Starving your wife

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garfoldsomeoneelse

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Allow me to play devil's advocate, here.

Perhaps this is a step in the right direction. It's well known that the men in that region will not hesitate to beat the living shit out of his wife, because it's his only real method of coercion.

Now, introduce to him a way to penalize his wife that does not end with her being helplessly beaten within an inch of her life, and not only that, but make it so that she has a window of time to comply with it instead of having it be "right now or I pound your face in you whore of a goat".

Barbaric? Absolutely, but is it less severe than the husband believing that his only method of coercion is beating her to death? It certainly is.

One might argue that this only diversifies the ways that men will be allowed to torment their wives, and while this will undoubtedly be the case in some households, it also introduces a less-horrible way to many men who do not see themselves as having any other choice. I'm sure that not all husbands in the region are a bunch of cruel slave-drivers that will look for any excuse to abuse their spouses, and that the only reason that they engage in such abuse is because of societal stigma.

A man who goes easy on his "infidel" wife would no doubt fear being ostracized as a, well, a whore-enabler, if you will. Introduce to those men a government-given method for dealing with such problems (one that is less severe than beating/killing her), and I'm sure that many will feel alleviated of the pressure to do horrible things to their wives. They will feel like they are given the ability to take the easy way out on the social stigma. Gradually, if you introduce less and less severe punishments, perhaps some semblance of equality would be within reach.

Just a thought.
 

Akai Shizuku

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This is the one and only time I plan to mention this, because I can be vulgar at times and I'm not a very good representative of my faith, and I don't want people to associate the bad things I say with my faith...

I am a Muslim and I think this entire business with starving one's wife is retarded. Women are human beings, with thoughts and feelings, and should be treated as such with equal rights to men. That is what Islam teaches. However, culture over there does not regard women to be in equality with men nor is it influenced by...Oh, what the hell. I'm just going to say it, I don't care if I get suspended or banned or whatever.

THEIR CULTURE IS RETARDED. Did you know that before Islam came they used to do even worse things? Do you know how disgusting it used to be? If a man and his wife had a daughter, there was a fairly high chance that they would bury her. Alive. An infant. Screaming and crying for its mother. Islam came and wiped out all their BS, but with every generation things get worse and revert back to the old BS.

Islam is not the problem here. In fact, it's the only thing fighting these problems. The problem is the retarded culture of those stupid, stupid people.
 

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Akai Shizuku said:
chrisdibs said:
the wonders of the muslim world
Please keep in mind that Islam doesn't teach that. It's just the culture over there.

Yet another reason to support anarchy.
Anarchy, great idea. Biggest asshole with the least morals is in control. Not a good idea.
On topic Its not a good thing to have this person in office, but hopefully the democratic process will get this guy out of there. If not, there may be rebellions.
 

dekkarax

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Cliff_m85 said:
xmetatr0nx said:
Yes he is the lesser of two evils, its just the way it is. We are there to prevent the taliban from regaining a foothold in that country. I think its the right thing to do, theres a lot of work to be done still.
The lesser of two evils is still evil.


But we're really ignoring where the problem comes from.....the Quran.
The Quran says nothing about this.
And also, the guy proposing it hasn't even been elected yet, it could be one of the two other guys.
 

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Ciarang said:
Why do people marry again ?

Also if I see an asshole in this thread who says "ooh yeah" I will flip out
ooooooh yeeeeeah

[small] did expect every one to ignore that?[/small]
 

jamesworkshop

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Surely a starving wife would just end up too hungry to be any good in bed anyway I don't think Hamid Karzai is thinking properly.
 

theultimateend

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shadowstriker86 said:
....wtf is wrong with these people?
I'd say religion but then someone religious would go all chat jihad on me.

As it stands this is highly disturbing :(. People shouldn't starve their wives, that's just cold blooded, sucks enough that they had to get married.

A book that I suggest anyone here reads (if they have the time of course) would be: http://www.amazon.com/End-Faith-Religion-Terror-Future/dp/0393035158 .

It's a real eye opener, but not so much that it shoves it down your throat.
 

Akai Shizuku

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captainordo said:
Akai Shizuku said:
chrisdibs said:
the wonders of the muslim world
Please keep in mind that Islam doesn't teach that. It's just the culture over there.

Yet another reason to support anarchy.
Anarchy, great idea. Biggest asshole with the least morals is in control. Not a good idea.
On topic Its not a good thing to have this person in office, but hopefully the democratic process will get this guy out of there. If not, there may be rebellions.
You don't really seem to know what you're talking about, so here's a website that will teach you everything about anarchy.
http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/1931/

EDIT: Wait, sorry man, my bad. I misinterpreted what you said. I'm going to keep the link here though so everyone can read it.
 

Kellerb

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...Bugger. the fact that hes the LESSER of two evils reduces my faith in humanity (or whats left) into a frigging HUSK.
 

E-Z

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coxafloppin said:
muslims have never treated there women right but that is just insane.
You'd know this how? Sure this seems to be common in the middle-east, but it's silly and ignorant to say all male muslims mistreat women. I'm a muslim and I haven't beaten anyone or mistreated women, nor do I intend to (unless someone tries to beat/kill me).
 

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Having researched the northern alliance and stuff I can tell you this is no surprise. They where originally named United Islamic Front for the Salvation of Afghanistan but that wasn't 'PR' enough in the western media so they where called the northern alliance cause that sounded better. In reality they where NEVER any different then the Taliban and the 'allied forces' knew this and still know this. Yet we supported them as we have supported evil people in the past: They where a convent means to an end.

And we will continue to support them, no matter what, cause they are 'our bastards.'

Welcome to the sick world of world politics....
 

EchetusXe

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http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+corinthians%207:3-7:5&version=50

"Let the husband render to his wife the affection due her, and likewise also the wife to her husband. The wife does not have authority over her own body, but the husband does. And likewise the husband does not have authority over his own body, but the wife does. Do not deprive one another except with consent for a time, that you may give yourselves to fasting and prayer; and come together again so that Satan does not tempt you because of your lack of self-control."
1 Corinthians 7:3-5 (New King James Version)

^The Bible.

"But the husband cannot be guilty of a rape committed by himself upon his lawful wife, for by their mutual matrimonial consent and contract the wife hath given up herself in this kind unto her husband which she cannot retract."
Was a contradiction in terms for a long time in British law that a man could rape his wife.

http://www.nytimes.com/1987/05/13/us/marital-rape-drive-for-tougher-laws-is-pressed.html

"In 1975, South Dakota became the first state to make the rape of a spouse a crime."
You think your all so different in the Christian West.


But yeah, Afghanistan is heading in the wrong way here. Obviously such a thing could never happen in America, Britain etc TODAY (or tomorrow... hopefully).
 

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SimuLord said:
Meanwhile, I think "can we do this in America?" Not necessarily for wives withholding sex, I think it should be extended so men who marry hot chicks, see them gain 50 pounds while the guys stay in shape, and realize they can't even find an attractive woman for sex on the side without losing half their stuff...well...NO SOUP FOR YOU!

(moral of the story, guys: Don't marry American women.)
Because that never happens anywhere else, and men don't ever get fat.

Or here's an idea, if you're that concerned about sex don't marry at all.
 

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E-Z said:
coxafloppin said:
muslims have never treated there women right but that is just insane.
You'd know this how? Sure this seems to be common in the middle-east, but it's silly and ignorant to say all male muslims mistreat women. I'm a muslim and I haven't beaten anyone or mistreated women, nor do I intend to (unless someone tries to beat/kill me).
I don't think anyone here is intending to say that all male muslims mistreat women, but it is a fact that the religion itself encourages the mistreatment of women. Indeed, so does christianity.
 
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At least girls can go to school now, which was better than life under the taliban (education can be a major factor in raising awareness and aiding the spread of human rights) and we do have substantial leverage over the situation. If things continue in this admittedly horrific and depressing tread, we can just say to Karzai "If things don't improve for women in your country, if you don't even try to protect them, we're out. We're not throwing our lives away to maintain a society without womans rights." That might get through to the Afghans that we're serious about this whole "Universal human rights" malarky.

Karzai may simply not be in a position to stop people from killing him if he tries to press for womens rights. Or he may just be a corrupt sexist prick. If its the former issue, we need to protect him and make it clear to him that we expect him to pass laws that protect the women in his country, even in their homes. (Especially in their homes.) If its the latter, we tell him to clean up his act or else he can fight the taliban by himself... and then protect him if he does start enforcing womens rights.

Its an abominable situation alright, but things have been and are rotten to the core in Afghanistan. Only a determined and well-thought out strategy which keeps the nutters on both sides of the border in line will help to bring equality to Afghanistan. A number of people have noted the possibility of just saying "fuck it" and going home. But if our troops just go home, then we have no chance of rectifying the situation, and it will just get worse. Worst of all, think about all the lives that have been lost fighting the taliban and fighting to raise welfare levels in Afghanistan. Were they all in vain then?
 

delet

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Ciarang said:
Why do people marry again ?

Also if I see an asshole in this thread who says "ooh yeah" I will flip out
I really want to say 'ooh yeah' now...

Welp, more points away for the human race. More points for my lovely theories on life. Ho-hum.