Straight Guy in Wafflehouse beat down for homophobic slur

[ramboondiea]

this isn't even remotely true, not under any legal jurisdiction, self-defence is the application of justifiable force against an unjust threat. this is the underlying rational of the defence and is pretty much the same where ever you look. so in that her attacking him and him being literally surrounded his actions were totally justified

Again, I didn't watch the video, but my point is a Slap is less than a Punch. If he was only slapped, then, if he punches, that's escalation, not rational or justifiable defense. So him trying to punch her for her slapping him is not self defense, even by your definition above. He could SLAP her back, but not punch her back.

And if the slap/punch were between her and him, then him being surrounded doesn't have anything to do with it. If he tried to punch the people surrounding him, then that's different, but that's not the impression I got from the other comments here on the Escapist. Again, since I'm ONLY replying to the comments here on the Escapist, I may have an incorrect impression of events, but that's all I've got to work with at the moment.

My point is, getting slapped isn't anything that needs "self defense" - it's not a threat to one's person. The rest, maybe, but a slap? No.

a slap is still physical harm and can do alot of damage, and it still is a crime, you are entitled by law to use force in such an instance, whether it be a punch a slap a kick or even a piece of 2x4, he was being physically threatened and he retaliated, with what is in my opinion reasonable force after the women attacks him.

also I will give you a quick overview of what sin the video for context: the man is being held against a wall by one of the men who later attacks him, and by held i mean elbow across the neck, he continues to gob of at the group until the women hits him in the face, at which point he lashes out to hit her backwards where the group that was surrounding him moves in to beat him down.

Now I don't know how the situation escalated, and i do believe them man shouldn't have been gobbing off to the group, it was certainly a poor decision on his part, but they were no way justified in what they did, and his punch was completely justified

 

[NLS]

Meanwhile, in eastern europe this happens on a daily basis. Except it's the other way around, and they don't get any news coverage on it.

 

[Cyrus Hanley]

I don't know if anyone else noticed, but it looks like at 0:12 the guy actually touched the woman first. He reached and touched her, then backed off when he realized she was about to retaliate.

Anyway both sides were at fault. The guy shouldn't have been spouting off and touching the woman, the woman shouldn't have started slapping him like that (she could have just shouted "Don't you touch me!") and the other men shouldn't have joined in.

That wasn't a beating, they slapped him.

Slapped.

Who the fuck slaps?

Gay people?

But you're right this wasn't so much a beatdown as a slapdown.

 

[DugMachine]

Anytime I hear about fights over WORDS I just sigh and walk away.

Both parties were stupid and they should feel bad.

 

[JochemHippie]

Over 9000 slaps of death...

Seriously who fights like that? XD

 

[GistoftheFist]

Actually if you pause the video at the 00:12 second mark, you see he reaches out and hits/touches her first so no he wasn't attacked by the woman first. These kinds of videos are common on WSHH, although I was surprised this one didn't include the cameraman showing his face for a brief flash and it didn't have someone chanting "Worldstar!" every five seconds.

Also, those were some weak-ass strikes, looked like they were brushing dandruff off him.

 

[Twilight_guy]

A group of people beat one guy up over his beliefs and thoughts. This is not cool, no matter what said beliefs and thoughts were and this is not how one shows disapproval.

 

[Bara_no_Hime]

a slap is still physical harm and can do alot of damage, and it still is a crime, you are entitled by law to use force in such an instance, whether it be a punch a slap a kick or even a piece of 2x4, he was being physically threatened and he retaliated, with what is in my opinion reasonable force after the women attacks him.

Regular slap or back-hand slap (aka "***** slap")? Because I've never heard of an open palm slap to the cheek doing any harm aside from a brief, stinging pain unless rings or nails were involved. I can't imagine anyone feeling seriously threatened by that kind of slap.

On the other hand, a back-hand knuckle slap can do serious damage. A back-hand slap is basically a punch. THAT would be a threat, but I've never heard that kind of hit referred to as just a "slap" - it is usually specified as a back-hand slap or "***** slap."

also I will give you a quick overview of what sin the video for context: the man is being held against a wall by one of the men who later attacks him, and by held i mean elbow across the neck, he continues to gob of at the group until the women hits him in the face, at which point he lashes out to hit her backwards where the group that was surrounding him moves in to beat him down.

Wait, he already had the arm under his neck when he was slapped? I thought that came after he threw the punch.

So the video starts with him already up against the wall? The viewer never sees how he got there? That makes it sound like the fight was already in progress when someone started filming it.

Also - and this is more personal confusion than anything else - why would you try to punch the person who slapped you and no the person who was in the process of choking you? An elbow across one's neck is danger to one's life, and certainly worthy provocation.

Meh. Fights are generally pretty stupid. It sounds like they all committed assault at one point or another during the altercation. I officially no longer care. And anyway, it's time to go watch Movie Bob.

 

[Kennetic]

World Star Hip Hop is probably the most degenerate website on the face of the planet.

 

[BloatedGuppy]

I can't stand it when some broad thinks that she's tough shit...

Seriously? Are you a 1940's film noir detective?

OT:

1. It's cathartic to see an asshole get his comeuppance.
2. Sadly, everyone else appears to be an asshole too. What was that, 4 on 1? 5 on 1? Cowards.

It really wasn't much of a beating, mind you. It looked like he was on fire and they were trying to put it out.

 

[ramboondiea]

Regular slap or back-hand slap (aka "***** slap")? Because I've never heard of an open palm slap to the cheek doing any harm aside from a brief, stinging pain unless rings or nails were involved. I can't imagine anyone feeling seriously threatened by that kind of slap.

On the other hand, a back-hand knuckle slap can do serious damage. A back-hand slap is basically a punch. THAT would be a threat, but I've never heard that kind of hit referred to as just a "slap" - it is usually specified as a back-hand slap or "***** slap."

an open palm slap and back hand will generally do the same amount of damage, the difference usually being how much it hurts the attacker, an open palm slap will hurt more just because the palm is more sensitive, thats why it is easier to just backhand someone. but a i cant stress this enough, a slap can be just as dangerous as a punch, its just not as practical to use in a fight, it looks like she just catches him of guard, but looks like there may have been a bit of force behind it because she was moving into the slap, likely didnt cause to much damage, but still an assault and battery (at least under uk law, not sure where they draw the line in what ever state this happened in)

Wait, he already had the arm under his neck when he was slapped? I thought that came after he threw the punch.

So the video starts with him already up against the wall? The viewer never sees how he got there? That makes it sound like the fight was already in progress when someone started filming it.

Also - and this is more personal confusion than anything else - why would you try to punch the person who slapped you and no the person who was in the process of choking you? An elbow across one's neck is danger to one's life, and certainly worthy provocation.

Meh. Fights are generally pretty stupid. It sounds like they all committed assault at one point or another during the altercation. I officially no longer care. And anyway, it's time to go watch Movie Bob.

and yes, the video starts with the man being pushed against the wall, with one of the other men with his arm against the man's neck, the reason he didnt attack the man was that he had his arm there to keep him back, not in a choking manner just a restraining manner, he then lets him go telling him to shut up and keeps covering his mouth, the man continues to shout stuff when the women moves in to slap him, he then pushes of the wall to hit her, where the other over guys (i think 4-5, didnt count) knock him to the floor to slap and hit him, which goes on for about 30 seconds or so).

 

[BloatedGuppy]

I don't think physically or even verbally attacking him does anything to fix the situation but will only breed further contempt."

Nonsense. Hollywood aptly demonstrates that if you beat a bully in a physical contest, he will say "You're alright!" shortly before handing you the trophy for the 84 All Valley Karate Championship.

 

[Jegsimmons]

Yeah....this is uncommon to hear about. A straight guy in a Wafflehouse was in a conflict with a group of gay men for using the word "******". After a bit of yelling a he is pushed by a woman and reaches out to slap her. The group of men then proceeds to get beat him up:[link]http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshh3070esatamMh4A1b[/link]


With 'mob justice' and equal rights being kind of popular on the forums recently, I'd like to know your thoughts on the manner.

In my opinion this is weird to comment on. You almost never hear of a person being confronted much less beat up for homophobic remarks.

mob justice?
he got beaten up for useing a word, that assault.
yes the word ****** is offensive (why i have no idea, it barely even describes gay people anymore, its more or less used to describe assholes) but words are words.

no body in this was in the right

hell, i dont care if someone starts yelling anti-christian anti-white slurs in front of me, ill just ignoring them and let them look like an asshole instead of assaulting them and being wrong myself.