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dave1004

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First of all, I'm Canadian. Now...

USA versus Canada

LOL! What, are you serious? "Oh, let's just pit a massive super power against a group of hicks riding battle moose and using .22's...Plus, think about it. Canada exports massive amounts of resources (Food, oil, water, etc) to the USA. How is it realistic that they would attack us? How the heck would we be able to INSTIGATE them to attack us?

Burn the Russians, their inventions suck.
 

idarkphoenixi

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I'm not offended that I'm mostly killing russians, or japanese...or chinese. Well it's pretty much anyone from the Far-East. I'm just bored of it. Have a little originality about yourselves people.
Oh the russians are coming to invade because the Cold War ever stopped, ooooh stop the presses!
How about an internal struggle with your own Nation? Maybe the left and right wings of politics decide to turn on each other with extreme violence? An oppressed community rise up against its militarised government?
But enough of the war games based on some unknown Middle-Eastern location that is probably Afghanistan but we can't call it Afghanistan because we need to be "politically correct" ENOUGH! It's soooooo boring. No offence to the people there but theres not exactly a lot of interesting scenery. Sand hill here, mud-hut there...
 

the spud

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You don't fuck with Russians, just look at this!
That is part of the training required to become a spetsnaz. I wouldn't think they would go down so easily.
 

BlumiereBleck

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Why not do a first person shooter of The Great War? Yeah, using a Mauser and shootin the french! Now there is a game that could sell
 

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CorvusFerreum said:
The Problem is not that it's allways russia as enemy, the problem is more the focus on the USA (or the west in general) as the good side.
I mean there are a lot of conflicts in the world, that would make a good framework for an fps. Like Pakistan-India (or Pakistan in generell), Taiwan-China, Russia-tchechenia, Eritrea and many more. They would not require any americasn character and would make far more realistic scenarios then most modern fps have.
Absolutely.

That and the gung-ho "fuck yeah!" "marines are #1!" stuff, where marines are always shown as badasses because "America is awesome". Real life marines don't exactly go around wooping with joy that they've killed their enemy.

Whats sadder is that it's probably due in large part to the mentality of the audience. Kids probably aren't going to line up to fight for an Indian/Taiwanese protagonist.
 

Iron Mal

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Soviet Heavy said:
And the Middle East for that matter. Big time war games are always about blowing up insane modern day Soviets or some vague Middle Eastern country. And I'm sick of it.
How do you think Germany feels about always being forced to be Nazis in WWII shooters?

I doubt there's much justice as to who gets to be the villains of modern day settings, Middle Eastern terrorists and Cold War style Soviets are the most recent threats to the western world that most of us can remember so it's no real suprise that they're going to be our targets of choice in shooter games in a modern setting.

Hell, this isn't even a recent thing, Goldeneye on the N64 had you gunning down leigons of Soviet minions too yet no-one complained about that harping on the 'Cold War' thing (and that was in the late 90's).

The full scale war that is shown in these games is ludicrous in today's era of warfare. That it is always about the United States taking on the Russians like the Cold War never ended just makes it more ridiculous.
It's not any more ridiculous than a whole lot of other concepts that we never even seem to question (like how a single man can lead us to victory in a war or how in RTS's it always seems to be that the fate of humanity will be forever changed because of the outcome of a single small skirmish).

Between you and the recent article of Yahtzee trying to call bullshit on Warhammer 40k it'd seem like everyone has a very selective suspension of disbelief.

If we are going to make some balls out stupid gung ho action shooter military game, why are we limiting the global war to the US and Russia? If it is so over the top, why not come up with some equally stupid entertaining premise?
Like Lobstermen vs. Roman Centurions?

Because that would be amazing.

USA versus Canada
Hey! What's your beef with Canada? (besides, we already know that Canada would win, they burned the White House down before after all)

USA versus the Ocean Men
What's your fixation on the USA always being involved?

Can't we have someone else as the good guys for once? (like Canada?)

USA versus the Eastern European potential crossdressing supervillain
You have a problem with USA vs. Russia yet USA vs. Eastern Europe is fine? (you are aware that Russia happens to be in Eastern Europe, right?)

USA versus USA: Republicans versus Democrats in a fight to the death.
And watch as no-one outside of the US gets too worked up about that idea and sits there scratching their heads going 'which side is supposed to be the bad guys again?'.

All of these are about as likely as a full scale war with Russia, as in, completely fucking stupid.
I wouldn't say Russia vs. USA is completely fucking stupid.

It isn't likely to happen, granted, but that isn't what's important otherwise you could call bullshit on any story involving aliens, robots, mutants, superheroes, monsters, demons, zombies, Gods, time travel, space travel, alternate dimensions, cyborgs or anything else from the realms of fantasy or Sci-Fi (for the reccord, that's a lot).

The important part is does it have an sense of internal consistancy, the stories I've seen that feature all out war between Russia and the US do (MW2 does give a fair explanation for why Russia is eager to go to war with the US, yes, if put under scrutinty such a thing would never occur but that's looking too deeply into it).

But fun regardless. Just, why pick on your old grudges when you could make something else as equally idiotic?
Because the 'old grudges' had a lot of movies made about them which are nostalgic to a lot of people (even into the late 90's we had 'Soviets' as generic villains in stuff like Bond films and video games even though we weren't in a conflict with Russia and the Soviet Union wasn't really around anymore).
 

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This November: the President of the united States has become sick. You are Sergeant John Doe of the US Marines, and you must find his cancer cells and destroy them! Watch out for white blood cells, and the rest of the immune system! this all leading up to a climactic boss fight with the most feared enemy of America: Clogged arteries! rated 'M' for MATURE.
 

DirgeNovak

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Ты сказаешь они, брат!
In all seriousness, I don't play a lot of war games, so that "trend" doesn't bother me.
 

artanis_neravar

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Soviet Heavy said:
And the Middle East for that matter. Big time war games are always about blowing up insane modern day Soviets or some vague Middle Eastern country. And I'm sick of it.

The full scale war that is shown in these games is ludicrous in today's era of warfare. That it is always about the United States taking on the Russians like the Cold War never ended just makes it more ridiculous.

If we are going to make some balls out stupid gung ho action shooter military game, why are we limiting the global war to the US and Russia? If it is so over the top, why not come up with some equally stupid entertaining premise?

USA versus Canada
USA versus the Ocean Men
USA versus the Eastern European potential crossdressing supervillain
USA versus USA: Republicans versus Democrats in a fight to the death.

All of these are about as likely as a full scale war with Russia, as in, completely fucking stupid.
But fun regardless. Just, why pick on your old grudges when you could make something else as equally idiotic?
Get over yourself, it has nothing to do with grudges, it has to do with the fact that Russia is the only country that could actually stand up the the USA in a full out war. The US has the second largest standing military next to China who is financially tied to the US in a way that they would suffer more from a war then they would staying where they are. The European countries are equally tied to the US which leave Russia as the only realistic opponent to the US.
Iron Mal said:
Soviet Heavy said:
Technically Britain burned down the white house, Canada wasn't a country until 1867, but other then that playing as Canada would be awesome!!
 

Kuroneko97

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In soviet Russia...

I guess this makes a bit of sense. But come on. I'm pretty sure Japan makes fun of us all the time. In fact, they do. Listen to this assumingly American guy:

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Corporal Yakob

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I've said it before and I'll say it again-we need a WW2 game from the Axis point of view. Games can go on and on and on about how poor Private Powalski joined the US Army and despite being just a Alabama farmboy he had the courage to be a heroic brother in the band of heroes of his unit etc etc, but for some real emotional punch for the story give us Gefreiter Paulus, conscripted and serving on the hell of the Eastern Front.
 

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If there comes a good game where USA is the enemy I'd buy it on day 1, it'd offer a new perspective other than "those terrorists".
 

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keideki said:
Somehow I get the feeling that a WWII game from the Axis side is not going to happen for awhile yet.
May be a bit of a stretch but in Battlefield 1942 you could do a campaign as the Axis fighting as German and Japanese soldiers.

As for something else to fight, why start now? We've been shooting Russians, Aliens and various Middle Eastern people for a while now.
 

Da Orky Man

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RyanBishop said:
Well, personally, I think that there is the fact that the USA only had conflicts with a few other countries/regions/nations EVER. Nazi Germany, 'Nam, Japan, the USSR, the MidEast.

Now let's take a look:

Nazi Germany? Well, that puts a game in WWII mode. Done to death. Modern-day Germany? Piss poor way to uphold the good relationships with NATO allies. Same applies to every European country.

'Nam? Uhhhhh... again, history-based shooter - yeah. Modern day - nope. No way, Jose. There's nothing in 'Nam these days. It was the Soviet influence that made 'Nam... well, 'Nam!

Japan? Again, no use, because today Japan is a valuable partner to the US of A, and frankly speaking, most people see Japan as a high-tech land of anime, mechs, and other cool stuff. Not to mention its' recent mishaps with the forces of nature - who would want to pick on them?

This basically leaves the Middle East (no country specified - game devs don't really care for details... bearded guys in burkas with AK's - epic villain image) and the former USSR (read: Russia, since most of the former USSR satellite states are now part of Europe).

Canadians? Aussies? Mexicans? Nah, again, this boils down to either a touchy topic based on existing issues with the country (not enough to trigger a full scale conflict, mind) or a case of partnership, that no one wants to cast a shadow on.

The MidEastern setting is running out of its time now. People are getting sick of that crap. So the devs bring up a formidable foe: the Eeeeevil Russians! Because Russia is still seen by some... ehm, more "intelligent" Americans, as a counterpart and/or global rival, the plot of the conflict makes perfect sense in a nice modern-day "alternative history-2-future" way.

That shit sells. And it is the way it is. Nothing much can stop the devs from picking on the Russians. Unless a new, better global conflict comes up in reality. Then the focus will shift.

On a side note - I live in Moscow, I am a born Russian, although I did spend most of my childhood in the States. I love both countries in an equal way, I think, and that way it kind of bummers me out to play as either side of the US-Russian conflict. But hell, what can a guy do? Not play a good game just because of the stupid plot? Fuck that, I like me my CoD and BF and stuff.

So I guess the rational thing here would be just to deal with it.
How about the UK? I'm a solid Brit, but I would certaintly buy a game with the UK and the US fighting.
 

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Qitz said:
keideki said:
Somehow I get the feeling that a WWII game from the Axis side is not going to happen for awhile yet.
May be a bit of a stretch but in Battlefield 1942 you could do a campaign as the Axis fighting as German and Japanese soldiers.

As for something else to fight, why start now? We've been shooting Russians, Aliens and various Middle Eastern people for a while now.
Err, Red Orchestra 2: Heroes of Stalingrad?...
You can play the campaign from the German side in this game.
 

XMark

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What we really need is more space Nazis. Worked all right in the Killzone series.
 

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tzimize said:
South Park did USA vs Canada already, and in a way no game can top.

That said I wouldnt mind seeing a game where USA was the bad guy. Change of pace, yes please.

That said I really dont care. Wargames have little interest to me, and individual stories are usually more compelling than national ones anyway.
Interesting idea there, for some reason I have not yet thought of, the United States ends up in a war with the European countries, something they did maybe, not going over well with the rest of the Western world, an argument getting out of hand, some extremists trying to sabotage something on US soil, whatever it is, the United States invades, most likely through France or Spain, wait... I'm just describing the backstory of Endwar. Well, I really liked the backstory of Endwar, at least before they pulled a "the russians did it".
 

thirion1850

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'Cause making fun of and using my country as a scapegoat for 'check out these idiots' is ridiculously easy. And apparently no one ever gets offended when Russia are the bad guys. ...Again.
 

Tiger Sora

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Why isn't there a modern era fps game where we're fighting against the massive Chinese hordes. You're so drastically outnumbered it's a real fight for survival.
And China's modernizing their military rapidly so it wouldn't be like fighting a group of untrained rebels armed with 40 year old Ak-47's and RPG's in Afblanisraqe.

They've a highly disciplined and trained army.

Though China wouldn't like that much would they. <.< Whatever do it. I'd be cool.