Student Suspended for wearing a dress.

[Noctangelus]

"ignorant troglodyte on the internet"

Oxymoron Much?

 

[CrazyCapnMorgan]

Here's my question to all of this:

Why do we laugh and joke about Ozzy Ozbourne and Dennis Rodman wearing dresses, but vilify people without fame who do the same thing? I do so love these standards we make for ourselves.

And, if you're going to vilify men who cross-dress, I'd love to see someone attempt to vilify Eddie Izzard. By my standards, he's the only one who does good comedy in high heels.

EDIT: Another thing I just thought of, why is it considered perfectly normal for two grown men to fight in a sport that involves winning a purse? Just wonderin'...

 

[GamerPhate]

To conform is to make the same. Sexism then is an enemy of conformity, thus the school is against conforming.

Gender roles =/= sexism. Blokes shouldn't wear dresses.

Actually gender roles are the highest form of sexism.

Misogyny? Come on. I personally don't have any misgivings with gender roles at all, until they become compulsory. Unfortunately, that's very very often. Kill your own damned spiders!

Not mysogyny. I find nowadays gender roles hurt men more than women. Its weirder for men to wear skirts than women to wear pants, which 50 or so years ago would be crossdressing.

But that would be asuming that gender roles are hundred percent culturally based and not have some biological component.

Using the "born ghey" retort? I suppose people are the way they are raised. I don't think it has anything to do with biology. Except for the fact that I do believe that some of the experiences that we have are passed onto the next generation, perhaps an explanation as to how animals have intuition, or the notion that the younger generations are born knowing to text or have some tech savy. If your dad did it, maybe you might? But moresoe, if dad is OKAY with it, than you have all your ambition to do what you want to do! And what kid doesn't want to do what ever they want? If kids got to do what they wanted, everyone would be a firefighter, astronaut, and president from birth. I mean it is like the parents that were kewl with their kids tapping it. If you are okay with it, and the outcome of said situations, than fine! Just don't be surprised at the outcomes is all I am saying.

 

[Choppaduel]

Public schools run by prejudiced, intolerant idiots

not big suprise

 

[spacepope22]

I'm guessing that he was suspended just due to the fact that he was disrupting his class. I mean, how much work would the other students get done with him in the class. I don't think it had anything to do with gender roles.

 

[GamerPhate]

Here's my question to all of this:

Why do we laugh and joke about Ozzy Ozbourne and Dennis Rodman wearing dresses, but vilify people without fame who do the same thing? I do so love these standards we make for ourselves.

And, if you're going to vilify men who cross-dress, I'd love to see someone attempt to vilify Eddie Izzard. By my standards, he's the only one who does good comedy in high heels.

Here is why...

High School Never Ends (to quote a song)

The popular kids can do what ever they want! The masses are left to conform or be left behind. Also akin to High School "Powder Puff" events, where you take what is SUPPOSE to be the manliest men of the school, dressed as froo froo as possible. WTF! If THAT is okay.. why isn't everything else? Because ONLY the cool kids get to do what they want, you don't have enough money or clout to buy your way out of trouble like them, so get back in line you are free to do as we tell you.

 

[faceless chick]

wait, it was a CHALLENGE to wear the dress/high-heels. it's not "him being himself" at all, so his mother isn't right. i don't believe he's a cross-dresser, just a general 'tard who wants to be noticed very badly.
also, what kind of mother lets her son go to school in a dress/high-heels? does she not have a brain?? what, she didn't think it could go wrong in any way? what retard community did she grow up in to not know that'd not go unnoticed?


as for the suspension, i can see WHY the school would be upset seeing a boy in a dress and high-heels, but for the whole YEAR? oh come on! big deal.. so the girls at my school came with skirts so short you'd see their asses if they bent over to touch their knees and they'd be ok, but a dress is "omg burn the heathen!!!!!"

seriously america..

 

[Torrasque]

To conform is to make the same. Sexism then is an enemy of conformity, thus the school is against conforming.

Gender roles =/= sexism. Blokes shouldn't wear dresses.

And why not?
Because they are girl clothes?

 

[Mr. Eff_v1legacy]

What a bunch of crap. This guy was undertaking a challenge, and he should be commended for it.
I, for one, wouldn't have been bothered to see this.
And to bar him from going to the dance, too? That's just rough.


Shame on the staff of Sedgwick Junior High School.

 

[Wuvlycuddles]

Schools, no sense of humour.

And I can sympathise, me and my buddy got sent home for wearing drag on a CHARITY NON UNIFORM DAY. Yeh, so dresses for charity and we get sent home and given lunch detention for a week.

 

[Abedecain]

I am glad to see males, for whatever reason, fighting against gender sterotypes in school.

I remember in my catholic school that girls were not allowed to wear dresses because, I quote "Trousers would encourage girls to participate in rough and dangerous activities like football and rugby". And they wonder why pupils coming out of Catholics schools become atheists.

 

[Goldeneye1989]

Ive got an idea for him, Make another dress but have the material printed on the Declaration of Independence. And a handbag with the discrimination federal codes on it on one side and state policy on the other.

 

[remnant_phoenix]

As a secondary teacher, I have to say that I don't blame the school for what they did. First off, all schools that I know of have a clause in the dress code saying something along the lines of "any manner of dress that is disruptive to the learning environment will not be tolerated."

I can assure you that if a ninth grade boy walked into my classroom dressed like that, the response from the students would be such that it would make the day's education impossible.

Let me make a couple things perfectly clear...
-I am ALL FOR challenging and questioning social norms.
-I am ALL FOR freedom of expression.

Regardless, if something is causing a severe disruption in the classroom, that thing must be removed so that the education process can continue. This is a basic classroom management principle that all experienced teachers understand.

Maybe one day we'll live a world where people won't care about the gender socialization surrounding certain manners of dress. Until then, behavior like this is a major disruption, and major disruptions have to be eliminated for education to function.

While I think the school's initial reaction and punishment were too harsh and most likely based on sexuality/gender discrimination, I have no pity for this kid or anyone who doesn't have enough common sense pragmatism to understand this basic educational principle: wanton disruption, regardless of the reason behind it, is impasse to a school functioning the way that it's supposed to. Expecting the entire school to "just deal with it" because you want to do something that is disruptive is, to be blunt, self-absorbed and short-sighted.

It's really simple. In this instance, pragmatism wins. Education is suffering enough as it is. We don't need ridiculousness like this fudging it up even more.

 

[GamerPhate]

*sigh* Not only are people being suspended for not dressing in accordance with their assigned gender, but now us gender-queer are being used as a cheap ploy to garner attention. This is really just too disappointing.

Well, you know what they say, news is news. Even if the outcome of the story isn't how you would like it to be, the fact that a news outlet published or spent time on this, means you guys have slowly started to win. Don't look at stories like this as a letdown. The fact that people are even debating this sort of thing means that some level of society has been perpetrated compared to 10, 20, or 50 years ago.

Think of it like this. Think of it like Cheech and Chong. SHURE they aren't the BEST spokesmen for convicing politicians into passing pro-hemp legistlature. However, the fact that they MADE movies on the subjects got society talking about the concept.

Change takes a LONG, LONG, time. Especially socio-change. So, be happy over this, really. This making news is like Will and Grace being on TV. It isn't the greatest thing, but its a step into the converstaion.

 

[Goldeneye103X2]

Do they have a relative with the first name of Dino, I wonder....

Sorry, appaling joke. But yeah, uniform rules are stupid. A kid over here in Britain wore a skirt to school to highlight a loophole in his schools dress code saying that boys couldn't wear shorts, but girls could wear skirts.

 

[Labyrinth]

Gender roles =/= sexism. Blokes shouldn't wear dresses.

Sexism is discrimination based on sex and gender.
Men are denied dress-wearing opportunities due to their gender.
Therefore, it's sexism. It's normalised, socially accepted sexism, but sexism none the less. Where do you think your assumption that dresses shouldn't be worn by men comes from save socialised, normalised assumption on what is masculine? There is nothing intrinsic about a dress that would assign it to female wear, it's a social construction.

 

[GamerPhate]

I am glad to see males, for whatever reason, fighting against gender sterotypes in school.

I remember in my catholic school that girls were not allowed to wear dresses because, I quote "Trousers would encourage girls to participate in rough and dangerous activities like football and rugby". And they wonder why pupils coming out of Catholics schools become atheists.

Atheist...really? I would say MAYBE agnostic, but atheist? I suppose if you are forced into ANYTHING, the opposite seems logical. But if you had an upbrining of religion, you would imagine that at least you would be agnostic in the sense that you could say MAYBE there is a God, but MAYBE there isn't. But to go through all that and be SURE there isn't a God, seems a bit opposite from the whole concept of forcing someone into a relgion.

But again, that is the whole thing! People that are forced to be something they are not, will not be that. Such as the concept of the dad that has some business and wants his kid to do the same thing, but perhaps the kid isn't into accounting or maybe the logical half of their brain maybe less developed, and their creative side might be more pronounced. It would be a shame to squish their potential by forcing them to crunch numbers, when they might be the next person to come up with a theory or scientic possiblity that seemed "impossible" or "unconventional".

This makes me think of Gatica in a way. You are somewhat destined to be what you are going to be, but society can try to conform you into something else.

 

[EHKOS]

And this is why I mow the lawn in a Dr. Suess Cat in the Hat hat... FUCK CONFORMING!

 

[Vrach]

Sue that school into the stone age. It seems to be the only way American idiots with any semblance of authority can learn.

[small]disclaimer: The above doesn't imply all Americans are idiots, the above is aimed at the group of idiots who also happen to be American[/small]