Space Marine women?

[GloatingSwine]

Yeah but if they could be 'engineered' what do you think they would be like?

But they can't. Further pursuance of this topic will invite the interest of the inquisition.

Neosage: Warhammer 40k has to be one of the most unsexualized IPs out there

It is now. I mean Daemonettes wear clothes these days. What's that all about, eh?

 

[Silver]

In America, women are not allowed in infantry for either Army or Marines. It's based on certain aspects that most women are not comfortable with(e.g. having a shit-hole where people can see you).

No, it's based on misogyny. As is the reasons behind why there are only male space marines. It's supported and defended by the lore, but that lore only exists because Games Workshop thought female space marines weren't as badass.

You can come up with any other reasons you want, but that one's the one that's right.

And whoever complained about that females couldn't be snipers, go read some books on human physique, and if you still aren't convinced even after your misogynystic perceptions are thrown out of the way, go check some statistics from World War 2 or something. There's several lists of the efficiency of snipers, and among the snipers with the highest kill counts during the war, there are several females, especially among the russians.

The reasons brought up by people saying that females couldn't be space marines are aslo pretty stupid. Breasts wouldn't get in the way, at all. Even a woman from today with big breasts can wear most types of armour. It's lumps of fat, after all, they can change shape. If a woman can wear a breastplate, made for a man, a genetically engineered woman, trained from birth can very easily wear a suit of power armour.

And whoever said females would cut off their breasts to be able to fire bows? Yeah, that's not going to happen. First off, there's no proof that amazons (to which that practice is attributed) has ever existed. Secondly, if they did, and thought in battle they would be trained for it, and not have too much to eat, this would mean they wouldn't have big enough breasts to get in the way. Thirdly, the only way a females breats could get enough in the way of firing a bow to warrant cutting them off is if said woman was slightly overweight, from today (since our evolution has changed us) and not very well-trained at all AND thought naked. A simple piece of cloth could easily keep even the biggest (natural, with silicon and stuff you can probably make it impossible) breasts away from the string. Fighting naked with larger breasts than any normal people had at the time would also be pretty stupid for a lot of other reasons.

In short, no, it didn't happen. At least not for that reason. Old cultures may have cut off their boobs, but not because they got in the way of firing bows. And to get them in the way of firing a gun, you'd have to be from an anime.


The topic though, is pretty interesting, despite all the misogynystic comments, and if the restriction to only WH40K was removed. We rarely see female Space Marines these days, we used to, in Alien, in Starship troopers, and in a few other lesser known movies. These days space marines and power armours are more popular than ever, and the only females we see wearing them are in Fallout, and that's because they did so even in the first game.

Personally I think both we as a society should have moved forward enough that portraying the genders like that would be wrong. Personally I think that should be even more evident a few hundred or thousand years into the future, where these games usually take place, but since few of these games really care about what makes sense, and only about what's badass and awesome and cool, and what would make the 14-year old players cum in their pants just thinking about the game, I don't think we'll see any interesting portrayals of Space Marines, at least in another 5 years.

 

[samsprinkle]

Here, I'll spell space marine "t-e-s-t-o-s-t-e-r-o-n-e f-r-e-a-k" in 40k that's kindof what they are all about, is violently ripping the heads off of heretics and orks...most teenage boys would probably shit themselves if a female marine ripped the head off of their troops on paper or on a PC...It's just the way the world is, kindof the way there are no male nurses...oops. Kids just don't think women are as badass, I myself have been to karate and trust me...women WILL kick your ass.

 

[DeusFps]

The chest prevents the black carapace.

 

[Ursus Astrorum]

Female Space Marines exist as Sisters of Battle in the 40K universe. Not only that, but I seem to recall that Salamander Chapter fluff says that they have not only females but families. I'm thinking the same goes for the Space Pooches, but I may be wrong there.

 

[sheic99]

In America, women are not allowed in infantry for either Army or Marines. It's based on certain aspects that most women are not comfortable with(e.g. having a shit-hole where people can see you).

No, it's based on misogyny. As is the reasons behind why there are only male space marines. It's supported and defended by the lore, but that lore only exists because Games Workshop thought female space marines weren't as badass.

You can come up with any other reasons you want, but that one's the one that's right.

And whoever complained about that females couldn't be snipers, go read some books on human physique, and if you still aren't convinced even after your misogynystic perceptions are thrown out of the way, go check some statistics from World War 2 or something. There's several lists of the efficiency of snipers, and among the snipers with the highest kill counts during the war, there are several females, especially among the russians.

The reasons brought up by people saying that females couldn't be space marines are aslo pretty stupid. Breasts wouldn't get in the way, at all. Even a woman from today with big breasts can wear most types of armour. It's lumps of fat, after all, they can change shape. If a woman can wear a breastplate, made for a man, a genetically engineered woman, trained from birth can very easily wear a suit of power armour.

And whoever said females would cut off their breasts to be able to fire bows? Yeah, that's not going to happen. First off, there's no proof that amazons (to which that practice is attributed) has ever existed. Secondly, if they did, and thought in battle they would be trained for it, and not have too much to eat, this would mean they wouldn't have big enough breasts to get in the way. Thirdly, the only way a females breasts could get enough in the way of firing a bow to warrant cutting them off is if said woman was slightly overweight, from today (since our evolution has changed us) and not very well-trained at all AND thought naked. A simple piece of cloth could easily keep even the biggest (natural, with silicon and stuff you can probably make it impossible) breasts away from the string. Fighting naked with larger breasts than any normal people had at the time would also be pretty stupid for a lot of other reasons.

In short, no, it didn't happen. At least not for that reason. Old cultures may have cut off their boobs, but not because they got in the way of firing bows. And to get them in the way of firing a gun, you'd have to be from an anime.


The topic though, is pretty interesting, despite all the misogynystic comments, and if the restriction to only WH40K was removed. We rarely see female Space Marines these days, we used to, in Alien, in Starship troopers, and in a few other lesser known movies. These days space marines and power armours are more popular than ever, and the only females we see wearing them are in Fallout, and that's because they did so even in the first game.

Personally I think both we as a society should have moved forward enough that portraying the genders like that would be wrong. Personally I think that should be even more evident a few hundred or thousand years into the future, where these games usually take place, but since few of these games really care about what makes sense, and only about what's badass and awesome and cool, and what would make the 14-year old players cum in their pants just thinking about the game, I don't think we'll see any interesting portrayals of Space Marines, at least in another 5 years.

All I am doing is stating facts. The US does not allow women into infantry or subs. Many countries do. America sends out troops for longer patrols than other countries also. I believe the average American submarine goes out for approximately 3 months. Due to confinement issues there is one bathroom and one set of extremely tight quarters(excluding officer's). The Army just prefers to keep it single sex. This has little to do with the topic on hand, I just figured the game studio who designed the WH40k looked at current military practice and based the future off of that. As a side note, the US Army also does not allow 1 man and 1 woman to walk together by themselves, hold hands or kiss in uniform.

 

[NordicNinja]

I'm sorry, but I don't believe for a second that Games Workshop didn't include women into the Adeptus Astartes due to misogyny. If anything, it was practicality - at the time, they were casting in pewter - having female models would mean having to make entirely new molds.

Once they were profitable, of course, they had no qualms about making an entire army out of females.

I do agree though that some of the comments have been misogynistic. And I also agree that it was very refreshing to see some females wearing Power Armor in Fallout 3.

There is a lot of lore to Warhammer 40k which explains why even though humanity is so advanced, they're still backwards in a lot of things. If anything, Warhammer 40k is the best sci-fi fiction when it comes to things 'making sense.'

It is now. I mean Daemonettes wear clothes these days. What's that all about, eh?

At least they retained their claws and pincers and such. Those really get the boys going.

 

[Silver]

Sheic, I wasn't questioning the facts. I'm very much ready to believe the United states would have ridiculously stupid, outdated misogynystic rules for their military.

I'm questioning if society ( ofthe rest of the world) hasn't evolved past that point, and if not now, then far away in the future when we have power armours and go around killing alien scum.

 

[hypothetical fact]

There are space marine women in quake and unreal tournament.

 

[hellthins]

In America, women are not allowed in infantry for either Army or Marines. It's based on certain aspects that most women are not comfortable with(e.g. having a shit-hole where people can see you).

No, it's based on misogyny. As is the reasons behind why there are only male space marines. It's supported and defended by the lore, but that lore only exists because Games Workshop thought female space marines weren't as badass.

You can come up with any other reasons you want, but that one's the one that's right.

And whoever complained about that females couldn't be snipers, go read some books on human physique, and if you still aren't convinced even after your misogynystic perceptions are thrown out of the way, go check some statistics from World War 2 or something. There's several lists of the efficiency of snipers, and among the snipers with the highest kill counts during the war, there are several females, especially among the russians.

The reasons brought up by people saying that females couldn't be space marines are aslo pretty stupid. Breasts wouldn't get in the way, at all. Even a woman from today with big breasts can wear most types of armour. It's lumps of fat, after all, they can change shape. If a woman can wear a breastplate, made for a man, a genetically engineered woman, trained from birth can very easily wear a suit of power armour.

And whoever said females would cut off their breasts to be able to fire bows? Yeah, that's not going to happen. First off, there's no proof that amazons (to which that practice is attributed) has ever existed. Secondly, if they did, and thought in battle they would be trained for it, and not have too much to eat, this would mean they wouldn't have big enough breasts to get in the way. Thirdly, the only way a females breats could get enough in the way of firing a bow to warrant cutting them off is if said woman was slightly overweight, from today (since our evolution has changed us) and not very well-trained at all AND thought naked. A simple piece of cloth could easily keep even the biggest (natural, with silicon and stuff you can probably make it impossible) breasts away from the string. Fighting naked with larger breasts than any normal people had at the time would also be pretty stupid for a lot of other reasons.

In short, no, it didn't happen. At least not for that reason. Old cultures may have cut off their boobs, but not because they got in the way of firing bows. And to get them in the way of firing a gun, you'd have to be from an anime.

The topic though, is pretty interesting, despite all the misogynystic comments, and if the restriction to only WH40K was removed. We rarely see female Space Marines these days, we used to, in Alien, in Starship troopers, and in a few other lesser known movies. These days space marines and power armours are more popular than ever, and the only females we see wearing them are in Fallout, and that's because they did so even in the first game.

Personally I think both we as a society should have moved forward enough that portraying the genders like that would be wrong. Personally I think that should be even more evident a few hundred or thousand years into the future, where these games usually take place, but since few of these games really care about what makes sense, and only about what's badass and awesome and cool, and what would make the 14-year old players cum in their pants just thinking about the game, I don't think we'll see any interesting portrayals of Space Marines, at least in another 5 years.

While the lack of women Space Marines is undoubtedly based on misogyny, now that it's entered the lore it honestly should stay that way. This is the Imperium of Man. Progress, scientific or social, is tantamount to heresy.

However, there are three things worth noting. All Eldar wear female armor, male or otherwise. The Sisters of Battle are nigh incorruptible, compared to the SPESS MAHREENS who seem to have an issue with not getting corrupted regularly, and there is actually ONE female space marine. However, she's a chaos space marine. Some woman put on a chaos space marine's armor and I think she's a Chaos Lord. At least, there is one female chaos spess mahreen if I remember my lore correctly.

 

[Ultrajoe]

Given that the Space Marines are as much 'Men' as a skateboard is a car, does it matter?

To turn someone into a space marine as we know them, you'd need to alter their physiology so much they'd end up looking and sounding like the power-armored blokes we have already. Besides, it screws with the Canon and the Gene seed is made for Males. Sisters of Battle are already too cool to crap all over their canon with female marines.

 

[NordicNinja]

And you still think it's 'undoubtedly based' on misogyny, over something like practicality?

 

[Silver]

And you still think it's 'undoubtedly based' on misogyny, over something like practicality?

Yes, completely.

 

[hellthins]

And you still think it's 'undoubtedly based' on misogyny, over something like practicality?

You mean the game where the monogender race is still incredibly incredibly buff and manlike instead of what a real monogender race would probably look like, rather androgynous? The game that's primarily about a bunch of guys in armor shooting at each other, who are only guys for some contrived soft science excuse? That the only characters represented as having females that fight are the Eldar? A game that didn't have a mono-female army to match the multiple mono-male armies until 1997?

That game couldn't possibly be misogynistic or ignoring a female playerbase at all!

 

[The Wooster]

Ok. Seriously guys. This is starting to make us look bad.

"No girls in our secret club! The rules say so! You can't change the rules!"
"No girls in our secret club! Girls aren't as good as secret club stuff as dudes"
"No girls in our secret club! Girls are icky"
"Why won't any girls join our secret club?"

1. Arguing that we should have female space marines, particularly if you're a dude. Is fairly cretinous.

Behold! Sandra.

Check out the tits on her! Pst, she's the one at the back. You can totally tell from the way she walks.

2. Arguing that we shouldn't have female space marines in a game that is designed to encourage creativity and enginuity because, and I paraphrase here, "Games workshop sed so", is equally cretinous.

 

[ElArabDeMagnifico]

I thought Sisters of Battle are just the "female equivelant" (and weaker) - I know they are not actually space marines but hey, that and the witch hunters are as close as it'll get.

They dance to caramelldansen and everything.

 

[stompy]

And again, if Space Marines could be female, they would be exactly the same.

Thank you. A lot of people seem to forget that most armour is mass-produced... why change the armour's shape, just because the wearer is female? It's an unnecessary cost.

 

[hellthins]

And again, if Space Marines could be female, they would be exactly the same.

Thank you. A lot of people seem to forget that most armour is mass-produced... why change the armour's shape, just because the wearer is female? It's an unnecessary cost.

Actually, there aren't nearly enough space marines out there to justify mass producing it, if I recall correctly, and most space marines have very orante and very individualized armor. They're all saints, their stuff gets a lot more attention when it's being crafted than a guardsman's cardboard and flash light.

 

[Phyroxis]

Well... that was nice?


I think Space Marines are great and all... but that video was just a few frames bouncing back and forth...

I... im lost for words.

 

[stompy]

Actually, there aren't nearly enough space marines out there to justify mass producing it, if I recall correctly, and most space marines have very orante and very individualized armor. They're all saints, their stuff gets a lot more attention when it's being crafted than a guardsman's cardboard and flash light.

Ah, sorry for that. I was referring to space marines other than just the Space Marines of Warhammer 40 000... I don't play, so I wouldn't have much to contribute.