Spartan Vs Astartes

[Magicman10893]

I just wanted to point out that in the Halo universe there are regular (as in, not genetically enhanced) soldiers that are dropped from orbit in a way that completely rips of Warhammer 40K, not to mention that the Chief and Noble 6 from Halo Reach (Noble 6 being a member of the inferior generation of Spartans) are both dropped from orbit with just their armor to protect them and survive just fine. The only problem suffered was Noble 6 lost his gun while falling from space.

EDIT: My two cents are that the Astartes would win 9 times out of 10. The only way I see a Spartan winning the fight is if the Spartan could manage to get in close enough to use the Energy Sword to cut through their armor. I assume that it would be able to cut through it because it is essentially a Lightsaber.

But this is wholly irrelevant because you can't compare the two universes. I mean, Warhammer is literally almost 35 thousand years ahead of Halo. Aside from technological dark ages, there is still at least 20+ thousand years of technological improvement over Halo. That would be like debating on who would win in a fight between a team of Green Beret/NAVY SEAL/SAS/Spetsnaz and a Samurai.

Problem is, even if the chief gets into melee combat with the marine, he still has to both hit him, and hit something vital. Other than straight decapitation, the marine is prtty much at a functional level of fighting.

Also in warhammer 40k there is an entire imperial guard division that specialises in lower orbit drops (these guys sometimes do in with nothing but a jump pack let alone being in a secure drop pod). The idea of the Space Marine drops is they ride alongside the lance and macro cannon battery strikes (i.e. they are literally fired at the planet at the same time as giant laser beams and they are directed at the exact same landing zone). That way they can clear the landing zone and provide cover for any anti-air defences.

My point was that being dropped from space in drop pods isn't really saying much considering they do that in the Halo universe too.

 

[Shanecooper]

I don't know, but that would be one hell of an episode of 'deadliest warrior'.

 

[kingcom]

I just wanted to point out that in the Halo universe there are regular (as in, not genetically enhanced) soldiers that are dropped from orbit in a way that completely rips of Warhammer 40K, not to mention that the Chief and Noble 6 from Halo Reach (Noble 6 being a member of the inferior generation of Spartans) are both dropped from orbit with just their armor to protect them and survive just fine. The only problem suffered was Noble 6 lost his gun while falling from space.

EDIT: My two cents are that the Astartes would win 9 times out of 10. The only way I see a Spartan winning the fight is if the Spartan could manage to get in close enough to use the Energy Sword to cut through their armor. I assume that it would be able to cut through it because it is essentially a Lightsaber.

But this is wholly irrelevant because you can't compare the two universes. I mean, Warhammer is literally almost 35 thousand years ahead of Halo. Aside from technological dark ages, there is still at least 20+ thousand years of technological improvement over Halo. That would be like debating on who would win in a fight between a team of Green Beret/NAVY SEAL/SAS/Spetsnaz and a Samurai.

Problem is, even if the chief gets into melee combat with the marine, he still has to both hit him, and hit something vital. Other than straight decapitation, the marine is prtty much at a functional level of fighting.

Also in warhammer 40k there is an entire imperial guard division that specialises in lower orbit drops (these guys sometimes do in with nothing but a jump pack let alone being in a secure drop pod). The idea of the Space Marine drops is they ride alongside the lance and macro cannon battery strikes (i.e. they are literally fired at the planet at the same time as giant laser beams and they are directed at the exact same landing zone). That way they can clear the landing zone and provide cover for any anti-air defences.

My point was that being dropped from space in drop pods isn't really saying much considering they do that in the Halo universe too.

My point was explaining that marine drops aren't just getting into a pod and using gravity to get you there.

 

[mackanmeost]

I don't know, but that would be one hell of an episode of 'deadliest warrior'.

+1

 

[spartandude]

On the other hand i believe Master Chief vs a Space Marine is a pure Spartan win.

why? the Chief is onyl special in that hes a good leader and hes lucky every now and then, but he cant luck the SM into suddenly imploding

 

[Zipa]

Space marine without a doubt unless its indrick boreale, that guy could fuck anthing up.

 

[O maestre]

Is there actually ANYTHING outside the WH40K universe that could beat an Astartes? As in, from an other game?

ask a star wars fan, he will give you an encyclopaedia of all the ways star wars beats everything..... despite the second bigger badder death star with no exposed ..exhaust port was beaten by ewoks.

 

[spartandude]

I don't know, but that would be one hell of an episode of 'deadliest warrior'.

+1

Nah theyd just F it up like they do every time

 

[somonels]

The Astartes do not require pansy shields, their ceramic armor withstands RPG fire, though they probably suffer from tinnitus afterwards.
Yes, the pedophile spartan might win over scouts, but they are basically first-week interns.

 

[Magicman10893]

I just wanted to point out that in the Halo universe there are regular (as in, not genetically enhanced) soldiers that are dropped from orbit in a way that completely rips of Warhammer 40K, not to mention that the Chief and Noble 6 from Halo Reach (Noble 6 being a member of the inferior generation of Spartans) are both dropped from orbit with just their armor to protect them and survive just fine. The only problem suffered was Noble 6 lost his gun while falling from space.

EDIT: My two cents are that the Astartes would win 9 times out of 10. The only way I see a Spartan winning the fight is if the Spartan could manage to get in close enough to use the Energy Sword to cut through their armor. I assume that it would be able to cut through it because it is essentially a Lightsaber.

But this is wholly irrelevant because you can't compare the two universes. I mean, Warhammer is literally almost 35 thousand years ahead of Halo. Aside from technological dark ages, there is still at least 20+ thousand years of technological improvement over Halo. That would be like debating on who would win in a fight between a team of Green Beret/NAVY SEAL/SAS/Spetsnaz and a Samurai.

Problem is, even if the chief gets into melee combat with the marine, he still has to both hit him, and hit something vital. Other than straight decapitation, the marine is prtty much at a functional level of fighting.

Also in warhammer 40k there is an entire imperial guard division that specialises in lower orbit drops (these guys sometimes do in with nothing but a jump pack let alone being in a secure drop pod). The idea of the Space Marine drops is they ride alongside the lance and macro cannon battery strikes (i.e. they are literally fired at the planet at the same time as giant laser beams and they are directed at the exact same landing zone). That way they can clear the landing zone and provide cover for any anti-air defences.

My point was that being dropped from space in drop pods isn't really saying much considering they do that in the Halo universe too.

My point was explaining that marine drops aren't just getting into a pod and using gravity to get you there.

Understandable. Can we agree though that both universes are somewhat equal on this particular matter? As far as armor, training, genetic augmentation and reflexes are still open for debate?

 

[Sojoez]

Is there actually ANYTHING outside the WH40K universe that could beat an Astartes? As in, from an other game?

ask a star wars fan, he will give you an encyclopaedia of all the ways star wars beats everything..... despite the second bigger badder death star with no exposed ..exhaust port was beaten by ewoks.

Ask a fan anything about his fandom vs another and you will get a biased opinion.

 

[Totenkopf]

If the Chief had the Halo-sniper rifle, he would win.
But this way it looks like the Space Marines are superior.

Whats the penetration of the Halo sniper rifle? If its not capable of punching tank armour its going to have a tough time doing anything to a marine.

I can't give you a 100% guarantee on that, but I'm pretty sure that the Halo 1 manual said that the sniper had some kind of wicked anti-matter bullets that can pierce through almost anything.
That's why I made that point up there ^

 

[SckizoBoy]

Master Chief vs Space Marine Brother Sergeant = no brainer, Master Chief
Master Chief vs Space Marine (with a Storm Shield) = both collapse with exhaustion after about a fortnight
Master Chief vs Space Marine Brother Captain = difficult, still Master Chief, methinks, but he'll be basically dead after the fight
Master Chief vs Space Marine Chaplain = as with Captain, except the other way around
Master Chief vs Space Marine Chapter Master = they'd probably both kill each other in a blink
Master Chief vs Primarch = no brainer, Primarch (okay, a little unfair)

Master Chief vs any Grey Knight = Grey Knight wins

The normal SM's have awesome armour that allows them the same dexterity, but Mjolnir is arguably better in that regard, though its protective properties aren't much compared to Tactical Dreadnought Armour. However, MC will kick the crap out of most normal marines but not officers due to the joy that is the Iron Halo/Storm Shield. Enter Grey Knights (who are still technically Astartes) and the picture changes 'cos they is got psyker abilities to ramp up their badassness to idiotic levels.

Master Chief in WH40K lore (probable):

WS BS S T W I A Ld Sv
6 6 4 3 3 6 4 10 2+ (4+ Inv)

Plus power weapon, hotshot lasgun/pistol, Fearless and a couple of other special rules that probably benefit more his squad than him. Against normal Captains/Chapter Masters, that'd be a right handful, but little to GK BC whose default weapons are just too nasty.

WS BS S T W I A Ld Sv
6 6 5 4 3 5 3 10 2+ (3+ Inv) (in CC after activating Hammerhand)

Plus force weapon, psybolt storm bolter, Aegis plus loads of other shit.

Feel free to argue at your leisure.

 

[Daverson]

From what I gather (I've only played the first Halo, and that was some time ago) the Spartans mainly use an assault rifle with an intermediate caliber (so, something like 5,56x45)

Now, the Astartes equivilent to this would be the the Bolter, a .75 calibre (~20mm) fully automatic gyrojet rifle.

Now, for those who don't know, here's some comparative scaling:

That little one, that's 5,56 round. That big one, that's a 20mm, the bit to the left is the warhead from that. (it's a gyrojet, to quote Cave Johnson, "plus we shoot the whole bullet, that's 65% more bullet per bullet!")

 

[Evil mr dave]

Astartes.

They make Spartans look like toy soldiers. I don't know the armour penetrating capabilities of an energy sword, but the assault rifle would do very little to Astartes plate.

In the novels they describe the energy sword as being able to cut through the titanium plating on starships, so ima say ap 1.

 

[ScoopMeister]

funny i thought ultimate showdown of ultimate destiny threads weren't allowed...

irrelevant, as astartes armour is powered (think iron man or fallout powered armour), an astartes is just as agile with the armour as they would be without (in fact they'd probably be more agile as it increases their already progidious strength)

Strength and agility are completely different things mate. So adding armour makes them tougher, but heavier. So less agile. Regardless of the extra strength, the Chief is still much more agile.

 

[Evil mr dave]

From what I gather (I've only played the first Halo, and that was some time ago) the Spartans mainly use an assault rifle with an intermediate caliber (so, something like 5,56x45)

Now, the Astartes equivilent to this would be the the Bolter, a .75 calibre (~20mm) fully automatic gyrojet rifle.

Now, for those who don't know, here's some comparative scaling:

That little one, that's 5,56 round. That big one, that's a 20mm, the bit to the left is the warhead from that. (it's a gyrojet, to quote Cave Johnson, "plus we shoot the whole bullet, that's 65% more bullet per bullet!")

The halo assault rifle uses 7.62x51 mm ammo, which would still be pretty much useless against space marine armour, but the pistol and sword would fair better.

 

[tris4992]

Chief. He's actually genetically modified.
Space Marines are only elite humans.

Uhm ... you're just a wee bit wrong there. And with wee I mean quite a bit, And with quite a bit I mean a considerable amount. I think you get the point.

 

[Caliostro]

Chief. He's actually genetically modified.
Space Marines are only elite humans.

Wrong.

Space Marines are elite humans genetically and cybernatically modified to become super human weapons. They're not even considered human anymore.

@OP It's a stupid question. The power scale on the Halo and Warhammer 40k universe is completely different. Halo is "a little over the top". Warhammer 40k is "absurdly over the top". Pitted against each other it's not even a fight. There's nothing in the Halo universe that even poses a threat to a WH:40K Astartes.

I just realised that the OP said "astartes".

He never specifically stated "Space Marine", for all we know it could be a Space Marine, Scout, Terminator, Apothecary, Techmarine, Force Commander, Chaplain, Librarian, Devastator or even one of the Primarchs.

All of those are part of the Adeptus Astartes.

Wrong. Adeptus Astartes is the "official" name of what people colloquially refer to as Space Marines. It's exactly the same thing. What you're confusing is the specialist branches. Chaplain, Librarian and Apothecary are specialist branches of the Astartes. They're still Adeptus Astartes. They're still Space Marines. They're still angels of death. Just specialize in different areas.

Scout and Devastator refer to squad types. Different squads of space marines. Still Adeptus Astartes/Space Marines.

Terminator refer to elite space marines that earn the right to use the most elite armor available in the Warhammer 40k world: Terminator Armor. Still Space Marines.

Force Commander is the "name" given to the main character of Dawn of War II. His actual rank is Captain. Also a Space Marine/Astartes.

A Primarch isn't an Adeptus Astartes. It's a Primarch. It's a completely different thing entirely. Primarchs are basically demigods. They're far above even the most elite of Astartes. The only force in the Imperium that even comes remotely close to the power of a Primarch is the Adeptus Custodes, personal guard of the emperor's golden throne.

Besides, it doesn't matter. Even the most basic Astartes is way more powerful than anything in Halo. It's a completely different universe with a completely different power scale. Even a librarian would look at a Spartan the same way a bulldozer looks at a remote controlled toy car with a water pistol.

A closer fight might be Spartans vs. Battle Sisters (Adepta Sororitas), or against the Imperial Guard... But even that would be fighting a losing battle... Just not as pathetically one sided.