Stolen Pixels #216: Pull It Down!

[The_ModeRazor]

And Galen Marek (Starkiller for you folks) was supposedly... weaker than Vader or Palpatine.
... riiiiiiight.

Then again, I think I liked the Revan kind of super-powerful super-badass super-magnificient bastard.

Spoiler

Need a show of power? Revan learnt the language of the Rakatan by literally taking it right out of their minds.

You don't get much more powerful than that.

Wait, I almost forgot why Star Wars doesn't have Chuck Norris - Kyle Katarn sent him back crying. THE BIGGEST PLOT SPOILER EVER FOLLOWS:

Spoiler

Kyle Katarns shaves with his lightsaber. I'm not making this up, one of his idle animations in Jedi Outcast is this.

 

[Mysnomer]

Stolen Pixels #216: Pull It Down!

Before you unleash the full fury of the Force, make sure you know what you're supposed to be doing with it.

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I think the trope you're looking for is "Lensman Arms Race".

Actually, that's when nations work to outdo each other, he's talking about Sequel Escalation [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SequelEscalation].

 

[HT_Black]

Actually, that whole "moving a planet" thing already happened. Well, not moving per se, but Naga Sadow of the EU could supposedly cause an entire planet to implode by looking at it funny and twiddling his thumbs.

Oh, and Nihlus from KOTOR 2 just ate the bloody things whole.

 

[DaveMc]

I think the trope you're looking for is "Lensman Arms Race".

*finger wave* These aren't the tropes you're looking for. Move along.

 

[Not G. Ivingname]

That. Part. Sucked.

It's not enough that you have to deal with attacks while pulling the ship down SLOWLY AS HELL.

But then they make the ship attempt to reset itself as you fight off the attackers.

And it is a quick time event.

 

[Birion]

Lifting the planet? [a href=http://www.darthsanddroids.net/episodes/0400.html]Yoda can do that with little effort...[/a]

 

[theSovietConnection]

In the first Star Wars movie, there was nothing about Jedi being telekinetic. One movie later, one of the most powerful Jedi in a thousand years was able to move an X-Wing very slowly through careful concentration. Then in the prequels, every Jedi seems to be able to fling objects around at will with little fuss.

Although I can't explain the rest, the above can be explained. It could be said that before the Emperor took power, the Jedi received a much higher degree of training, making it far easier for them to use the telekinetic abilities of the Force. However, as Yoda aged, in combination with not wanting the Emperor or Darth Vader to see his Force signature, his powers significantly weakened, meaning that it required far more concentration for him to do something as (relatively) simple as moving the X-Wing.

 

[elexis]

Mark my words: Sooner or later, a Jedi is going to be moving a planet around. It is inevitable.

Why do you need a Jedi when a small organic blob can do it [http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Dobido] for you?

 

[ArchBlade]

...Luke would still kill him, though. Plot armour and all that.

Interestingly enough,

Spoiler

This game has DLC where you fight Luke. Despite the fact that he's new to the whole Jedi scene at the time, his plot armor doesn't stop him from getting creamed. Doesn't die though. Turns to the dark side, in fact.

 

[RelexCryo]

That. Part. Sucked.

It's not enough that you have to deal with attacks while pulling the ship down SLOWLY AS HELL.

But then they make the ship attempt to reset itself as you fight off the attackers.

And the controls made no sense. You couldn't just pull it down. Oh no. You had to MANUALLY put it back in it's original angle/inclination AND THEN pull it down. If you got it in the perfect angle/inclination, pulled it slightly down, zapped all the tie fighters in .05 seconds, and used the force to grab it right away-they FORCED you to put it back in the original position before you grabbed it YOURSELF and then pull it back to where it you had gotten it before they forced you to reset it.

They forced you to help the enemy forces recover from your attack before they let you resume the attack. It would be like if a First Person Shooter RPG such as Borderlands forced you to give a healthpack to a Boss every time he summoned enemies. You can't just kill the enemies and begin attaacking him. He doesn't just heal while he summons minions to help him. Oh no. You are forced TO HELP THEM FOR NO REASON before you can begin attacking them again.

 

[BobisOnlyBob]

Power escalation? I go to tabletop for that. I play Star Wars: Saga Edition. In our Old Republic campaign, I kinda... well, sure, I had a Sith superweapon (which was apparently Expanded Universe canon?) available to me at the end of the campaign. I kinda, uh...

I accidentally the entire Mandalorian fleet. and about 4/5ths of their population with it...


I made up for it. Next time we played, it was a late-Rise of the Empire (ie. inbetween the Prequels and the Original trilogy) and I played a Mandalorian.


Her name was Amanda Lorian...

 

[WhiteTigerShiro]

That. Part. Sucked.

It's not enough that you have to deal with attacks while pulling the ship down SLOWLY AS HELL.

But then they make the ship attempt to reset itself as you fight off the attackers.

Yeah, it definitely required that you really get fighting the TIEs down to a T, since the longer it takes for you to fight the TIEs, the more time the ship can reset, and the more time the ship can reset, the more time it takes for you to reposition it (though I don't get why he couldn't just pull it down from whatever angle, why'd it have to be pointed forward? But anyway...) and the more time it takes for you to angle the ship properly, the less time you have to pull before the new wave comes. Oh, and the closer the Destroyer gets, the less travel time needed for each wave (since the TIEs are coming from the Destroyer).

Absolutely hated that part.

 

[V'icternus]

...Luke would still kill him, though. Plot armour and all that.

Interestingly enough,

Spoiler

This game has DLC where you fight Luke. Despite the fact that he's new to the whole Jedi scene at the time, his plot armor doesn't stop him from getting creamed. Doesn't die though. Turns to the dark side, in fact.

...So... why should we like this nameless jacked-up apprentice guy again? He's a Gary Stu of epic proportions, but without a name or actual personality.
I vote we kill him and replace him in FU2 with a character everyone will enjoy playing.
Here, I'll help create him.

Name: Darth Ikstej
Race: Human with wings (Humwingian)
Interesting Abilities: Can use the Force to regenerate his body when not in combat, removing the need for those pesky health pick-ups I haven't seen or used in like ten years. Can use the Force to detect his own health percentage, shown in-game on a "bar" of sorts. (We can name this brand new game later)
Lightsaber: Player can choose look, colour and combat style of their lightsaber. Said weapon shall be at least as useful as kicking, and at most as useful as they should be.
Ship: Shall not be named after a bird. Birds don't survive in Space. Giant Space-worms, however, do. Soooo...
The Indigo Space-worm.

Ta-da! There. You can thank me later, Lucasarts.
...I take cash or cheque.

 

[Darth_Dude]

I'm to the point now where I actually smile during the Order 66 scene...

......You monster......

 

[ArchBlade]

-Snippity-

Never necessarily said you should like him. He's pretty damn bland in game, and I was really just pointing out the coincidence in what you said in my snip.

Um... Also interestingly,

Spoiler

He kind of is incidentally dead. The canon ending has him die, though the bad ending has him kill and replace Vader.

Also, although this was never mentioned in game, his name is apparently Galen Marek. He's also supposed to be a more flushed character in the book, but I don't really consider it worth my time to read it, having played the game.

But yeah, don't know who we're using in the sequel. Probably a clone or some crap. Something typical of LucasArts.

Nice character concept though.

 

[Jaqen Hghar]

Spoiler

He kind of is incidentally dead. The canon ending has him die, though the bad ending has him kill and replace Vader.

Also, although this was never mentioned in game, his name is apparently Galen Marek. He's also supposed to be a more flushed character in the book, but I don't really consider it worth my time to read it, having played the game.

But yeah, don't know who we're using in the sequel. Probably a clone or some crap. Something typical of LucasArts.

You want to know something funny? You are right. [http://www.giantbomb.com/star-wars-the-force-unleashed-ii/61-29438/] Yeah.

Anyway, while some of the things can be explained, some things are just way over the top. But I agree with a post above me somewhere, that pulling down a Star Destroyer isn't quite over the top, it's just way up there on the edge. Size matters not, so if Starkiller is crazy enough to believe that he can pull down the Star Destroyer, then he can. Of course it is tiring work, and due to the engines of the ship battling his every move, it should be hard.

So why did Yoda have difficulties lifting the X-Wing? I can see two reasons why. One, he hadn't used any Force Powers in years, trying to mask his presence from Vader. So he was out of touch basically. Two, he had to pace himself so that he wasn't discovered, making it seem like it was really hard for him. Oh! There is one more reason: He didn't want to show Luke how powerful the Force really was. Power corrupts, and he didn't think Luke would withstand the Dark Side if he saw how powerful the Force really was.

 

[ArchBlade]

-Also snip-

First order of business, either I'm awesome or Lucas Arts is just that predictable.

Second, well, there's quite a few reasons you could come up with for it. Keep in mind that, while Yoda may have been a Jedi master once, by the time Luke showed up, he was even older and more in firm than in the prequels. Years of seclusion and being not even a year from your death bed can have that kind of effect. Maybe age has simply hindered his capabilities.

Or even, it could just be that Yoda's natural affinity for the force simply wasn't as strong as Galen's. Vader even comments at the beginning of the game that Galen's presence is more powerful and imposing than his father's, and he was just a boy at the time, presumably little to no knowledge of force use. It could just be possible that Galen is so close and so connected to the force that he can easily perform feats that even Jedi masters might find difficult.

It's also much easier to write it off as a simple inconsistency, an error stemming from all these different stories and writers stacking into the same universe and establishing themselves at chronologically mixed times. But I suppose there's not much fun in that. >.>

 

[MercenaryCanary]

What about Bastilla's Battle Meditation power?

 

[Echo136]

Mark my words: Sooner or later, a Jedi is going to be moving a planet around. It is inevitable.

I was just about to say that too. XD

 

[Captain Pancake]

Didn't Darth Nihilus from KotOR 2 destroy a planet with the force?