Spider-Man Producer Says No Marvel Crossovers Are Coming

[Zontar]

Sony needs to admit defeat now and offer to sell the rights to Spidey back for a decent sum. Marvel will happily pay it. If they insist on milking the Spidey franchise like this, they'll eventually run the property so deep into the ground that they'll have to beg Marvel to take it back.

Sony doesn't have the money to afford to do that. With how things are going with all their subdivisions (PlayStation being an obvious exception), they NEED the reliable, safe revenue stream the movies will bring. And even if they didn't, Marvel as a company is only worth 4 billion in total, the amount they would need to get the rights back is far too much for them to feasibly do. The only way Marvel is getting the rights back is if either Sony milks it for all it's worth, then sells it for a high-but-reasonable price when it can't bring in enough money to justify keeping it (so at the very soonest after the Sinister Six and Venom movies), or until they milk it for all it's worth, and then when it stops being profitable they just stop making movies, and they let the licence expire and automatically return to Marvel (though in this case they would probably pull another reboot out of their ass a moment before it happens... again).

 

[Ieyke]

And even if they didn't, Marvel as a company is only worth 4 billion in total, the amount they would need to get the rights back is far too much for them to feasibly do.

LOL
No.

Marvel WAS worth 4 billion dollars BEFORE they utterly conquered Hollywood.

Now they're owned by the gods damned Walt Disney Company, which has the spare change to go buying up the likes of Star Wars, Marvel, Indiana Jones, Pixar, Lucasfilm, and gods know what else.

If Marvel wants its rights to Spider-Man back, they can get it without much trouble. Nothing so pitiful as Sony's Spider-Man movies would deter them.

 

[Hairless Mammoth]

He sounds like that greedy kid that want's to play with the few same old toys he's got alone instead of joining the group and having a better experience with everyone sharing. They could make the final movie in the Spidey Cash Grab trilogy while loaning him out and letting Andrew Garfield sign a contract with Marvel to do small parts in an Avengers Movie or 2. They might be hurting financially but with smart scheduling, could make their crappy Spidey movies while banking on the character rights with almost no effort.

As much as I'd love to see Wolverine trading snark with Tony Stark, the X-men kinda do belong in their own universe. The world-wide mutant phenomenon won't make sense if the 2 franchises just meet up after all the MCU has been through without mention of any mutants. First Class at least brought X-Men back to the top-tier. Hopefully Days of Future Past can do well while mixing with the poorer films in the series.

Now Fantastic Four on the other hand needs a some sort of tie in, unless that reboot kicks an surprising amount of ass. I don't know how Fox execs feel about it, but they should very humble with a franchise that they feel had to be rebooted after 2 movies. The Edward Norton Hulk film at least did good on it's own after the Ang Lee weirdness that came before it. (It helps that they glanced over retconned origins in quick flashbacks to differentiate the 2 films.)

Now they're owned by the gods damned Walt Disney Company, which has the spare change to go buying up the likes of Star Wars, Marvel, Indiana Jones, Pixar, Lucasfilm, and gods know what else.

If Marvel wants its rights to Spider-Man back, they can get it without much trouble. Nothing so pitiful as Sony's Spider-Man movies would deter them.

Yeah, it's just too bad Disney would rather cash in on the nostalgia of other zombie franchises instead of first buying back the dying ones that could use a boost from one of their most successful franchises.

 

[Zontar]

And even if they didn't, Marvel as a company is only worth 4 billion in total, the amount they would need to get the rights back is far too much for them to feasibly do.

LOL
No.

Marvel WAS worth 4 billion dollars BEFORE they utterly conquered Hollywood.

Now they're owned by the gods damned Walt Disney Company, which has the spare change to go buying up the likes of Star Wars, Marvel, Indiana Jones, Pixar, Lucasfilm, and gods know what else.

If Marvel wants its rights to Spider-Man back, they can get it without much trouble. Nothing so pitiful as Sony's Spider-Man movies would deter them.

The Spider Man movies rack in hundreds of millions each for Sony, so at the very least they would need well over a billion to get the rights back from Sony. No amount of performance at the box office will make that a viable move, since they have to answer to investors and Disney corporate, and there's no way they can argue that they could make that type of money back with such an investment.

 

[PuckFuppet]

Having seen the new Spidey film, it wasn't actually that bad. In fact if you're willing to watch it first and form an opinion later it is actually quite good. This is coming from someone who outright despised the first Amazing Spidey.

Avi Arad is honestly not far off when he says that they don't need it any sort of larger cross-over, as long as they can populate their Spidey verse with a few interesting supporting characters who outright aren't villains (new film cut the list down a bit in that regard) then it could actually be pretty good. Plus for the first time in a while I went to a film about a super hero... and I got a film about a super hero. He has issues, which he gets over and then punches crime in the face.

 

[TristanBelmont]

You know, this would be less laughable if it weren't so sad.
Seriously, those Amazing Spider-Man movies are garbage.
Give the rights back to Marvel Studios already.

 

[PuckFuppet]

You know, this would be less laughable if it weren't so sad.
Seriously, those Amazing Spider-Man movies are garbage.
Give the rights back to Marvel Studios already.

What did you think of the clocktower scene in the new one? Besides "where did that conveniently period clock tower come from?".

 

[Ieyke]

And even if they didn't, Marvel as a company is only worth 4 billion in total, the amount they would need to get the rights back is far too much for them to feasibly do.

LOL
No.

Marvel WAS worth 4 billion dollars BEFORE they utterly conquered Hollywood.

Now they're owned by the gods damned Walt Disney Company, which has the spare change to go buying up the likes of Star Wars, Marvel, Indiana Jones, Pixar, Lucasfilm, and gods know what else.

If Marvel wants its rights to Spider-Man back, they can get it without much trouble. Nothing so pitiful as Sony's Spider-Man movies would deter them.

The Spider Man movies rack in hundreds of millions each for Sony, so at the very least they would need well over a billion to get the rights back from Sony. No amount of performance at the box office will make that a viable move, since they have to answer to investors and Disney corporate, and there's no way they can argue that they could make that type of money back with such an investment.

Actually, no. That's easy. They could offset that almost immediately with, say, Avengers 2.
Avengers 1 made 1.5 billion dollars.
Iron Man 3 made 1.2 billion.
Winter Soldier has already made over half a billion dollars and it has only been out for 2 weeks.
Avengers 2 is going to be even bigger.

Amazing Spider-Man only made $700 million.
Sony's efforts are small potatoes.

Marvel could easily get back the Spider-Man rights, and Disney's wallet would never notice.

 

[The Night Shade]

The funny thing is that by not doing crossovers they are turning away piles and piles of easy cash. Look make a deal with marvel make spidey show up in a few scenes in the avengers 2 or other marvel movies and viceversa and people will go to see the spiderman movies looking for other marvel characters.

 

[Jacco]

Fuck Avi Arad. That ************ ruined my favorite superhero when he thought it would be funny to make Spiderman 3. Now he's acting like a 3 year old that doesn't want to share his toys. What a tool.

 

[Grimh]

This is about as chocking to me as the news, that Guardians of the Galaxy were going to be tying into the overall MCU, that was posted a few days ago.

Wut.
A few days ago?
Shocking?

How did you not know that?

I've known that for years.... Literally from the moment that there were rumors that a Guardians movie was getting made.
And it was obvious even without them saying anything....Marvel only has one universe in the movies. Everything they do is connected.

I thought the sarcasm of that statement was obvious.
Evidently it was not.
I apologize, I shuold have worded it better.

 

[Hemingslay]

It's a good thing copyright laws exist to protect the interests of artists, creators and innovators. And not to, say, allow massive media conglomerates to desperately hold lucrative properties hostage.

Because really, the works that are numbly churned out to satisfy the bare minimum for retaining license ownership--those are the ones history remembers.

 

[Zontar]

And even if they didn't, Marvel as a company is only worth 4 billion in total, the amount they would need to get the rights back is far too much for them to feasibly do.

LOL
No.

Marvel WAS worth 4 billion dollars BEFORE they utterly conquered Hollywood.

Now they're owned by the gods damned Walt Disney Company, which has the spare change to go buying up the likes of Star Wars, Marvel, Indiana Jones, Pixar, Lucasfilm, and gods know what else.

If Marvel wants its rights to Spider-Man back, they can get it without much trouble. Nothing so pitiful as Sony's Spider-Man movies would deter them.

The Spider Man movies rack in hundreds of millions each for Sony, so at the very least they would need well over a billion to get the rights back from Sony. No amount of performance at the box office will make that a viable move, since they have to answer to investors and Disney corporate, and there's no way they can argue that they could make that type of money back with such an investment.

Actually, no. That's easy. They could offset that almost immediately with, say, Avengers 2.
Avengers 1 made 1.5 billion dollars.
Iron Man 3 made 1.2 billion.
Winter Soldier has already made over half a billion dollars and it has only been out for 2 weeks.
Avengers 2 is going to be even bigger.

Amazing Spider-Man only made $700 million.
Sony's efforts are small potatoes.

Marvel could easily get back the Spider-Man rights, and Disney's wallet would never notice.

The price tag would be at least in the billions (we're talking long-term potential here), and there's no way in hell the stock owners would green light such a purchase, even if they could afford it (which would actually require Disney to step in. That 1.5 billion they made from the Avengers isn't 1.5 billion in profit). That, coupled with the fact that Sony is in a financial state where they wouldn't sell the licences for even a reasonable price (remember, Marvel can't even afford buying at a reasonable price) and you end up with it being a pipedream to believe Marvel will get the rights back any time soon.

 

[Atary77]

Sony and 20th Century Fox can only hold out so long before the folks at Disney want to reacquire the film rights to the IP's that they own now. If Marvel Studios was still independent, Sony and Fox could probably keep doing this song and dance for a while. However since Marvel now has Disney behind their backs, and the money they could make from getting the X-Men and Spidey into the MCU, it's only a matter of time before Sony and Fox have to let go of the rights.

I give it five more years.

 

[Ieyke]

5 years seems high. I give it 3.
2017 will be Thor 3 and Avengers 3, Ant-Man and Doctor Strange will be out, Chris Evans and RDJ's contracts will have both run out, so Captain America and Iron Man are both going to take a hit. So, unless they can extend those contracts, Marvel will be looking for more big name heroes to serve as their tent poles for the series while they regain momentum with Iron Man's and Cap's new actors. Right now, Marvel's looking at Doctor Strange to take Iron Man's place as the primary badass....and no one is real sure how that would actually pan out.

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The price tag would be at least in the billions

A billion, maybe. Disney bought Star Wars for 4 billion. Spider-Man is nothing compared to Star Wars.

which would actually require Disney to step in.

Marvel and Disney are the same company now.

That 1.5 billion they made from the Avengers isn't 1.5 billion in profit

You're right. Only 1.3 billion dollars of that was profit. It's only ALMOST all profit.

That, coupled with the fact that Sony is in a financial state where they wouldn't sell the licences for even a reasonable price

Disney has the money to buy Sony Pictures Entertainment as a whole.

remember, Marvel can't even afford buying at a reasonable price

Marvel could. But they don't need to. They have Disney's wallet.

and you end up with it being a pipedream to believe Marvel will get the rights back any time soon.

If they don't get the rights back soon, it's only because they've elected not to.

 

[Zontar]

5 years seems high. I give it 3.
2017 will be Thor 3 and Avengers 3, Ant-Man and Doctor Strange will be out, Chris Evans and RDJ's contracts will have both run out, so Captain America and Iron Man are both going to take a hit. So, unless they can extend those contracts, Marvel will be looking for more big name heroes to serve as their tent poles for the series while they regain momentum with Iron Man's and Cap's new actors. Right now, Marvel's looking at Doctor Strange to take Iron Man's place as the primary badass....and no one is real sure how that would actually pan out.

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The price tag would be at least in the billions

A billion, maybe. Disney bought Star Wars for 4 billion. Spider-Man is nothing compared to Star Wars.

which would actually require Disney to step in.

Marvel and Disney are the same company now.

That 1.5 billion they made from the Avengers isn't 1.5 billion in profit

You're right. Only 1.3 billion dollars of that was profit. It's only ALMOST all profit.

That, coupled with the fact that Sony is in a financial state where they wouldn't sell the licences for even a reasonable price

Disney has the money to buy Sony Pictures Entertainment as a whole.

remember, Marvel can't even afford buying at a reasonable price

Marvel could. But they don't need to. They have Disney's wallet.

and you end up with it being a pipedream to believe Marvel will get the rights back any time soon.

If they don't get the rights back soon, it's only because they've elected not to.

Only 1 billion? Are you kidding me? That's less then the predictable box office for the two movies they have in production. I'd estimate 3.5 billion conservative given the future potential.

And no, Marvel and Disney are not one-and-the-same, Marvel is a limited liability corporation of Disney, which means that Marvel needs to stand on its own financially.

For the box office, it's more complicated then that. Because of how the industry works, 50% to Disney, and 10% stayed in the theaters. At best their net profit was 380,000,000 for Marvel, which again is set up as an independent limited liability corporation.

As for Disney buying Sony, don't make me laugh, Sony has almost double the total assets Disney does, and that's on top of the fact such a buyout would be blocked by the Japanese government.

Back to Marvel, no, they couldn't. Despite the success of their cinematic universe, they are FAR from having the funds to pull off such a deal, and Disney does not exist to be their bottomless pit. If Disney gives them a dollar to do something, they expect to get 2 dollars back out of it. As it stands, that is not economically possible, so the shareholders and suits would never allow it.

As much as it is a disappointment, the status quo is in the best interests of all the companies involved from a monetary point of view, at least as far as licence owning is concerned.

 

[Flunk]

Ghost Rider: Spirit of Vengeance and Bratz: The Movie

That says a lot doesn't it? Also, Ghost Rider IS a Marvel Property.

 

[lastjustice]

I don't feel that everything needs to be crossovered with each other anyways. Crossover for sake of crossover does always mean a great story. (Secret wars.) I prefer X-over with a purpose. X-men is a universe that always felt like should be kept to itself as the moment you have supers that public loves with the Avengers, and mutants in same setting, the entire mutant analogy falls apart. I am glad I don't have Spiderman or Wolverine cluttering up the Avengers line up, and forced marvel dig deeper than their go to cash cows. If Marvel had both of them still, Ant Man and Dr strange would probably be like phase 5 before they'd see the light of day.(Hell Thor might been pushed back to like Phase 2.)I have enjoyed the Xmen experience for most part , and I applaud them not doing a full on reboot even when parts of it didn't work out the best. They took a page from the comics, and retcon what is needed to, and continue going forward. (If comics rebooted everytime a mistake was made, then we'd never see stories go anywhere.)

Spiderman is a solo act with commit issues at the end of the day. I think if they had him doing a number of marvel team up films, that be cool but putting him on as a full fledged Avenger...I'll pass. Him being kept out of Marvel's hands has probably done more good than harm to the MCU. It's a small price to pay.


The only property I want to see Marvel get back soon is Fantastic Four. Which if this reboot crashes and burns like I hope (or dies a silent death in development hell, which would be for the best.) is probably most likely property to come back to Marvel. Doom and the whole cosmic scene would greatly benefit the MCU. The Fantastic Four reboot needs be like amazing...beyond that even like the second coming to justify the continued separation of the property from the possible stories we can get from it coming back. This only thing I feel truly would benefit Marvel to get back.

For those thinking Marvel needs work with Fox or Sony...Why would they? It would only prolong them getting back their properties. It benefits neither sides long term goals. I see both sony and Fox hanging on to the main IPs as long as they can. We might eventually see a MCU reboot 50 years from now where Spiderman and Wolverine are on the Avengers...it's not going be with the current batch of films.