stop World War 2 in as few steps as possible
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Listen to J.M Keynes when they were writing the Treaty of Versailles. Then it all would have been avoided because Germany wouldn't have payed as much in reparations and there would have been less support for Hitler as the economy would have been in better conidition. If the Nationalist-Socialist Party didn't get power then Germany could be eliminated from the equation and even if Italy still became Fascist it would have failed horribly in the war. Germany had to come to Italy's aid every time it tried anything when the war began. This would also damage Japan in the war, since Japan relied heavily on Germany's industrial power and workforce (tripartite pact: Germany, Italy and Japan agreed to aid each other economically. Germany was the strongest and the other two relied heavily on it, particularly Japan). However, that would have possibly made the USSR more powerful. Stalin's third Five Year Plan was focusing on rearming Russia and rebuilding the army after the Purges, but was cut short by Operation Barbarossa. Germany was a catalyst in causing Russia to rearm so quickly. If Germany was eliminated from the war then there is a strong possibility that Stalin would have had more time to consolidate his power without having to rush.
Particularly the last part. The League of Nations was really just a load of horseshite.Keava said:
Prevent the Treaty of Versailles. No Treaty, no economic collapse in Germany, no war.
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Profit.
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Profit.
Hold on, Germany didn't really start WWI. Technically yes, but they had no choice. Every state in Europe including Russia had just declared war on them. The Germans just had the forsight to have a plan ready should it come to that (the Schlieffen Plan) and carried it out ASAP.The Unworthy Gentleman said:
Besides, hatred between these European superpowers ran so deep that total war would have been inevitable, no matter what.
Several people have suggested making the Treaty of Versailles less strict. This would never fly with the allies: countries who have lost millions of citizens are going to demand something in return. So, I would argue going in the other direction: make it more severe. Don't simply extract reparations and impose military limits no one cares enough to enforce, but parade British, French, and American troops through German cities, Berlin in particular.
In other words, leave no doubt in anyone's mind the Germany was defeated on the battlefield, not brought down from within by a conspiracy of liberals/communists/Jews. Leave no basis for Hitler to build his myth of a victorious army betrayed by its commanders on.
There still might be a major war in Europe, but it will be one for territory, not for racial annihilation. Less bloody all around.
As for the Pacific... I leave that to people with more knowledge of pre-war Japan to answer.
In other words, leave no doubt in anyone's mind the Germany was defeated on the battlefield, not brought down from within by a conspiracy of liberals/communists/Jews. Leave no basis for Hitler to build his myth of a victorious army betrayed by its commanders on.
There still might be a major war in Europe, but it will be one for territory, not for racial annihilation. Less bloody all around.
As for the Pacific... I leave that to people with more knowledge of pre-war Japan to answer.
As one of the first homospaiens in East Africa: Kill all my friends.
No humanity. No Wars.
Or if you're the "Intelligent Design" type.......Well, A) I pity you. And B) Kill Eve or something.
No humanity. No Wars.
Or if you're the "Intelligent Design" type.......Well, A) I pity you. And B) Kill Eve or something.
I honestly don't think that was as big of a factor as people seem to think. That is to say, I think he probably would have gone into politics and oppressed everyone and their brother who wasn't Aryan and had zero leadership skills beyond incredible charisma, even if he'd gotten into art school. He'd just have been a retarded-yet-charismatic dictator who could draw.Who Dares Wins said:
Granted, I can't actually prove that, I'm just a cynic.
OT: I would turn Franz Ferdinand's corpse into a comical puppet, with which I would convince people that he's not dead for long enough to forestall the first World War. This somehow derails history in such a way that the second one doesn't happen either, and Hitler and Mussolini form a polka band together that becomes incredibly popular in America, singlehandedly dragging the country out of the Great Depression through the power of music. Somehow.
I wouldn't go as far as say it was non factor in terms of WW2. Spanish Civil war was between Franco's nationalist and Spanish Republic government supported by Soviet Union. Most of western governments did nothing to stop the nationalist movement, and even more so some of the bigger concerns from US supported Franco. It was pretty much a prelude to what happened later and a great test field for new ways of warfare for both Nazi's and Soviet Union.zombie711 said:
Killing a leader is never good way out really, too many variables come into play after that. Even if Tsardom would collapse before being reformed into Russian Empire you can't say for sure any other force wouldn't use it as a trampoline for their own grow to power. The situation before WW2 was so complicated that the start of the War was rather question of "when it will happen" rather than "will it happen"
They didn't really start much. I was focusing on the alliance with Austria that would have left Germany out of this mix of it all. I don't know every alliance in the book, but if the Kaiser was dead, then they wouldn't have funded Austria and their attack on Serbia and then if WW1 still happened, Germany would be in a different position, possibly not even involved.NicolasMarinus said:
Get all the leaders to surrender to Hitler immediately?
You wanted it over quick, you didn't say 'well'
Alternatively, sneak back thru time and give him a bacon sandwich, if he'd had more bacon he might have been less angry, I've known a few veggies in my time and they can get reaaaal touchy. (I'll guess in advance you can see below my post for proof )
Or to be more paradoxical, set up some contrived scenario where in the late 1930s a jew and a black guy come from the future to save Hitler's life, might change his viewpoint, knowing that his plans might wipe out the grandparents of the people that saved him, meaning they wouldn't exist to save him.
You wanted it over quick, you didn't say 'well'
Alternatively, sneak back thru time and give him a bacon sandwich, if he'd had more bacon he might have been less angry, I've known a few veggies in my time and they can get reaaaal touchy. (I'll guess in advance you can see below my post for proof
)Or to be more paradoxical, set up some contrived scenario where in the late 1930s a jew and a black guy come from the future to save Hitler's life, might change his viewpoint, knowing that his plans might wipe out the grandparents of the people that saved him, meaning they wouldn't exist to save him.
