than solid.

Also I apologize if I came across as rude in any way, like I said I'm only arguing points that I've heard or read about and of which I formed opinions around myself.

I admit this may not be the best way to do this and I maybe needed to have actually played the game to have a valid view on the subject matter.
But in any case I felt like pointing out a few of my views on the subject matter strictly as an outsider, neither biased against, or in favor of, Metroid: Other M.

So if you want to reply... go easy on me. Please?

"Rude"? Not at all. If anything, you came off as more calm and reasonable, which is quite admireable. I also very much respect that you don't jump on the flaming bandwagon and start spewing hatred, despite that you are not a fan of the series in the first place and have no reason for ranting about it whatsoever (I'm looking at you, Spoony One).
I will also have to admit, you got some very good points there, especially considering that you haven't played the game yourself.

 

[DustyDrB]

I still want to play it (someone borrowed my Wii and they're being slack about returning it). I never played Metroid for the story, anyway. The gameplay looks fun.

 

[Sephychu]

I think it would be unwise to ignore moviebob's opinion on the subject.
http://gameoverthinker.blogspot.com/2010/09/episode-40-heavens-to-metroid.html

i think he makes some points here in defense of the game worth responding to.

Actually, it would be very wise to ignore Movie Bob's opinion on the subject since has has proven himself time and time again to be an idiotic Nintendo fanboy. He may be better at articulating his thoughts than your average fanboy but he is just as dumb as they come when to comes to being irrational.

Metroid: Other M was a piece of crap. Even if you don't think it ruined Samus's character, that wouldn't change that the writing and voice acting is still awful so the story is shit anyways. The only reason Movie Bob thinks it's so great is becuase it's not an FPS like the Prime trilogy, which he dismisses as inferior simply becuase he seems to hate all FPS games. The fact that he considers it a bold move to switch Metroid back to it's original side-scroller format is a testament to this. He acts like Retro was just dumbing down the franchise when they made it into an FPS for more appeal.

That's ad hominem. that's a logical fallacy. You Get Nothing, You LOSE Good Day Sir!

No it isn't.
To say that you should ignore his opinion on cake because he's a terrible liar would be ad hominem.
It isn't ad hominem if the flaw which someone is pointing out pertains to the point they're trying to devalue.

If you don't think someone's opinion on Nintendo games is valid because they have draconian preconceptions of Nintendo games, that's logically sound.

But when you do that you aren't actually addressing the argument at all, and so it's not refuting anything, and because it doesn't address the argument itself, only the character of the person making it, shouldn't it be a fallacy?

Currently, as I understand it, the argument Internet Kraken is presenting is that The Other M is less than brilliantly written, and that MovieBob's statement to the converse is in question for the reason that he is biased towards 2D side-scrolling Nintendo games. It's only fallacious if you attempt to fault someone's argument by pointing out a poor quality in them that doesn't pertain to their reasoning or argument.
In this case, Kraken points out that MovieBob has previously shown traits that link with undue bias which, while totally allowed, throws into question the possibility of his view being an objective one 'worth listening to' in defence of the game, as his bias might cause him to overlook poor writing in favour of the rose-tint of his glasses.

So far as I understand.

 

[Sutter Cane]

I think it would be unwise to ignore moviebob's opinion on the subject.
http://gameoverthinker.blogspot.com/2010/09/episode-40-heavens-to-metroid.html

i think he makes some points here in defense of the game worth responding to.

Actually, it would be very wise to ignore Movie Bob's opinion on the subject since has has proven himself time and time again to be an idiotic Nintendo fanboy. He may be better at articulating his thoughts than your average fanboy but he is just as dumb as they come when to comes to being irrational.

Metroid: Other M was a piece of crap. Even if you don't think it ruined Samus's character, that wouldn't change that the writing and voice acting is still awful so the story is shit anyways. The only reason Movie Bob thinks it's so great is becuase it's not an FPS like the Prime trilogy, which he dismisses as inferior simply becuase he seems to hate all FPS games. The fact that he considers it a bold move to switch Metroid back to it's original side-scroller format is a testament to this. He acts like Retro was just dumbing down the franchise when they made it into an FPS for more appeal.

That's ad hominem. that's a logical fallacy. You Get Nothing, You LOSE Good Day Sir!

No it isn't.
To say that you should ignore his opinion on cake because he's a terrible liar would be ad hominem.
It isn't ad hominem if the flaw which someone is pointing out pertains to the point they're trying to devalue.

If you don't think someone's opinion on Nintendo games is valid because they have draconian preconceptions of Nintendo games, that's logically sound.

But when you do that you aren't actually addressing the argument at all, and so it's not refuting anything, and because it doesn't address the argument itself, only the character of the person making it, shouldn't it be a fallacy?

Currently, as I understand it, the argument Internet Kraken is presenting is that The Other M is less than brilliantly written, and that MovieBob's statement to the converse is in question for the reason that he is biased towards 2D side-scrolling Nintendo games. It's only fallacious if you attempt to fault someone's argument by pointing out a poor quality in them that doesn't pertain to their reasoning or argument.
In this case, Kraken points out that MovieBob has previously shown traits that link with undue bias which, while totally allowed, throws into question the possibility of his view being an objective one 'worth listening to' in defence of the game, as his bias might cause him to overlook poor writing in favour of the rose-tint of his glasses.

So far as I understand.

Yeah the other parts of his argument aren't bad IMHO it's just the "He's biased so therefore anthing he says must be wrong" implication that seems to be given by his wording, his actual quote being

it would be very wise to ignore Movie Bob's opinion on the subject since has has proven himself time and time again to be an idiotic Nintendo fanboy

While Internet Kraken says that he is more articulate than other fanboys, he never actually brings up or refutes any of the arguments Bob brings up in the video, choosing to find them not even worthy of bringing up to to actual or perceived bias and goes on to argue for this bias instead of against the points bo makes, which is a bit of a red herring IMHO. If he had actually refuted or tried to refute bob's argument about how the different characterization of Samus didn't ruin her character, i wouldn't have said he committed a fallacy, but since he didn't (in fact the only thing from bob's video he brings up is that he didn't care that much for the prime series because he's not an FPS fan) I did.

 

[Internet Kraken]

No it isn't.
To say that you should ignore his opinion on cake because he's a terrible liar would be ad hominem.
It isn't ad hominem if the flaw which someone is pointing out pertains to the point they're trying to devalue.

If you don't think someone's opinion on Nintendo games is valid because they have draconian preconceptions of Nintendo games, that's logically sound.

I feel like I should probably explain why I find Movie Bob to be so biased and thus an bad source on things like this. Really atching any of his videos that involve Nintendo or games he hates (Halo) will show you his bias, but I feel that the best way to understand is to watch this;


I mean really, the man is a massive Nintendo fanboy. And there isn't anything wrong with that so long as you realize that it makes you horribly biased, and thus you should probably keep your mouth shut. Which is what Movie Bob should have done with Other M, but instead he had to spout his nonsense because he couldn't bear to see everyone beating up on his beloved 2D sidescroller.

 

[Sutter Cane]

-snip-

What exactly was wrong with that video, he provides an explanation of common fanboy behavior, and even takes a few cracks at the nintendo fanboy crowd, and he always makes sure to back up his opinions with reasons, and makes arguments instead of just spewing rhetoric like many on the internet. I think that he makes some good points in the Other M video that are worth addressing even if you disagree with them. Just like I incerdibly disagree with bob's "Worst Person" i still think he brings up interesting points that are worth discussing, not just dismissing them without coming up with actual reasons why his points are wrong

 

[Internet Kraken]

What exactly was wrong with that video, he provides an explanation of common fanboy behavior, and even takes a few cracks at the nintendo fanboy crowd, and he always makes sure to back up his opinions with reasons, and makes arguments instead of just spewing rhetoric like many on the internet. I think that he makes some good points in the Other M video that are worth addressing even if you disagree with them. Just like I incerdibly disagree with bob's "Worst Person" i still think he brings up interesting points that are worth discussing, not just dismissing them without coming up with actual reasons why his points are wrong

Because it shows he how subscribes to that mindset, and how painfully obvious his bias is as a result. If you obsess over the "good old days" as much as he does than of course you're going to like Other M just because it returns to classic Metroid format. However you're also going to ignore the obvious problems with the game as a result, so you should probably just keep your mouth shut. Of course Movie Bob thinks his opinion is golden and rants about how wonderful the game is and how we're all just overreacting.

I don't consider Movie Bob to be a credible source, so I'm not going to waste my time watching his video again. Just like I'm sure you didn't read everything that psychiatrist said and instead dismissed him solely because he claimed videos game are like cocaine. When someone says something horribly stupid like that it's perfectly acceptable to not treat them as a valid source, which is what I do with Movie Bob.

But if you really think he raises good points then you should restate them here. I'm not wasting my time watching the rantings of a fanboy again.

 

[Dorian6]

because it reduces Samus, arguably the first strong, independent, female character in games, and turned her into a weak, submissive, pet for the dominant male characters

 

[Axelhander]

Japan enforcing its societal views on an audience that SHOULD know that said views are contrived and chauvinistic.

Japan having done this for years via other games and its storytelling (read: anime).

People continuing to lap it up like it's fountain of youth water.

 

[sb666]

ignore my post

 

[gamepopper101]

I see both sides to what Metroid: Other M did to Samus

Bad:
-They made a character who appeared strong and confident into someone who's fragile and mother-like (towards a metroid that she found hatched from an egg and gave to science)
-They made her get bossed around by a male general to the point where she only uses power ups only on his command, not only is that weak but it makes both Samus and the General complete idiots.
Good:
-It's nice to see some actual plot development and continuity in a game that barely had that since Super Metroid and Metroid Fusion.
-They gave Samus a third-dimension...and people think this is an entirely bad thing?

Other than that it looked like a fun third-person shooter with a clever way to change into first person, like it's a mix of the old Metroid games with Metroid Prime.

 

[Axelhander]

Just saw MovieBob's Other M defense. As much as I like MovieBob, I can't agree.

And since I have a huge ego, here's what I posted in said video's comments:

Spoiler

DISCLAIMER: I'm a MovieBob fan and the following should not be seen as nitpicking for the sake of nitpicking.

You're using a strawmen here too, Bob. I'll point out one:

You discuss how, due to lack of characterization, we "fill in the blanks" based on what we see: Samus is in a non-revealing suit of powered armor, alone, finding all the gear she needs and defeating giant screen-filling enemies by herself.

However, there are other conclusions to come to other than "this means she rejects femininity, hates men, and must be emotionless" that still lead to grossly disliking the direction Other M decided to take.

To be fair, you're addressing people getting hung up on what Other M decides to flesh out as opposed to what people feel it *should* have fleshed out, and yeah, not every armchair game dev/storyteller knows what's the best way to fill that "should."

But this video reads almost like a blanket dismissal of the criticism Other M has received (including the assertion that its simplistic controls somehow inherently make it elegant, but that's been commented on already). And hey, people who want to play Other M and like it can go right ahead, but if someone asks the question "is it just me, or is Samus's emotional reaction here horribly contrived and slightly chauvinistic?", it shouldn't be immediately assumed that guy wanted Fem-Master Chief.

Slight tangent: the FPS bashing has to stop. Yes, the genre has problems and introduces problems, but it's a complex issue stemming from what FPS games tend to be now vs. what they could be... or were (e.g., original DOOM). And just slamming it wholesale is just as bad as the people you complain about in this very video, the ones who paint Japan as something it isn't (which itself is a complex issue as there are some very sociogender issues in Japan, but I digress).

 

[Sutter Cane]

What exactly was wrong with that video, he provides an explanation of common fanboy behavior, and even takes a few cracks at the nintendo fanboy crowd, and he always makes sure to back up his opinions with reasons, and makes arguments instead of just spewing rhetoric like many on the internet. I think that he makes some good points in the Other M video that are worth addressing even if you disagree with them. Just like I incerdibly disagree with bob's "Worst Person" i still think he brings up interesting points that are worth discussing, not just dismissing them without coming up with actual reasons why his points are wrong

Because it shows he how subscribes to that mindset, and how painfully obvious his bias is as a result. If you obsess over the "good old days" as much as he does than of course you're going to like Other M just because it returns to classic Metroid format. However you're also going to ignore the obvious problems with the game as a result, so you should probably just keep your mouth shut. Of course Movie Bob thinks his opinion is golden and rants about how wonderful the game is and how we're all just overreacting.

I don't consider Movie Bob to be a credible source, so I'm not going to waste my time watching his video again. Just like I'm sure you didn't read everything that psychiatrist said and instead dismissed him solely because he claimed videos game are like cocaine. When someone says something horribly stupid like that it's perfectly acceptable to not treat them as a valid source, which is what I do with Movie Bob.

But if you really think he raises good points then you should restate them here. I'm not wasting my time watching the rantings of a fanboy again.

Way to make hasty generalizations there about the psychiatrist there. I don't think i read that article, so i don't have an opinion on him as i don't have enough information to form a good one. Also, comparing a psychiatrist to moviebob is a terrible comparison. One was saying something that could be proven or disproved by science, and one is a guy on the internet talking about his subjective opinion on a subject. Also you seem to be dismissing moviebob's arguments purely on the basis of, he has a different opinion on the direction gaming should be going than me. IMHO you're coming off as way more biased than bob right now with all of the insults you have been flinging around in this thread. And yes, Bob does have a bias, but so does EVERYONE ELSE. The fact that he does have a bias does not mean that he cannot make good arguments for his points (which he frequently provides).

Here's another question, would you say that neither theists or atheists should be able to argue for the existence/nonexistence of a god or gods since they would be inherently biased towards their own philosophical opinion?

 

[CriticalGriffin]

Japan enforcing its societal views on an audience that SHOULD know that said views are contrived and chauvinistic.

Japan having done this for years via other games and its storytelling (read: anime).

People continuing to lap it up like it's fountain of youth water.

... Didn't I just said that the whole arguement about game being sexist is delusional?
Or did I say that in somewhere else...?

Oh, and great hasty generalization there.

 

[Azex]

I only play the numbered metroids in the series and follow those as canon. if it didnt have a number i havent played it so i dont even know what yall are talking about.

how is the prime trilogy btw? im thinking of buying that 3 in 1 deal for wii

 

[Zaik]

Didn't play it myself, but Yahtzee basically said it was time for Samus to get back in the kitchen.

 

[MrHero17]

Since Kraken doesn't want to get into specifics over movebobs video(and I understand why) I'll take a stab at something from it that really pissed me off when I watched it(which was a a couple of months ago).

Doesn't bob make the point that the fans who are upset with what MM did to samus's character are upset because they had wanted her to be an ice queen or a female master-chief and when they saw that the game didn't present her like that they immediately hated it? This really peeved me when I was watching since bob was making an assumption about me with that claim and it simply wasn't true. I won't get too specific into my idea of what samus is so I'll just say that in my mind she was a very strong and heroic woman, someone who would be looked up to by others. Thous are more character traits than personality traits but regardless MM really takes a dump on them.

So that was my take on the game whereas moviebob apparently thought the story was really good and that any previous fans who didn't like it just wanted samus to be an ice-queen who kills shit because it's fun.

In closing, fuck everything moviebob said about other M.

 

[Sutter Cane]

Since Kraken doesn't want to get into specifics over movebobs video(and I understand why) I'll take a stab at something from it that really pissed me off when I watched it(which was a a couple of months ago).

Doesn't bob make the point that the fans who are upset with what MM did to samus's character are upset because they had wanted her to be an ice queen or a female master-chief and when they saw that the game didn't present her like that they immediately hated it? This really peeved me when I was watching since bob was making an assumption about me with that claim and it simply wasn't true. I won't get too specific into my idea of what samus is so I'll just say that in my mind she was a very strong and heroic woman, someone who would be looked up to by others. Thous are more character traits than personality traits but regardless MM really takes a dump on them.

So that was my take on the game whereas moviebob apparently thought the story was really good and that any previous fans who didn't like it just wanted samus to be an ice-queen who kills shit because it's fun.

In closing, fuck everything moviebob said about other M.

I thought he was being hyperbolic when he made the ice queen/female master chief comment (although he never actually compared her to master chief) especially since when he brings up samus' assumed stoicism a couple times in the 2nd half of the video he uses much less harsh terms, and that that wasn't the main point of the video (in fact i'm fairly sure that was a one off comment) which i believe was that this new characterization isn't uncalled for as she never had much characterization in the first place, but that's just my perspective. However i would like to thank you for actually addressing the video unlike kraken who just seemed to hurl insults at bob when the video was brought up.