Spartan Vs Astartes

[Trivun]

funny i thought ultimate showdown of ultimate destiny threads weren't allowed...

I love how everyone mentioning the Astartes forget that they have no shield system on heir armour, except in certain cases. It certainly isn't standard, at any rate. Whereas Spartans have shield systems, and are physically the match of the Astartes thanks to their augmentations. The only difference here is that Astartes LOOK more powerful, because their armour is more padded out and bulky. That, by the way, also makes them much less quick and agile, where the Spartans have the edge. So if you think logically about this, Spartans have a severe advantage over the Astartes. It'll take more power to down an Astartes because of that bulked up armour, but nevertheless, Spartans would win, purely because they'd be able to attack more efficiently and effectively than an Astartes ever could.

irrelevant, as astartes armour is powered (think iron man or fallout powered armour), an astartes is just as agile with the armour as they would be without (in fact they'd probably be more agile as it increases their already progidious strength)

And MJOLNIR armour isn't powered? MJOLNIR armour works the same way as Astartes armour. Not to mention it's powered as well, using a small nuclear fusion pack hardwired into the armour back piece. What do you think powers the shield system lifted from the Covenant?

Anyway, it's all irrelevant. Spartans would still win, because any Spartan foolish enough to get into close-up combat with an Astartes deserves to die, whereas most Spartans will be smart enough to focus on long-range combat (and unlike the Astartes, who limit snipers to their Scouts, all Spartans are exceptionally proficient in long-range marksmanship and sniper training). They'd pick off the Astartes one by one from a few kilometres away. Or, you know, bombard them from orbit with MAC and Shiva nuclear missile fire. Simple.

 

[HerbertTheHamster]

These threads are pointless because the 40K universe is designed to be insanely over the top.

 

[Lil_Rimmy]

funny i thought ultimate showdown of ultimate destiny threads weren't allowed...

I love how everyone mentioning the Astartes forget that they have no shield system on heir armour, except in certain cases. It certainly isn't standard, at any rate. Whereas Spartans have shield systems, and are physically the match of the Astartes thanks to their augmentations. The only difference here is that Astartes LOOK more powerful, because their armour is more padded out and bulky. That, by the way, also makes them much less quick and agile, where the Spartans have the edge. So if you think logically about this, Spartans have a severe advantage over the Astartes. It'll take more power to down an Astartes because of that bulked up armour, but nevertheless, Spartans would win, purely because they'd be able to attack more efficiently and effectively than an Astartes ever could.

irrelevant, as astartes armour is powered (think iron man or fallout powered armour), an astartes is just as agile with the armour as they would be without (in fact they'd probably be more agile as it increases their already progidious strength)

And MJOLNIR armour isn't powered? MJOLNIR armour works the same way as Astartes armour. Not to mention it's powered as well, using a small nuclear fusion pack hardwired into the armour back piece. What do you think powers the shield system lifted from the Covenant?

Anyway, it's all irrelevant. Spartans would still win, because any Spartan foolish enough to get into close-up combat with an Astartes deserves to die, whereas most Spartans will be smart enough to focus on long-range combat (and unlike the Astartes, who limit snipers to their Scouts, all Spartans are exceptionally proficient in long-range marksmanship and sniper training). They'd pick off the Astartes one by one from a few kilometres away. Or, you know, bombard them from orbit with MAC and Shiva nuclear missile fire. Simple.

He said that the Spartans only have assault rifles, pistols and energy swords, so good luck sniping with that.

 

[Ampersand]

The chief is ridiculously fast and his armor is designed to withstand plasma so I'm pretty sure he could take him.

 

[UberMore]

Okay, this is actually a hard question.

I think that if it were The Master Chief against one of them, the Chief would definitely win.

He has better training. (He was trained since 12 years old to be one of the most powerful killing machines in the universe.)

He has much better mobility and reflexes.

He has a lot of experience (He demolished entire armies single-handedly.)

He doesn't rely on his armor. He was trained to fight without it.

So really, against any kind of grunt without a face, he'd win, no question.

Now a Spartan vs a Space Marine is a toss-up. Dexterity and reflexes vs strength and armor. I'd probably still go with the spartans.

For you, we'll go for the Chief vs Nathaniel Garro, the first Inquisitor.

Garro has been trained and Augmented since the age of 12, also, and has had atleast Two Centuries of pure battle and war, fighting way over a thousand battles and slaying countless foes.
He rose to become an honoured Battle Captain of the Death Guard's 7th Company and had the respect of most of his peers because of his tactical prowess, unmatched fighting ability and pure determination in the face of adversity.
Without his suit, he's a match for the Chief IN his suit, and is the same height.
He's mastered the Imperial Battle Drills and fighting techniques, is a master swordsman and is one of the stronger of the Astartes in the Death Guard.

Who would win in that fight?

The Chief with his 30+ years of fighting one race of enemies, using guns and cover plus a whole lot of luck, or Garro, with 200+ years of nothing but war and enhancement, training and toe-to-toe battles with the foulest Xenos breeds across the galaxy?

 

[blind_dead_mcjones]

Okay, this is actually a hard question.

I think that if it were The Master Chief against one of them, the Chief would definitely win.

He has better training. (He was trained since 12 years old to be one of the most powerful killing machines in the universe.)

He has much better mobility and reflexes.

He has a lot of experience (He demolished entire armies single-handedly.)

He doesn't rely on his armor. He was trained to fight without it.

So really, against any kind of grunt without a face, he'd win, no question.

Now a Spartan vs a Space Marine is a toss-up. Dexterity and reflexes vs strength and armor. I'd probably still go with the spartans.

astartes by comparison

pick their recuits by the thousands from the most hellish of worlds (of which only about 10 might survive both the training and the augmentation process), usually only those who have proven themselves to be capable battle hardened warriors are picked (in some cases they are half dead from being mortally wounded in said battle)

mobility and reflexes are equal if not better due to their powered armour actually connecting with their nervous system

have several hundred years of experience facing trillions of aliens and cosmic abombinations that can wipe out whole planets with impunity

can also fight without their armour (they can pretty much liquefy your skull with the force of one punch, and spit corrosive acid)

a more accurate comparison is dexterity and relexes vs dexterity, reflexes, strength and arrmour, a spartan would only just be able to handle dealing with a space marine scout, a full astartes would crush one and then move on

 

[blind_dead_mcjones]

And MJOLNIR armour isn't powered? MJOLNIR armour works the same way as Astartes armour. Not to mention it's powered as well, using a small nuclear fusion pack hardwired into the armour back piece. What do you think powers the shield system lifted from the Covenant?

Anyway, it's all irrelevant. Spartans would still win, because any Spartan foolish enough to get into close-up combat with an Astartes deserves to die, whereas most Spartans will be smart enough to focus on long-range combat (and unlike the Astartes, who limit snipers to their Scouts, all Spartans are exceptionally proficient in long-range marksmanship and sniper training). They'd pick off the Astartes one by one from a few kilometres away. Or, you know, bombard them from orbit with MAC and Shiva nuclear missile fire. Simple.

right, and do you propose to pick off a space marine with sniping considering their armour (which includes the helmet) can shrug off hits from tank cannons and even survive an orbital bombardment? (hell they often ride drop pods to the surface, in essence they are being the orbital bombardment) and the detection systems in their armour would pick up said spartan from kilometres away?

EDIT: bleh, double post..

 

[Zykon TheLich]

uence.

 

[Socks and Shoes]

@All those who say Master Chief is more agile.

Astartes have an organ that fuses their nervous system to their armor when the put it on, pretty much making it a second skin, even weighing over a ton in it, they can still move at blurring speeds and strike with lightning precision.

Hell, I go as far to say a space marine could take on five Spartans and walk away without a scratch.

 

[Spacewolf]

Okay, this is actually a hard question.

I think that if it were The Master Chief against one of them, the Chief would definitely win.

He has better training. (He was trained since 12 years old to be one of the most powerful killing machines in the universe.)

He has much better mobility and reflexes.

He has a lot of experience (He demolished entire armies single-handedly.)

He doesn't rely on his armor. He was trained to fight without it.

So really, against any kind of grunt without a face, he'd win, no question.

Now a Spartan vs a Space Marine is a toss-up. Dexterity and reflexes vs strength and armor. I'd probably still go with the spartans.

For you, we'll go for the Chief vs Nathaniel Garro, the first Inquisitor.

Garro has been trained and Augmented since the age of 12, also, and has had atleast Two Centuries of pure battle and war, fighting way over a thousand battles and slaying countless foes.
He rose to become an honoured Battle Captain of the Death Guard's 7th Company and had the respect of most of his peers because of his tactical prowess, unmatched fighting ability and pure determination in the face of adversity.
Without his suit, he's a match for the Chief IN his suit, and is the same height.
He's mastered the Imperial Battle Drills and fighting techniques, is a master swordsman and is one of the stronger of the Astartes in the Death Guard.

Who would win in that fight?

The Chief with his 30+ years of fighting one race of enemies, using guns and cover plus a whole lot of luck, or Garro, with 200+ years of nothing but war and enhancement, training and toe-to-toe battles with the foulest Xenos breeds across the galaxy?

dont forget that marines also have to be picked before pubity so they are already the best warriors on those planets by that age

 

[Trolldor]

Let's see...

Based on cutscenes alone, an Astartes can take Eldritch lightning head on and still come out victorious.
Chief has trouble with a few bullets.

 

[ChupathingyX]

I just realised that the OP said "astartes".

He never specifically stated "Space Marine", for all we know it could be a Space Marine, Scout, Terminator, Apothecary, Techmarine, Force Commander, Chaplain, Librarian, Devastator or even one of the Primarchs.

All of those are part of the Adeptus Astartes.

 

[Voodoomancer]

If we go into pure physical factors, Space Marines have such an advantage it's not even funny.

Tech-wise, space marines have several thousands of years of technological advancement for a head start, even if you factor in the technological dark ages.

As for experience, the average space marine has been figthing for longer than a Spartan's expected life length.

Chief. He's actually genetically modified.
Space Marines are only elite humans.

http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Space_Marines

No they aren't.

 

[Sojoez]

Is there actually ANYTHING outside the WH40K universe that could beat an Astartes? As in, from an other game?

 

[mrscott137]

Definitely the space marine. The bolter is the equivalent of having 4 50.caliber shots with a lump of C4 on the end of each hammer into you with each pull of the trigger, and a Bolt pistol is just that but shorter range. Not to mention Plasma weapons which cut through anything like butter. Definitely Adeptus Astartes win.

 

[spartandude]

A Spartan would have trouble dealing with a Cadian Kasrkin

A Space Marine in power armor would crush a Spartan II easily.
Space Marines get more training.
Physically stronger
Much Better equipment
Just as agile, unless in terminater gear
Can have hundreds of years of exprience fighting different enemies

Granted an energy sword could possibly counter a Space Marine, if Spartan could get close enough, if the SM doesnt have a Power Sword and if the SM isnt able to merely grab him before he stabs.

 

[mrscott137]

Is there actually ANYTHING outside the WH40K universe that could beat an Astartes? As in, from an other game?

Aside from ridiculously large monsters or Gun Pieces (Lost planet 2 monsters, MAC cannons [which are just railguns anyway]) Astartes could beat most infantry in a fight.

 

[darthotaku]

Going with the astartes here. I doubt a spartan could even take on a tau crisis battle suit in a 1 on 1 shootout. It would be a lot less one sided but quite a few things in the warhammer40k universe could take down a spartan.

 

[Thaluikhain]

Depends on the author. If it's a marine story, the marine will win, after his friends get killed. If it's a spartan story, the spartan will win, after his friends get killed.

If it's a story about regular humans, the marines and spartans will be generic randoms waiting to get killed, if that.