(Spoilers) Mass Effect 3 Ending is Evil

[Monster_user]

And the ending convinces you otherwise?

As Animyr has pointed out, as well as indoc theorists, the ending falls apart under any scrutiny.

Indoctrination, illusions, deception, attempts to convert or to force choices on a player were foreshadowed. You were warned not to trust the Reapers, and by extension the Catalyst. You were warned not to trust what you see, or what you hear.

Whatever the ending is, there are far too many inconsistencies, logical fallacies, twisted logic, and it requires too great a suspension of disbelief. I'm not saying it is indoctrination, I'm just saying the catalyst can't be trusted, and the ending should not be taken at face value.

 

[Blachman201_v1legacy]

For what it was worth, the indoctrination theory was a neat little idea. But in the end it is all based on conjecture and the lingering remains of an old script that was ultimately dropped, and, well, it just implies a subtlety in writing that I do not want to attribute to Bioware.

 

[votemarvel]

As much as I find the current endings not to my taste, I think a "it was all a dream" would have been far worse.

The Indoctrination Theory is a nice and well thought out idea but I'm glad it wasn't used.

 

[Monster_user]

For what it was worth, the indoctrination theory was a neat little idea. But in the end it is all based on conjecture and the lingering remains of an old script that was ultimately dropped,

"Finally, if you?re one of the people that read all of the leaked plot points, Muzyka would like for you not to be a dick about it. ?Don?t spoil the story,? he emphasized."
http://www.psuni.com/bioware-open-to-tweaking-mass-effect-3-plot-after-story-leak-12371/

Make note of the "Don't spoil the story" part. That implies that while the ending was "tweaked", it wasn't completely rewritten. While this may have changed by the release, I don't think as much changed as you think.

and, well, it just implies a subtlety in writing that I do not want to attribute to Bioware.

Instead you would rather attribute them with such a gross mishandling of the ending?

The ending is so bad it has to be intentional. How else do you end up with unlimited ammo throughout the entire ending sequence, when there are only three bad guys to shoot? ???

Besides, I wouldn't call it subtle. The reason I am so passionate about it is because it feels like the entire series, especially the ending, smacks me upside the head with the notion, repeatedly. Far from subtle really...

As much as I find the current endings not to my taste, I think a "it was all a dream" would have been far worse.

In the typical usage of "It was all a dream", which is little different from time travel reset buttons (ST: Voyager: YoH), yeah that would be bad.

However in the Inception style "it's a dream", or the Matrix style "it isn't real", I think it actually could work. Because these events actually happened, they actually contribute to the plot, they actually matter.

While our hero in Inception gets a spinning top, we get a gun with unlimited ammo. Same basic concept, same basic purpose.

The Indoctrination Theory is a nice and well thought out idea but I'm glad it wasn't used.

I'm glad it wasn't used also.

The Indoc Theory is a misinterpretation of the endings. The Indoc folks see all of the same evidence, but have come to the wrong conclusion.

Some members of the community lept to this conclusion back when the first demo was released (The "AngryJoe Show" review of the demo, was what led me to accept the Indoc Theory early on.). Indoc theorists started with a conclusion (by jumping to conclusions), and are using the facts to prove that conclusion, rather than actually considering all of the facts objectively.

Capcha: "stay tuned"... Fitting...

 

[xamufam]

As much as I find the current endings not to my taste, I think a "it was all a dream" would have been far worse.

The Indoctrination Theory is a nice and well thought out idea but I'm glad it wasn't used.

It's likley indoctrination was planned based whats in the game but it would have played out differently
& indoctrination theory is based on that the real ending is a dlc
Caseys statement
"I didn't want the game to be forgettable," Hudson told Digital Trends.
"Even right down to the sort of polarising reaction that the ends have
had with people - debating what the endings mean and what's going to
happen next, and what situation are the characters left in."

"That to me is part of what's exciting about this story. There has
always been a little bit of mystery there and a little bit of
interpretation, and it's a story that people can talk about after the
fact."

More single-player content is coming however, and Hudson said that, like
other Mass Effect DLC, fan feedback will help shape its design.


Based on stuff in me 2 the finalhourapp & me3 script I there was supposed illusive man rurning into a reaper while shard struggle for control.

Harbinger was the guardian

they ascend only the worthy races

Leaked script shepard become one with the reapers were one ending
Speculation Original reason
part of an ending that got leaked after the release of me3 (don't know if it's the true ending)

You basically have a choice. You can submit to him and
he claims he will spare your squad and earth until the next cycle
because he is impressed that you were able to make it this far. This is
when the motive of the reapers is more clearly established. Harbinger
reveals that in the previous cycle, the prothean empire became too vast
and they began to control all the other races, which would have
prevented all of our races from developing. However, through more
discussion, Shepard can uncover their true motives. They fear that they
will be rivaled by something more powerful than they are (that this
cycle will create AI that can topple the reapers). This implies they are
merely fearful for their own survival and that is why they purge all
life but they convince themselves they are protecting us.

Either way, you can submit to him and save your people
or take your chances. Having 4000 EMS, not submitting to him you would
lose everyone, but still eventually get to the three choices we actually
got (more on this in a second). Having 5000+ and depending on how you
resolved conflicts between characters and races, certain people will
live or die.

After rejecting him (whether you lose everyone or not),
you end up in the area where vent boy was but hes not there. It's just
you and "Harbinger". He explains that a new solution is needed. The
solution he tries to convince you to take is merge (to perseve his
kind). But if you have high enough reputation once again, you can open
the control and destroy option. Harbinger tries to talk you out of it by
discussing how your races are divided and mentioning the geth incident.
You convince him otherwise, and it is at this point, the control option
opens next where he admits that shepard may have a perspective he never
considered. Harbinger tells Shepard that if he destroys them, the
relays will be destroyed as will the geth (which is true. This is the
only ending where the relays are destroyed).

 

[votemarvel]

As much as I find the current endings not to my taste, I think a "it was all a dream" would have been far worse.

In the typical usage of "It was all a dream", which is little different from time travel reset buttons (ST: Voyager: YoH), yeah that would be bad.

However in the Inception style "it's a dream", or the Matrix style "it isn't real", I think it actually could work. Because these events actually happened, they actually contribute to the plot, they actually matter.

While our hero in Inception gets a spinning top, we get a gun with unlimited ammo. Same basic concept, same basic purpose.

Perhaps it could have worked if it were included with the shipped game. However to have Indoctrination Theory be true but sell it, or even release it for free, as DLC would have been a slap in the face.

 

[Monsterfurby]

I kind of like the choices, especially with the "destroy synthetics" suggesting that Shepard is resisting the reaper manipulation (no weird eyes and starchild disappears immediately), and also because it's the "screw you, reapers" option.

It's just annoying that earlier one went to great lengths to first make the Geth accepted as sentient, and then again saving their life at a massive cost.

 

[Monster_user]

However in the Inception style "it's a dream", or the Matrix style "it isn't real", I think it actually could work. Because these events actually happened, they actually contribute to the plot, they actually matter.

Perhaps it could have worked if it were included with the shipped game.

What I am saying is that something similar was included in the original release.

Ignore the "Indoctrination Theory", it is wrong. There is something going on, but it is something else.

It's just annoying that earlier one went to great lengths to first make the Geth accepted as sentient, and then again saving their life at a massive cost.

Yes. We get it.

The literal interpretation, where you take the events at face value, is an illogical mess and a bad ending.

Don't take the ending at face value! There is no real reason to believe that the Geth, or the Reapers, or synthetics, were harmed during the events of the ending.

 

[CloudAtlas]

I kind of like the choices, especially with the "destroy synthetics" suggesting that Shepard is resisting the reaper manipulation (no weird eyes and starchild disappears immediately), and also because it's the "screw you, reapers" option.

It's just annoying that earlier one went to great lengths to first make the Geth accepted as sentient, and then again saving their life at a massive cost.

How much emotional impact would sacrificing something you don't care about have?

 

[___________________]

You're right, ME3's ending sucked on multiple levels.

Just blame this arsehole and move on is my advice.

Yes, remember this face well kkllawm. He is to blame.

 

[ghostz82]

I for one thought the the ending could've been better and should've been considering how popular and big ME was it.l deserved something great not exceptional. So as far as the ending Bioware gave us i felt that the extended cut ending should've at least been the original ending since it may not have been what fans wanted but at least it was complete and gave us more answers unlike the games original ending that felt incomplete and left people with more questions then answers and I personally would've been ok not satisfied but ok had the extended cut been the original ending. Also I don't mind open endings either but not when its the final game of a series I don't agree or feel that an open ending is the way to go or even right. I'm not surprised at all the backlash about mass effect 3 because I for one thought it got the dragon age 2 treatment which lately has been trend for Bioware since they got with EA. I knew it wouldn't be the mass effect game fans wanted and loved to play but hoped i was wrong. I also agree that the game was striped down of lot of the simple things that made it an RPG and an enjoyable one to and ME3 was made to attract more of the shooter crowd instead since thats where the money is at and could see how it was more linear with less choices and no matter what you decided the outcome was the same with the only difference being how you reached that outcome but in the end the outcome remained the same. You could see that ME3 plays and acts more like a shooter with its new interface and new multiplayer which I hate to say this because I'm a fan of their new interface and multiplayer but wasn't happy with the loss and lack of RPG elements in the game.

I'm not surprised though since this also happened with their dragon age series too and when you really thing about it seems like Bioware games are being shipped out much faster and lighter on content with a focus on EA/Bioware making as much money off the DLC, IOS games, multiplayer, and etc. So when I saw a DLC for sale on day one of the games release I had a feeling this was gonna be just like what happened with the dragon age series and then when i saw that the multiplayer was being tied in to the campaign with packs that you can purchase I knew this wasn't gonna be the mass effect game that fans of the original mass effect games that won RPG game of the year in 2007 wanted since it looked more like it was gonna be closer to what I mentioned above. But what really showed me that ME3 wasn't as good as it should've been and the rest of what I said was when I played ME3 and saw that I enjoyed the DLC and its multiplayer more then the actual game and think about this when you enjoy something that is made in less time then a whole game which took alot longer to make you know there's a problem and this shouldn't be the case. Hey I'm still a mass effect fan and bioware fan but I really hope what I said is wrong and I really hope that bioware delivers like they have in the past on their next titles they develop but only time will tell.