Stop Trying To Challenge Call of Duty

[Autofaux]

Monopolies are never good. On the contrary, every attempt should be made to knock Call of Duty off its high horse and wrestle away some of its marketshare. It's a strong franchise, sure, but nothing is invincible.

and who buys cod or moh for the story. these are multiplayer games with a 5 hour single player tutorial. not single player games.

See? People like you, who don't even think about demanding quality single-player modes piss me off no end. People like you are the reason why douche bag publishers tell their devs to not even bother trying because most people who buy those games are drooling retards who prefer "headshotting n00bs" to an engaging single-player campaign anyway.

Jesus titty fucking Christ. What's next, you stating that movies targeting you as their audience don't need dialogue, because you and your buddy wouldn't hear it over your belching and grunting noises?

Now, don't get me wrong, I like a good deathmatch as much as the next guy, but at least games like Gears or Uncharted still have a campaign that isn't just an alibi... At this point, why bother making single-player campaigns at all?

Also, this.

 

[park92]

I like CoD, Ive just never been to good at it so I don't play it so much. still, every so often i have a poke around the spec-ops.

And I agree, as far as realistic shooters go, CoDs the best of the litter

are you trying to imply cod is realistic in any kind of way?

 

[icame]

Seriously people its an opinion

I think COD is bad, but i like Metroid prime and Killzone 2. So which of us are correct? Neither.

 

[internetzealot1]

Come back when the guns in CoD get some fucking recoil.

 

[lewism247]

Which game are you talking about?

If it's any of the ones the OP stated then read the first sentence of the part of my post you quoted.

Also, you're criticising the game because you can't walk in a straight line through a doorway?

Don't get me wrong, Bad Company 2 is a great game and has totally been worth the 2 days Ive spent in it, it just has one horrible game breaking bug. It has horrible controls. If I am being shot at and my only means of escape is a door 4 feet behind me and two feet to the left, I can tell you I won't be getting there easily. That is the problem with the game. It is a chore to get to places, and one on ones with other players seem very "who sees who first".

If it's any of the ones the OP stated then read the first sentence of the part of my post you quoted.

I did. And I disagree with you. I haven't played Killzone 2, but I have played CoD and BC2. CoD does it perfectly with sensitivity and great controlling. BC2 does it horribly with its clunkly controls, and it is near impossible to find a senstivity level that you like. I am not the only one who complains about this.

Ah I see what you mean, I misunderstood.

My mistake.

 

[Jimmyjames]

I've personally NEVER liked the CoD paradigm- especially the leveling system which gives an unfair advantage to longtime players. You should be good BECAUSE you've been playing a long time and your inherent skill has increased. There's no reason to add superior load-outs to the mix. That shift has all but killed my enthusiasm for newer multiplayer games.

I also don't like the CoD tactical element which is essentially "scoot around and head-shot people from behind" or "camp and snipe". Boring.

 

[Canid117]

or alternatively

 

[RedDeadFred]

I fully agree with OP.

 

[Giest4life]

Every time I see someone doing this I groan and know it'll be an argument with nothing behind it. It's the same as his videos nothing behind it but misplaced hate with the occassional dick joke thrown in. Don't quote Yahtzee he isn't god, he isn't a reviewer, he's just someone who makes criticising videos in an attempt to make people laugh

Also I liked Bad Company 2, never played Killzone 2 and hated Medal of Honour so no fanboyism involved

If Yahtzee had the sole purpose of soliciting laughs, he'd be a clown. Secondly, he is a god by my definition of the word.

OT: I don't know what you are talking about; I've never played Killzone 2 so I can't really comment on that, but I couldn't find any recognizable differences between BBC2 and MW2: to me, both were mediocre shooters with good gameplay (it felt the same) and a really crappy story. I'm sure you like it for the very same reasons I don't, only that you label them differently.

In short: I don't agree with you. And I don't want CoD killers, I want the "realistic" shooter genre killed.

 

[RadioActiveChimp]

I am not a COD fan, anymore. I was a big fan of the WWII games (not including word at War) but that was back when I had nothing to to but play games. Now, I enjoy the COD games for a month or two, but the multiplayer gets old fast imo. By the time I got to level 67 in MW2, I was so tired of the game that I didn't even want to play for those last three levels. The single player in MW2 had some GREAT moments, gameplay speaking, but the story was so cornball that I stopped following any of it 1/2 way through (this is a problem that most shooters have imo.) But that's just me.

Personally, I prefer the Halo franchise. They are more polished and dynamic than the COD games, and Forge mode adds years of playability for me and my friends. I'm not a big fan of the single player, but it at least doesn't make me roll my eyes every time something BIG happens.

If you want to stick to the more "realistic shooters," I enjoyed BBC2 a lot more than MW2.

SO THERE!!!

 

[Paulie92]

*initiate standard responce to COD love/hate thread* I played the MW2 story line through a couple of times (on Hardcore then Veteran, and a couple of levels a third time to hunt down missed collectables) it was fun, and on Veteran challenging it wasn't mind boggling. I played MW1 multiplayer and it pretty much came down to who saw who first.

As to the realistic claims is it really realistic for an SAS trooper to sprint at 3 guys firing machine guns at him and manage to knife them all before he slides down a hill and knifes a guy of a jet ski?

 

[Iwata]

Well, sure. And there was Jane's USAF, too. But there hasn't been a truly great combat flight sim in the last decade, and that's a crying shame. With the power of today's PCs...

The IL-2/Pacific Fighters series and Lock On: Modern Air Combat are waaaaaay beyond good.

 

[ENKC]

Bad Company 2 is superior to Modern Warfare 2. There, I've said it. Competition is good, plagiarism is not.

 

[TheJwalkR]

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Is Bad Company 2 any good? Was thinking of getting it and your post may have just helped with that ;D

And if anything, COD has been taking what other games do and just improved it... So it's not that games are trying to be a COD clone...It's that COD is cloning sections of games and making it good...well some features anyway.

Although that was a loooooooooooooooooooooooong time ago, and i can see your point...although Black Ops have taken things from other games, theatre mode etc...

i dno where i am going with this, it's just all games copy each other...

I agree with your "all games copy each other".
But my reason for quoting you is to say yes, get BC2 it is awesome. However I want to caution you. There is a lot of camping but it is more justified because of game modes like rush.

 

[Flac00]

I say this, not because I'm an obsessed, overzealous kewboard warrior, but because there just really isnt any point in doing it anymore.

COD has just well, nailed it. At least, better than anyone else really has.

I rented out and played Medal of Honour recently, along with Killzone 2 and Bad Company to see how they stacked up, and by comparison they were just awful. Sure, maybe they wouldnt be so bad if I didnt have something better to compare them to, but for christ sake they bored me.

Aiming the weapons was a sluggish chore, point blank hails of bullets took a solid 6 seconds to bring down an enemy, the close combat animations were lame, the characters were highly punchable, the story was broken and unfocused and badly told, and the set pieces made me yawn.

As Yahtzee once said, popular things are often popular for a reason, because they are good.

So who agrees? Is anyone else sick and tired of hearing about "COD killers" and just wish these bland imitations would stop so new first person shooters could just be good on their own merit, or is it actually possible to knock COD off its perch with a new title? (That would be, off its perch in its prime, not when it starts releasing endless successions of clones after MW3.)

No, in fact COD will lose after a while. It has happened to every franchise that was huge at some point. A mistake will be made and the game series will crash and burn. I am not hoping for it as I really liked COD 4 and thought MW2 was pretty good. Unfortunately this seems to be coming soon. I do not trust Treyarch or "Sledgehammer games" with the series at all. It will go like Unreal, Battlefield, Quake, Doom, and many other dominant shooters. True, three of those have died off since they have only had one sequel since their heyday, but it is a point. I'm hoping that Half-Life will break this idea and keep at it with amazing games.
Plus, I think some of your reasoning seemed a little untrue. In singleplayer, yes, Battlefield, and Medal of Honor fall behind. But in singleplayer they make a completely different and much slower pace game. I honestly love the battlefield style, not to mention it is actually much more chaotic and awesome. But remember, they are different games for different people.
PS: It is kind of ironic that both Battlefield and Medal of Honor were created before COD was, yet they are still called copies.... Just food for thought.

 

[Tdc2182]

It is a chore to get to places, and one on ones with other players seem very "who sees who first".

Welcome to realism.

Let's get something straight here. Realism has no say in video game worlds. Bad Company 2 was not going for realism. Anyone who tells you different is a prat.

The moment a game focuses on "let's make this realistic" is the moment camping in video games is no longer frowned upon. And it is not "who sees who first" in the good way. Its basically the "well, I'm dead now because the amount of effort it will inevitably take me to turn around and then correct the overturning because of the shitty controls so I can actually have a chance of taking him on because he has already won. Thanks sniper on my team for sniping." In "real life", I wouldn't have to adjust myself and accidentally over exert my energy and look in the complete opposite directions. I wouldn't be fighting Russians and I wouldn't know how to drive every single war vhehical in the game.

Until that shit gets fixed, Battlefield will not be able to efficiently last in this next gen era with the big wigs like CoD and Halo.

 

[Zhukov]

There's nothing wrong with trying to challenge Call of Duty.

Things start to stagnate when developers all try and clone Call of Duty.

 

[voetballeeuw]

Woah, hold up. Are you calling BC2 a bland imitation of MW2? The Battlefield series came out before Call of Duty. Battlefield has pioneered multiplayer matches.

 

[Iwata]

Woah, hold up. Are you calling BC2 a bland imitation of MW2? The Battlefield series came out before Call of Duty. Battlefield has pioneered multiplayer matches.

Pioneered and constantly perfected. It's the only multiplayer series I find to be remotely bearable.