Splinter Cell Blacklist: I'm done.

[paislyabmj]

The reason I loved hitman blood money as much as I do is that I could very easily go through the levels in a manner that would make a Ritalin popping 14 year old hooked up to mw3 look subtle by comparison.In the same game a levels that would let me win by poisoning doughnuts,putting ether on panties,sedating yappy terriers and stealing a necklace by being "taken upstairs" by the wife of a man I just murdered.As long as I can have my stupidly convoluted stealth solutions then absolution can include as many nun battering routes as it wants and its fine by me.

never been a splinter cell fan but blacklist hardly looks promising so I don't think ill look into it.might pick up the pc version chaos theory one of these days as it is so highly acclaimed and I don't really have much of a backlog.

 

[Cyrus Hanley]

They already explained why Michael Ironside isn't returning to voice Sam.

Which is not a very good reason.

I know it isn't.

What would you rather have: arguably the most recognisable part of your series by this point, or mildly better lip-sync?

The former.

They already explained why Michael Ironside isn't returning to voice Sam.

Aye, but if that reasoning was legit, EVERY mocap actor would also have to be the voice actor for any given character.

That could very well be the case in this game.

I know Andy Serkis likes to play it that way, but other than him it seems to be a pretty weak argument.

Well that seems to be their main argument. :-/

 

[PBMcNair]

Even Chaos Theory featured 2 trainee Splinter Cells who were being trained for the purpose of replacing Sam. Whatever happened to that?

My money would be on Sam killing them at some point in Conviction. Downside of being a nameless, faceless soldier I guess.

 

[Luke3184]

And the first two seconds were so promising...

 

[baddude1337]

It's a shame. Ghost Recon: Future Solider actually has more stealth than Splinter Cell now.

 

[Wayneguard]

It sounds so wrong when this Sam speaks.

 

[Chairman Miaow]

It's saddening. I always loved it that in the first game you weren't even allowed to kill anybody until like the 6th mission. And now this?

 

[Krantos]

Why they didn't just add in a new character and have Sam being in the background giving out orders while stemming the political tide is beyond me.

This.

I think the problem a lot series have is they think they need to have the same Main character every game. Same is old, he's been through hell. I think he's earned a rest. Let Ironside do Sam as the new Lambert and have the new guy be the younger protege. Hell, that right there opens a whole new set of story tropes you can use.


On the gameplay side...

All I'll say is I'm tired of series trying to be Call of Duty when they don't need to be. Ghost Recon: FS was another great example. The campaign could have been great if they'd allowed both stealthy and action focused approaches to most encounters. They could even still keep the forced stealth sections. The game was great when it was doing that. Instead they routinely stuck you in forced gunfights and gunner sections that just didn't work as well. When I'm controlling a walking mech that shoots mortars and missiles and I'm LESS engaged than when I was sneaking around ordering my squad to take people out, something has gone wrong.

It's possible this game will be alright, but I'm expecting it to just be another third person shooter.

"The Sam Fisher you knew is dead."

Yes, Vic. Yes he is.

 

[Krantos]

Granted, that didn't work out so well in Metal Gear Solid 2. People want to continue to be Sam or Snake, not Raiden or Lt. New Face 4th Echelon.

The problem with Raiden wasn't that he wasn't Snake. It's that he was Raiden.

If you make your character a whiny bastard, people aren't going to like him.

Take Assassin's Creed 1 and 2. People loved Altair. People loved Ezio. If you make the new character interesting and make people want to play them, they won't care that it's a different character.

 

[Drummie666]

Oh fucking hell I thought that Beland was done here, but noooo, Ubi doesn't seem to understand that putting a man who doesn't understand how a slow-paced, tense stealth game can be fun, on what is supposed to be a slow-paced, tense stealth game, is an absolutely, horrifically terrible idea.

My god Ubi, what the hell is wrong with you?

 

[Skuffyshootster]

...or for that matter Hitman: Absolution?...

In all fairness, the new E3 gameplay in Chinatown has restored my hope in Absolution. I'm upset Jesper Kyd isn't returning, though.

 

[The Last Nomad]

Looks like a good game, but maybe a bit too easy. No point in doing things stealthy if its easy just to run and gun. Reminds me of Alpha Protocol which was like a bad version of Splinter Cell.

This used to be my favourite series but other modern series (like Assassin's Creed) showed up and took over by being similar but better. They should really stop making this series.


EDIT: Also, Ubisoft have a reason you don't like it so far: http://www.vg247.com/2012/06/19/splinter-cell-blacklist-at-e3-you-have-to-go-with-something-explosive/

 

[Adam Jensen_v1legacy]

...or for that matter Hitman: Absolution?...

In all fairness, the new E3 gameplay in Chinatown has restored my hope in Absolution. I'm upset Jesper Kyd isn't returning, though.

He is working on Assassin's Creed 3 so it's all good.

 

[K84]

I'll give both Splinter Cell and Hitman a try, for nostalgia and for the stuff i saw on the E3 livestreams.

Change can be good sometimes, although i do agree, no Ironside is a bit weird.
Like someone doing Snake instead of Hayter....

 

[MeChaNiZ3D]

I think it looks like a pretty good game. Not a Splinter Cell game, but a good game nonetheless.

 

[Shocksplicer]

Today I watched this gameplay footage of the upcoming Splinter Cell Blacklist:

Spoiler

Suffice to say that I am done with Splinter Cell. I have, up until now, played every game in this series that has been released (apart from the portable installments). It has been one of my favourite series, and Chaos Theory is among my favourite games. My mates and I have even had some good times with the significantly less stealthy Conviction, despite it being nowhere near as good as the other installments.

But consider this the last straw. Running and Gunning, Zero Stealth and the ability to call in fucking AIR STRIKES?! Not to mention the fact that Michael Ironside, who has up till now been the voice of Sam in every game, has inexplicably been recast.

It's a sad state of affairs for my favourite pasttime when two of my favourite series (Splinter Cell and Hitman) have been dumbed down and needlessly meddled with to the point that they are now the exact same game, and it's not one I want to play.

What do you guys think? Will you be buying Splinter Cell Blacklist, or for that matter Hitman: Absolution? Do the changes bother you? Do you think they still look fun?

You watched a tiny bit of gameplay, so you call off the entire game.

I am sick of these posts. Play the finished game first before you starting whining.

And I'm sick of posts like these. I present valid reasons why I am disappointed in the new Splinter Cell, state my reasons why I am done with the series and somehow it's whining? my point was that Conviction was a step in the wrong direction and that Blacklist is clearly a step further in that wrong direction. If you don't have anything intelligent or relevant to say, piss off.

 

[Mr Companion]

Better yet most of what we have seen of Hitman Absolution is like a wannabe Conviction. All the old stealth games are now cover based third person shooters, I can't wait to see how Thief 4 is going to become a third person shooter but im sure they will manage somehow.

Also all great old strategy games must now be FPS because that sells well and investors love it.