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Mad Maniac with axe-firing chainsaw said:
Well, my priorities are a lot differant from yours. As far as I am concerned I could really give a crud about The Middle East. Simply put they have oil, we have money, we give them money for oil, and generally speaking the arrangement works.
The problem of course being the fact that the culture is basically xenocidal and out to basically destroy or assimilate anything not like themselves. You have a leadership that puts on two faces and trades with us, while oftentimes trying to brush this under the rug so to speak. That's also fine, as long as they basically leave us alone.
In general we've had numerous attacks over the years from the region, and more or less responded with measured force and diplomacy while we've left it up to the leadership there to "Deal with the problem". As the level of threat was fairly minimal, we mostly left it at that.
However 9/11 happened, we faced a decapitation strike against our goverment. We foiled only one out of three prongs of the attack, and this of course upgraded Muslim culture from "annoyance from a trade partner" to "threat". With that attack we had the capability to inflict massive damage demonstrated, combined with a culture that possesses the expressed desire to do so.
The "purpose" of our involvement is not to conquer and rule over the people, it is not to make friends with them, it is not to increase their standard of living. As far as i am concerned the purpose is simply to remove the threat they pose to the US by any means nessicary.
As I have stated before, while I am generally right wing, *MY* criticisms of Bush were never about starting the war, or even going into Iraq. It was the way he turned this entire thing into an ongoing police action, and began this whole "winning the peace" rebuilding thing along with the propaganda behind it largely so he could hand out juicy goverment contracts in exchange for kickbacks. Of course Cheney got caught being more greedy than he did.
The basic problem with this entire "war" is that it ceased to be a war. We should have gone down there, leveled the place (and anyone else who looked at us crosseyed) and then went home. The purpose being to remove the threat, I didn't care about these guys before, I don't care about them now.
Instead what happened was Bush decided to go pseudo-liberal, and embrace this "morality" for the sole purpose of being able to give his buddies goverment contracts so they in turn would take a portion of that goverment money and stick it in his pocket (one way or another) later on. Cheney was even worse because he was even greedier than that, he pretty much wound up awarding contracts to companies he had a direct, personal, stake in (he denies it, and there were investigations, but it's pretty bloody obvious).
At any rate, the point is that one goes to war to remove a threat, not to sit around and act as a combination police force and meals on wheels. There should never have been any confusion about "helping" these people. The point should have been very clearly to just hammer them into dust and then go home. That way next time someone gets a wise idea about messing with America all they have to do is look at The Middle East as an object lesson as to why that really isn't a good idea.
Right now we're a laughing stock. What happens if you mess with America? You try and destroy our goverment, and we come into your country and build up your infrastructure for you. Woo Hoo!
I mean seriously, mass bombing loses a lot of effect as a punishment if you just come in and start passing out gifts afterwards.
These guys shouldin't be taking potshots with rifles and RPGs, they should be cowering in holes in the ground alternatly fearful as to whether a bomb will fall on them, or if they will die from enviromental aftereffects of the othr munions we destroyed.
9/11 was the last straw of some bad history, I have no illusions about these guys ever being our friends. There are no "oppressed liberal peasants" just waiting to come out and shine. It's differant groups of xenocidal maniacs. The Taliban/Northern Alliance being examples of why we can't trust these guys.
Woah, woah, woah? The guy that WE put in power? I'm sorry but that responsibility falls far from Canada, not our falt!
But, on topic, I just died inside more, putting my inner health bar at -276. This was a crit.
But, on topic, I just died inside more, putting my inner health bar at -276. This was a crit.
strange, it not legal in any catholic, buddhist, toaist, christian, or even athiest country to starve your wife. oddly, its not legally to mutilate women's genitals at birth to reduce their ability to have pleasure during sex in any other place. its strange to me how people still try to defend islam with all this crap going on.wolfy098 said:
in the catholic faith after starving your wife you can pay penance then your finemagnuslion said:
Buddhists are the only faith I can't find anything to hold against
never heard of Taoism before doing research now
By christian I suppose you mean the protestants
their leaders like catholics they have changed their own book to make the god
that (supposedly) killed every creature on earth save 2 of every Unclean animal
and (I think) 12 of every "Clean" animal seem kind and forgiving
atheism has to many sects to attack each one
give me a paticular one and I shall
Relationships should be built on respect and love. Not cruelty and punishment.
Women in Britain had to fight against Christian opression, and I hope Muslim women do so too.
Change has to come from within. I do not think true change can be imposed, especially whem religion is involved.
But oppressive Christian ideals changed, so manybe Muslim ideals can change too. But only through the efforts of Muslim people.
Women in Britain had to fight against Christian opression, and I hope Muslim women do so too.
Change has to come from within. I do not think true change can be imposed, especially whem religion is involved.
But oppressive Christian ideals changed, so manybe Muslim ideals can change too. But only through the efforts of Muslim people.
Then in most countries it is culturally acceptable to mutilate the genetalia of young boys. A needless cosmetic procedure with its roots in religion. Similar to "docking" the tail of a dog which is illegal in Britain. Strange shit becomes culturally acceptable.magnuslion said:
Iran was heading towards a more liberal democracy but it wanted to nationalise the anglo-iranian oil company that was selling oil to the west for peanuts. So the Brits and the CIA overthrew the democratic, popular government and replaced it with a west friendly, human rights abusing, dictatorship.bluepilot said:
When the people had had enough the Islamic revolution happened putting in nutty, west hating, right wing, Islamic fundi's and all the bother we have with Iran today.
Change can come from within if outsiders dont come along and fuck it all up.
How bout some little excerpts straight from the Koran. These are just a few examples of Allah's timeless wisdom.iggyus said:
4:34 Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath made the one of them to excel the other, and because they spend of their property (for the support of women). So good women are the obedient, guarding in secret that which Allah hath guarded. As for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge them. Then if they obey you, seek not a way against them. Lo! Allah is ever High, Exalted, Great.
[Men are in charge of women, because Allah made men to be better than women. Refuse to have sex with women from whom you fear rebellion, and scourge them]
5:6 O ye who believe! When ye rise up for prayer, wash you faces, and your hands up to the elbows, and lightly rub your heads and (wash) your feet up to the ankles. And if ye are unclean, purify yourselves. And if ye are sick or on a journey, or one of you cometh from the closet, or ye have had contact with women, and ye find not water, then go to clean, high ground and rub your faces and your hands with some of it. Allah would not place a burden on you, but He would purify you and would perfect His grace upon you, that ye may give thanks.
[When it's time to pray and you have just used the toilet or touched a woman, be sure to wash up. If you can't find any water, just rub some dirt on yourself.]
33:59 O Prophet! Tell thy wives and thy daughters and the women of the believers to draw their cloaks close round them (when they go abroad).
[Women must cover themselves when in public.]
Here, as it is of relevance to the topic is the short film Submission by Theo Van Gogh, the film over which Van Gogh was shot, decapitated, and stabbed (one would have thought one of these would be sufficient, but apperantly not). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGtQvGGY4S4