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Spiderman 3: Why did it fail?
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It will turn out to fallow this saying
Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me
I'm gonna have to go with the majority here and say it was because they tried to cram too much crap in. Venom is so complex it deserves a whole movie unto itself. And why did the symbiote make Pete emoish? It increased aggressiveness, not the desire to wear eye liner.
The only reason I liked it is because i knew the sandman was a ''good guy''
Not many great sequels get to four.
Not many great sequels get to four.
Because it wanted emotional responses from the audience that it hadn't earned, and in some cases, made very little sense. Because many things happened because they had to happen that way for something else to happen later on, not because they flowed organically from the plot and characters. (Peter is getting the bejeezus beaten out of him because we want the audience to feel good about Harry coming in to save him. Peter kisses Gwen (and, yes, the stupid dance sequence) because we want to set up a gratuitous tension-and-reconciliation. Sandman has a daughter so we don't completely shoot smoke out of our ears when Peter freaking lets him go. Peter is overtaken by the Symbiote so we're not supposed to blame him for blowing half of Harry's face off, and Brock essentially throws himself at a grenade so we're not supposed to blame Peter for killing him. (And given the ridiculous amounts of abuse every super-powered character takes, it's almost hard to believe that he gets killed off so easily and stupidly.))
You can go macro or micro on this one. If you want to pull way back, there were too many elements of both plot and character that too many forces involved in the movie wanted shoehorned into it to please x,y, and z. Zoom in close, and you can pretty much label where various scenes fail.
At the risk of backtracking, I don't think Spiderman 3 is exactly the epic horror of moviemaking some would make it out to be. It was just not nearly as good as the first two, and profoundly unsatisfying to walk out of at the end. (Add your own joke about it being more satisfying to walk out of at the middle.)
You've definitely got a problem, though, when the thing someone like me is thinking about as he leaves is not the awesome spectacle or the humanity of the characters but, "It's okay... I understand... Go on your way, *incredibly powerful supervillain* GAHHH!"
You can go macro or micro on this one. If you want to pull way back, there were too many elements of both plot and character that too many forces involved in the movie wanted shoehorned into it to please x,y, and z. Zoom in close, and you can pretty much label where various scenes fail.
At the risk of backtracking, I don't think Spiderman 3 is exactly the epic horror of moviemaking some would make it out to be. It was just not nearly as good as the first two, and profoundly unsatisfying to walk out of at the end. (Add your own joke about it being more satisfying to walk out of at the middle.)
You've definitely got a problem, though, when the thing someone like me is thinking about as he leaves is not the awesome spectacle or the humanity of the characters but, "It's okay... I understand... Go on your way, *incredibly powerful supervillain* GAHHH!"
i heard the # of villans was off. 3. oh that's funny, i thought there were two, harry osbourne doesn't count, he's just a whiney ***** who got some social problems when he stumbled across his dad's secret gun closet.
yes, the director, whoever the hell he is, i'm too lazy to google it, he put too much screen time on emo due tobey mcguire. yes, we get it, he's an asshole who's full of himself because he's been snorting alien cum too much, we get it. we want to see him fight or make explosions or something. and from a fanboy's point-of-veiw, what they should done was have a scene where inside peter parkers' mind, he has a fight with the symbiotes' conscience/manifested alien cum and he can only win if he knows what he's fighting for, something sappy with a moral and what not.
i also hear that the plot was too confusing. to them i say FUCK you, this isn't heavy metal (1981) this isn't one of those movies where you should be getting high to. put the dope down and listen to what peter parker is saying to mary jane, our latest intel suggests that we have reason to believe it's related to the fucking plot of the movie.
in conclusion, this movie proved to me that you can't take a comic book story arc (like one of those plots that takes 3-5 graphic novels to cover and condense it all to make it a movie for the sake of making money. instead, take the plot from one of the cartoon episodes and fill it with plot devices, character development, etc. and work from that, that way you'll make a good movie, make money, and you won't upset the millions of fanboys on the internet waiting to slit your throat and drag your intestines out through the new hole in your throat just because you messed up one small detail.
yes, the director, whoever the hell he is, i'm too lazy to google it, he put too much screen time on emo due tobey mcguire. yes, we get it, he's an asshole who's full of himself because he's been snorting alien cum too much, we get it. we want to see him fight or make explosions or something. and from a fanboy's point-of-veiw, what they should done was have a scene where inside peter parkers' mind, he has a fight with the symbiotes' conscience/manifested alien cum and he can only win if he knows what he's fighting for, something sappy with a moral and what not.
i also hear that the plot was too confusing. to them i say FUCK you, this isn't heavy metal (1981) this isn't one of those movies where you should be getting high to. put the dope down and listen to what peter parker is saying to mary jane, our latest intel suggests that we have reason to believe it's related to the fucking plot of the movie.
in conclusion, this movie proved to me that you can't take a comic book story arc (like one of those plots that takes 3-5 graphic novels to cover and condense it all to make it a movie for the sake of making money. instead, take the plot from one of the cartoon episodes and fill it with plot devices, character development, etc. and work from that, that way you'll make a good movie, make money, and you won't upset the millions of fanboys on the internet waiting to slit your throat and drag your intestines out through the new hole in your throat just because you messed up one small detail.
I'm one of those slow movie goers that doesn't pick up stuff the first go (or second... or third, if Star Wars Episode 1 was any indication... I never noticed that stuff before that review movie... thing), so I'll have to watch it again to see where stuff was messed up.
Though yes, Venom was definitely forced into the movie, and Topher Grace was the wrong person to play him.
Though yes, Venom was definitely forced into the movie, and Topher Grace was the wrong person to play him.
1) Emo peter parker
2) To many plots that were not tied together well
3) Iron Monger had more screen time then Venom.
2) To many plots that were not tied together well
3) Iron Monger had more screen time then Venom.
Venom is one of my favourite villains in Spiderman, second only to Mysterio. Why they haven't cast him in a movie yet is baffling, especially choosing the Vulture and *scoff* the Vulturess over him.
But that goddamn dance scene in Spiderman 3 is a big reason. The writing too I suppose.
Anyway in Spiderman 4 they need to not fuck with the Black Cat. I've been waiting for her forever, along with Mysterio, and now they're destroying her character because they're idiots.
But that goddamn dance scene in Spiderman 3 is a big reason. The writing too I suppose.
Anyway in Spiderman 4 they need to not fuck with the Black Cat. I've been waiting for her forever, along with Mysterio, and now they're destroying her character because they're idiots.
If they had focused on Venom alone and the epic inner struggle of a truly evil force then it would have worked. They juggled to many balls with not enough skill and fell flat. Oh and of course the obligatory Tobey MaGuire is the worst actor I have ever seen.
I dont know why people hate this movie so much.
When I first saw it, there was never a part that I wasn't entertained.
Even peter crying like a whiny ***** wasn't that bad.
Yes they did have too much in the movie at one time.
The studio forced Venom on Sam ramie when he wanted to wait one more movie to establish the character more, but all the same he made it work, and only he could have done so.
So please people just stop whining like peter and enjoy the movie.
When I first saw it, there was never a part that I wasn't entertained.
Even peter crying like a whiny ***** wasn't that bad.
Yes they did have too much in the movie at one time.
The studio forced Venom on Sam ramie when he wanted to wait one more movie to establish the character more, but all the same he made it work, and only he could have done so.
So please people just stop whining like peter and enjoy the movie.
Ahh yes you're right, I must have been thinking of the comics....(crap, time for a distraction!)theironbat46 said:Gwen Stacy didn't die, and I was wondering, what does -snip- mean?ChromeAlchemist said:But of course writing isn't without overall intent or motive. I personally think that Spiderman 3 failed miserably because it tried to please everyone. They tried to cater to the comic crowd with Venom, the emotional crowd with the constant crying, the emo/(insert social group here) crowd with the symbiotic suit making him flamboyant as hell, and then there's the comedy...Oh Sam...theironbat46 said:
What we were left with was two and a half villains, none of which got enough screen time to please anyone and one of which was crying like a *****, Peter also crying like a little ***** where it's not wanted nor needed, Gwen Stacy dying for no reason, and the single most hideously cringe-worthy scene I've ever seen in film (you know what I mean...oh fine, here:
)
Now the question you asked is how they could better Spiderman 4. Black Cat as a love interest/antagonist, and Silver Sable as the overall antagonist. Job done.
Failing that, replace Silver Sable with Bruce Campbell as Kraven The Hunter, but I'd prefer Sable.
P.S. I mean Ultimate Silver Sable [http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/6060/172620-7257-113591-1-ultimate-spider-man_super.jpg]. In fact she could deal with the unmasking of Spider-Man, and that could be a good way to showcase a new Parker if Maguire doesn't come back.
Oh god! Gwen's dead! Why god? Why? Etc.
Anyway..."snip" is when someone shortens someone's quote to reduce clutter and not scare people away from their post with a stack of words and quotes. It's also to show that you aren't tampering with someone's post either, just shortening it to what you want to emphasise.
And if Gwen didn't die, then did her dad? Did I just forget a chunk of Spiderman 3, or did I block that much of it from my mind?
I forgot to mention, 2007 was a horrible year for sequels. Shrek 3, FF: Silver Surfer, SM3. Bad tide probablly. I liked Topher Grace as Venom, but if they have to replace him, Scott Spedman. He looks like a buff Topher Grace. Watch The Strangers. The one with the couple and the people in the mask.
No actually, the only person who died was Harry. Yes Venom was exploded in the end, but do you really think he is dead?ChromeAlchemist said:Ahh yes you're right, I must have been thinking of the comics....(crap, time for a distraction!)theironbat46 said:Gwen Stacy didn't die, and I was wondering, what does -snip- mean?ChromeAlchemist said:But of course writing isn't without overall intent or motive. I personally think that Spiderman 3 failed miserably because it tried to please everyone. They tried to cater to the comic crowd with Venom, the emotional crowd with the constant crying, the emo/(insert social group here) crowd with the symbiotic suit making him flamboyant as hell, and then there's the comedy...Oh Sam...theironbat46 said:
What we were left with was two and a half villains, none of which got enough screen time to please anyone and one of which was crying like a *****, Peter also crying like a little ***** where it's not wanted nor needed, Gwen Stacy dying for no reason, and the single most hideously cringe-worthy scene I've ever seen in film (you know what I mean...oh fine, here:
)
Now the question you asked is how they could better Spiderman 4. Black Cat as a love interest/antagonist, and Silver Sable as the overall antagonist. Job done.
Failing that, replace Silver Sable with Bruce Campbell as Kraven The Hunter, but I'd prefer Sable.
P.S. I mean Ultimate Silver Sable [http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/6060/172620-7257-113591-1-ultimate-spider-man_super.jpg]. In fact she could deal with the unmasking of Spider-Man, and that could be a good way to showcase a new Parker if Maguire doesn't come back.
Oh god! Gwen's dead! Why god? Why? Etc.
Anyway..."snip" is when someone shortens someone's quote to reduce clutter and not scare people away from their post with a stack of words and quotes. It's also to show that you aren't tampering with someone's post either, just shortening it to what you want to emphasise.
And if Gwen didn't die, then did her dad? Did I just forget a chunk of Spiderman 3, or did I block that much of it from my mind?