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lithium.jelly said:
Of course, I'm outraged on his behalf, just like most people here, but I particularly liked this:

""I was pretty," said Saurs."

That's just adorable.
That made me laugh too. I immediately pictured a guy in a dress with a 'Me Gusta' face saying it.

Oh yes, before I forget; expression of frustration, indignant assertion, sarcastic statement.

This is bullshit, people get hung up over the silliest things these days, school needs to realise it's 2011 not the 1800's, respectively.
 

Zeema

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i thought American was 'the land of the free'

but then again i've never met a Free Country

He should not have been Suspended
 

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Saelune said:
funguy2121 said:
Saelune said:
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TU4AR said:
Saelune said:
To conform is to make the same. Sexism then is an enemy of conformity, thus the school is against conforming.
Gender roles =/= sexism. Blokes shouldn't wear dresses.
Actually gender roles are the highest form of sexism.
Misogyny? Come on. I personally don't have any misgivings with gender roles at all, until they become compulsory. Unfortunately, that's very very often. Kill your own damned spiders!
Not mysogyny. I find nowadays gender roles hurt men more than women. Its weirder for men to wear skirts than women to wear pants, which 50 or so years ago would be crossdressing.
They don't really help any. Damned shame most of us are scared shitless of feminists.
Im not quite sure exactly your view on this. Im getting mixed messeges.
Sorry. Too much caffeine of late translates to sleep deprivation, so I'm not surprised if I sound a little incoherent.

I mentioned misogyny because I view it as a "higher" (more severe) form of sexism than gender roles (chauvinism). I'm definitely not on board with the fuck gender! crowd; I rather like quite a bit about being a member of my gender and some of the interactions I have with persons of the opposite gender, without regard for whether these fall under a "traditional" heading or not. Obligatory gender roles, however, disgust me. Not killing spiders for women was a joke, but I'm not interested in giving a woman my money unless I'm truly impressed. I like women who work and I can't stand a lot of the bullshit that both genders put up with on a regular basis because of relationship-killing expectations. Most men are more intimidated by feminism than just about anything else (not me), and don't want to hear it when you tell them that gender roles are bad for everyone, dudes included.
 

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I hate that. I've seen so much of that kind of stuff about students being punished for nothing, and even in my schools government class we basically learned that we, as students, have no rights. these school rules suck... alot.
 

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funguy2121 said:
Saelune said:
funguy2121 said:
Saelune said:
funguy2121 said:
Saelune said:
TU4AR said:
Saelune said:
To conform is to make the same. Sexism then is an enemy of conformity, thus the school is against conforming.
Gender roles =/= sexism. Blokes shouldn't wear dresses.
Actually gender roles are the highest form of sexism.
Misogyny? Come on. I personally don't have any misgivings with gender roles at all, until they become compulsory. Unfortunately, that's very very often. Kill your own damned spiders!
Not mysogyny. I find nowadays gender roles hurt men more than women. Its weirder for men to wear skirts than women to wear pants, which 50 or so years ago would be crossdressing.
They don't really help any. Damned shame most of us are scared shitless of feminists.
Im not quite sure exactly your view on this. Im getting mixed messeges.
Sorry. Too much caffeine of late translates to sleep deprivation, so I'm not surprised if I sound a little incoherent.

I mentioned misogyny because I view it as a "higher" (more severe) form of sexism than gender roles (chauvinism). I'm definitely not on board with the fuck gender! crowd; I rather like quite a bit about being a member of my gender and some of the interactions I have with persons of the opposite gender, without regard for whether these fall under a "traditional" heading or not. Obligatory gender roles, however, disgust me. Not killing spiders for women was a joke, but I'm not interested in giving a woman my money unless I'm truly impressed. I like women who work and I can't stand a lot of the bullshit that both genders put up with on a regular basis because of relationship-killing expectations. Most men are more intimidated by feminism than just about anything else (not me), and don't want to hear it when you tell them that gender roles are bad for everyone, dudes included.
Well, ok, misogyny and such may be "higher" but gender roles are worse if only because they are accepted as ok by society at large. If a man beats his wife, and gets caught, he is gonna get in trouble. Ofcourse, if a woman beats his husband, thats another story. One that breaks gender roles and is more liely to be disbelieved because of that.
 

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This is Retarded.......

Its not like the the kid was like "LOL LOOK AT ME IN A DRESS ITS SO QUEER! FAGS ARE DUMB LOL"

And the Kid isnt some Gender confused boy being singled out by his school.

What ever he got 3 days suspention for doing a dare that his mom set... My moms dared me to do stupid shit to.
NOONE CARES!!
The kid and the mother dont care. All that happened was the kid got caught being a ass THATS ALL
Hmm, by your quote, it appears that only homo-phobes would dress in dresses to proclaim that "ugh, everyone is ghey but meh". Also, the guy wore makeup and a hat before, so its not like the guy hasn't contemplated gender issues in the past. By wearing a dress you could not proclaim "gays wear dresses", because you yourself were wearing one, but on the other side of the coin, by actually going through with it, you would likely have SOME desire to wear female clothes. Although modern studies have found that most cross dressers are straight. For example, Ru Paul, the fairly known drag-queen from the 60's, has a wife and kids, although I have heard (and i can't find anything to prove this on wiki or something) that Rupaul had his ... parts altered to be able pull off a more convincing chick. That being said, perhaps he is just REALLY good with duct tape or something, but as far as the rumor goes, he had modifications after he had created his family to be a bit more convincing female. But my point is that, regardless of what you wear, you aren't gay or straight. But you might have afflictions towards one type of garb or another.
 

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Dags90 said:
funguy2121 said:
The kid was looking for attention, and he got it. He was looking to stir up trouble. I could care less if I see a guy walking down the street in a dress and I don't care if they allow it at school, but he's gotten into trouble for violating the dress code, he appeared in drag and was punished (it was reduced to 3 days' suspension) and then said that this makes him want to be more subversive. I'm guessing even if Moms hadn't complained about her feet hurting he still would have worn the dress to school.
As it says in the original article, there's nothing in the student handbook about dresses not being in the dress code for boys. That's one of the worst parts about this story. The message the school is effectively sending to the students is "written rules don't matter because we can arbitrarily make new ones mid-game".

They're being that kid on the playground.
Oh, I'm not arguing. There's something about the American school system that continues to produce this bullshit. A decade and a half ago, I was victim to Texas' brand-new zero tolerance policy, so if I shoved a guy off me while he was wailing on me, and he didn't cop to hitting me (with bruises and broken skin clearly in place), I get suspension and he walks.

I don't care as much about the plight of this kid, though, as it doesn't sound like he's really fighting for something. If I had more info and knew, for example, that he was considering transitioning, then I'd care a lot more. But all we've heard from him is that he wants to do new and outlandish things. This doesn't mean that I'm no longer a proponent of free speech
 

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Saelune said:
funguy2121 said:
Saelune said:
funguy2121 said:
Saelune said:
funguy2121 said:
Saelune said:
TU4AR said:
Saelune said:
To conform is to make the same. Sexism then is an enemy of conformity, thus the school is against conforming.
Gender roles =/= sexism. Blokes shouldn't wear dresses.
Actually gender roles are the highest form of sexism.
Misogyny? Come on. I personally don't have any misgivings with gender roles at all, until they become compulsory. Unfortunately, that's very very often. Kill your own damned spiders!
Not mysogyny. I find nowadays gender roles hurt men more than women. Its weirder for men to wear skirts than women to wear pants, which 50 or so years ago would be crossdressing.
They don't really help any. Damned shame most of us are scared shitless of feminists.
Im not quite sure exactly your view on this. Im getting mixed messeges.
Sorry. Too much caffeine of late translates to sleep deprivation, so I'm not surprised if I sound a little incoherent.

I mentioned misogyny because I view it as a "higher" (more severe) form of sexism than gender roles (chauvinism). I'm definitely not on board with the fuck gender! crowd; I rather like quite a bit about being a member of my gender and some of the interactions I have with persons of the opposite gender, without regard for whether these fall under a "traditional" heading or not. Obligatory gender roles, however, disgust me. Not killing spiders for women was a joke, but I'm not interested in giving a woman my money unless I'm truly impressed. I like women who work and I can't stand a lot of the bullshit that both genders put up with on a regular basis because of relationship-killing expectations. Most men are more intimidated by feminism than just about anything else (not me), and don't want to hear it when you tell them that gender roles are bad for everyone, dudes included.
Well, ok, misogyny and such may be "higher" but gender roles are worse if only because they are accepted as ok by society at large. If a man beats his wife, and gets caught, he is gonna get in trouble. Ofcourse, if a woman beats his husband, thats another story. One that breaks gender roles and is more liely to be disbelieved because of that.
Egregiousness vs prevalence due to social acceptance. Alright, that's pretty damned hard to argue with.

OP: does it lend me any credibility if I have myself dressed in drag (makeup, dress and nails)...for Rocky Horror?

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I am ashamed of my state of residence. This is freaking stupid. It's a damn piece of clothing, deal with it.
This. We really need to focus on things that matter. A boy in a dress does not matter. At all. I'm sorry your state is retarded, but then again, I live in California and we're dumb enough to pass Proposition 8. *shakes head* This country has so many issues...
 

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funguy2121 said:
Dags90 said:
funguy2121 said:
The kid was looking for attention, and he got it. He was looking to stir up trouble. I could care less if I see a guy walking down the street in a dress and I don't care if they allow it at school, but he's gotten into trouble for violating the dress code, he appeared in drag and was punished (it was reduced to 3 days' suspension) and then said that this makes him want to be more subversive. I'm guessing even if Moms hadn't complained about her feet hurting he still would have worn the dress to school.
As it says in the original article, there's nothing in the student handbook about dresses not being in the dress code for boys. That's one of the worst parts about this story. The message the school is effectively sending to the students is "written rules don't matter because we can arbitrarily make new ones mid-game".

They're being that kid on the playground.
Oh, I'm not arguing. There's something about the American school system that continues to produce this bullshit. A decade and a half ago, I was victim to Texas' brand-new zero tolerance policy, so if I shoved a guy off me while he was wailing on me, and he didn't cop to hitting me (with bruises and broken skin clearly in place), I get suspension and he walks.

I don't care as much about the plight of this kid, though, as it doesn't sound like he's really fighting for something. If I had more info and knew, for example, that he was considering transitioning, then I'd care a lot more. But all we've heard from him is that he wants to do new and outlandish things. This doesn't mean that I'm no longer a proponent of free speech
He may not have anything truly at stake here, but so what? As someone who wants equallity, I cant just fight for only myself. While Im more likey to care about my rights first, would it only help if I were to say march for black rights too, despite not being black? Sure I doubt he truly has equallity at large on his mind, but if something good comes from it, then is that so bad?
 

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TU4AR said:
Labyrinth said:
Ohhhh yay, masculinity. Women are congratulated for wearing pants while men are vilified for wearing dresses. I think it's screwed up and fundamentally flawed.
...since when?

Also men wearing dresses is gross bro.
http://www.kiltmen.com/celeb-connery2.JPG

I would advise you to never visit Glasgow and say that.

OT: Why does society still get caught up in this pre wired mind set, there isn't anything wrong with a guy wearing a dress anymore than there is a woman wearing trousers.
 

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funguy2121 said:
Saelune said:
funguy2121 said:
Saelune said:
funguy2121 said:
Saelune said:
TU4AR said:
Saelune said:
To conform is to make the same. Sexism then is an enemy of conformity, thus the school is against conforming.
Gender roles =/= sexism. Blokes shouldn't wear dresses.
Actually gender roles are the highest form of sexism.
Misogyny? Come on. I personally don't have any misgivings with gender roles at all, until they become compulsory. Unfortunately, that's very very often. Kill your own damned spiders!
Not mysogyny. I find nowadays gender roles hurt men more than women. Its weirder for men to wear skirts than women to wear pants, which 50 or so years ago would be crossdressing.
They don't really help any. Damned shame most of us are scared shitless of feminists.
Im not quite sure exactly your view on this. Im getting mixed messeges.
Sorry. Too much caffeine of late translates to sleep deprivation, so I'm not surprised if I sound a little incoherent.

I mentioned misogyny because I view it as a "higher" (more severe) form of sexism than gender roles (chauvinism). I'm definitely not on board with the fuck gender! crowd; I rather like quite a bit about being a member of my gender and some of the interactions I have with persons of the opposite gender, without regard for whether these fall under a "traditional" heading or not. Obligatory gender roles, however, disgust me. Not killing spiders for women was a joke, but I'm not interested in giving a woman my money unless I'm truly impressed. I like women who work and I can't stand a lot of the bullshit that both genders put up with on a regular basis because of relationship-killing expectations. Most men are more intimidated by feminism than just about anything else (not me), and don't want to hear it when you tell them that gender roles are bad for everyone, dudes included.
My brother's soon to be ex-wife slightly scares me. I heard stories from him that she abused him, but I had NO idea how far it went. She is very TALL and a bit hefty, a broad girl, still atttractive mind you but in that I will kick your-arse sort of way, probably double my weight in girth. And my brother is a beanpole and very lean, so she has quite a bit more mass when it comes to a combat situation. That being said, my brother refused to offer an attack back any time she hit him due to old time chivelry. He just accepted the beatings knowing that if he did ANYTHING back, it would instantly be a domestic abuse charge, and he would be the one being hauled off, even though he was likely the one with the black eye defending himself :(
 

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Saelune said:
Sure I doubt he truly has equallity at large on his mind, but if something good comes from it, then is that so bad?
No, and that's why everyone hates the Miranda rights. They were made to defend a convicted rapist!
 

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I don't think it's enough to deserve a suspension, but there is the possibility of people taking it too far.

Case in point, there's a guy at my Uni who walks around in a Japanese school girl uniform.
Complete with:
Massive tie thing.
Pigtails.
Mini-skirt.
Hello Kitty back-pack
Knee-High socks.
Beer belly.
Hairy Man-legs.
Hairy Man-arms.
Beard.

Nothing illegal with it, but still disturbing as hell to look at.
 

GamerPhate

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ThisIsSnake said:
TU4AR said:
Labyrinth said:
Ohhhh yay, masculinity. Women are congratulated for wearing pants while men are vilified for wearing dresses. I think it's screwed up and fundamentally flawed.
...since when?

Also men wearing dresses is gross bro.
http://www.kiltmen.com/celeb-connery2.JPG

I would advise you to never visit Glasgow and say that.

OT: Why does society still get caught up in this pre wired mind set, there isn't anything
wrong with a guy wearing a dress anymore than there is a woman wearing trousers.
Agreed.. However, there hasn't been a Men's Revolution yet. Woman had theirs. They can vote, and work, and wear pants now, and don't have to wear bras, which the later is fine by me. And yes, woman needed rights, don't get me wrong! But the economy took a flip since then. Double the amount of people in the workforce changed the value of the dollar overnight. Now men could no longer provide for their families, as they couldn't be paid as much as they use to, as now there was more supply for job placements than there had ever been. It was at this point, that the double income family started to take shape. If you wanted to not be poor, or barely scrapping by in middle class, both your parents now had to work full time jobs to make ends meet. Thus the downfall of society began, because as time went on, the latch-key kids generation was formed, and many kids grew up without a father or mother figure around when they needed them. If you look at nostalgia, you will find alot of people feel like the 50's was the pinicle of American home life, that all changed as the world changed. But back to the topic of girls in pants, they aren't as sexah as girls in dresses imo, but then again, I kind of prefer my girls to be girly instead of tom boyey, although I have dated many like that. But until men in the USA revolt against it, dresses are going to be taboo. Girls can dress like guys, but OMG .. if a guy dresses like a girl, society crumbles.
 

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since the school does have a ban on hats
What the hell kind of school is that?

Really, at my school, the teachers would probably just laugh and joke a bit around if a boy weared a dress. What is wrong with your schools, America?
 

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If he knowingly broke the dress code, he deserves it for making people aware of a 'cause' the wrong way.

If he didn't break the dress code, the school is in some wrong and so is the student. Sounds like an attention-whore as stated above.