Student Suspended for wearing a dress.

[Joshica Huracane]

I once wore a skirt and bikini top to school. This was part of our senior year's "slave day" in which we raise money for something or other, and whoever buys us can pretty much tell us what to do or wear. To a reasonable point, of course. I was HAWT.

But yea, this is just silly.. If a kid turns up to school in a dress and heels, embrace the weird, don't suspend him! =P

 

[Andy of Comix Inc]

I don't think it's enough to deserve a suspension, but there is the possibility of people taking it too far.

Case in point, there's a guy at my Uni who walks around in a Japanese school girl uniform.
Complete with:
Massive tie thing.
Pigtails.
Mini-skirt.
Hello Kitty back-pack
Knee-High socks.
Beer belly.
Hairy Man-legs.
Hairy Man-arms.
Beard.

Nothing illegal with it, but still disturbing as hell to look at.

I think you'll find it's the beer belly, hairy man-legs and arms, and beard that make that disturbing, not the outfit. You'd find it more disturbing if the guy was naked.

 

[automatron]

First of all, does the school have a dress code, and is it an only male school?
If the school has a uniform, then that makes sense. And if it's an only male school, I can kinda see the logic.
Otherwise, this is so stupid.

And yes, he does look pretty.

 

[GamerPhate]

I don't think it's enough to deserve a suspension, but there is the possibility of people taking it too far.

Case in point, there's a guy at my Uni who walks around in a Japanese school girl uniform.
Complete with:
Massive tie thing.
Pigtails.
Mini-skirt.
Hello Kitty back-pack
Knee-High socks.
Beer belly.
Hairy Man-legs.
Hairy Man-arms.
Beard.

Nothing illegal with it, but still disturbing as hell to look at.

While I support the rights of people to be who they would like to be, the beer gut and man hair is a BIT of an oversight. You would think they would know well enough to shave or be a BIT more convincing. But the ones that want to pull the man persona in female attire does have a creepy effect to it. Again I am with you on this, I respect people's rights to do what ever, but at least have the decency to pull it off. I mean, a 300 pound girl in the same outfit would likely give the same result as this guy.

 

[Shoqiyqa]

Now they're just dragging it into the media to be more like the attention whores they are.

Clearly, yes. There's no way anyone else at the school would have told the papers about it, directly or indirectly, because it really wasn't the sort of thing people even remember long enough to mention after school, and even if they had the papers wouldn't have bothered with such a pointless little story, focusing on just one child, when there are far more important things to report. Heck, he and his mother probably paid the media for all the coverage they're getting, as a kind of advertising in the hope that he'll get onto one of those shows like Celebrity Big Brother or something later in life.

If you think that was serious, your sarcasm detector is BUST.

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Without checking the URL, can you identify this [http://www.car-accidents.com/2007-crash-pics/princess-diana-crash-1-07.jpg] image? I don't think "attention whore" is an appropriate term there but there was certainly no shortage of attention.

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Kill your own damned spiders!

I *like* spiders!

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Just for the record, the Latin is et cetera, the abbreviation is etc or etc. and getting it wrong gives me a headache.

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Case in point, there's a guy at my Uni who walks around in a Japanese school girl uniform.
Complete with:
Massive tie thing.
Pigtails.
Mini-skirt.
Hello Kitty back-pack
Knee-High socks.
Beer belly.
Hairy Man-legs.
Hairy Man-arms.
Beard.

Nothing illegal with it, but still disturbing as hell to look at.

I think you'll find it's the beer belly, hairy man-legs and arms, and beard that make that disturbing, not the outfit. You'd find it more disturbing if the guy was naked.

I have to agree. Actually, the beer belly's the most disturbing part of the description, at least to me. I'm not fond of beards but they're not that bad.

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So I have no concern about "social justice" and "bullshit imposed roles" when there was no such context and all this ended up being is a massive distraction to the school and faculty so much so that the story became local and semi national news (via the internet) to the point were discussing it now. So yes, the school had every right to punish a student for causing such a pointless distraction just so he could "win a dare against his mom"

It's being discussed here because it's got so much attention because it's become a story because the school suspended him. A boy over here protested against his school's rules that allow girls to wear breezy skirts but don't allow boys to wear shorts by wearing a skirt in hot weather. He wasn't suspended. It still made the news, but really SO WHAT? Give it a few months and let's see whether anyone's grades suffered as a result, shall we?

 

[Kakashi on crack]

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Well, actually it is in the school code. Because almost every school code flat out states that if a figure of authority finds something a student is wearing to be offensive, or a distraction, then disciplinary actions can be taken. The suspension was fucked up, but the school kinda was within their rights.

In this case, I feel that the kid should have taken more action. If a guy wants to wear a dress, let him.

We don't have problems like that in Colorado, well, at least not at my school. GSA and all that shnizznit. It's pretty nice because even the strict conservatives are tolerant of our mixed community.

 

[Tourmeta]

Taboos people put on men I guess.
I always get these kind of news from the USA, I find that pretty odd.

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Remind me a little of this talk:
http://www.ted.com/talks/tony_porter_a_call_to_men.html

 

[LetalisK]

Meh. If he wants to get his ass kicked at school, who are we to stop him?

 

[Noctangelus]

Was going to reply to this thread way back on page one but the discussion seems to have taken a sharp left turn away from the original post. I am aware that there is a lot of implied gender roles stuff to consider but at the bear bones of the issue there is this...

How many people here are actually offended by a boy wearing a dress?

 

[GamerPhate]

First of all, does the school have a dress code, and is it an only male school?
If the school has a uniform, then that makes sense. And if it's an only male school, I can kinda see the logic.
Otherwise, this is so stupid.

And yes, he does look pretty.

EVERY school has a dress code. They have a handbook they pass out at every school. Regardless if there is a required uniform, codes vary from state and region, but mostly they are fairly consitant. No Hats was the maority of what we were faced with back in the day. My dad's school days rants were about girls skirts being measured. What I have seen in most school handbooks is that "any dress that is distracting" is consider "innappropriate". That being stated, that is all in the eye of the beholder. Some teachers let some stuff fly, while others are a bit more apprehensive about certain criteria. I guess it is kind of like the "flow of traffic" law. If everyone else is doing something it is okay, but Heaven forbid that someone step outside of the box and try to be different! Must have clones! Everyone MUST be the same. Conform! That is what school TRIES to teach you, but don't listen...

 

[Darius Brogan]

Ohhhh yay, masculinity. Women are congratulated for wearing pants while men are vilified for wearing dresses. I think it's screwed up and fundamentally flawed.

Spoiler: Fun picture

Note: the "you" is directed at people who display that attitude.

So what if he did it as a dare, or as a statement, or for attention? One could argue that it's a valid protest if he's doing it aware of the background of transphobia and gender roles. In fact, I think we should be encouraging men to wear clothes gendered female. More skirts for men!

Talk to the William Wallace about skirts. That guy'll Fuck your shit RIGHT UP!

"Kilts for all bitches! FUCK UNDERWEAR! WOOHOO!!!!" *Swings his seven feet of sharpened steel around in a wide arc*

Nobody with a brain makes fun of a Scottish Skirt, and it IS technically a skirt, a manly skirt.

Also, though I'd never do so on the grounds of death by laughing my ass off, I see no real problem with the kid wearing a dress and heels to school on a dare, if anything, I applaud his wacky sense of courage.

 

[fulano]

To conform is to make the same. Sexism then is an enemy of conformity, thus the school is against conforming.

Gender roles =/= sexism. Blokes shouldn't wear dresses.

Actually gender roles are the highest form of sexism.

Misogyny? Come on. I personally don't have any misgivings with gender roles at all, until they become compulsory. Unfortunately, that's very very often. Kill your own damned spiders!

Not mysogyny. I find nowadays gender roles hurt men more than women. Its weirder for men to wear skirts than women to wear pants, which 50 or so years ago would be crossdressing.

But that would be asuming that gender roles are hundred percent culturally based and not have some biological component.

 

[Moromillas]

Oh, that is just not right. Harmless pranks and dares should be met with lulz, not scorn. The kid wasn't hurting anyone, ugh just horrible. The school doesn't want to explain why and clear their name? Yeah it looks like they don't have a legitimate reason. >_>

 

[Dags90]

What the hell kind of school is that?

Really, at my school, the teachers would probably just laugh and joke a bit around if a boy weared a dress. What is wrong with your schools, America?

Most American schools have bans on hats because of etiquette guidelines from the 50's and beyond. It's considered rude to wear a hat indoors, it means you aren't staying long. Specifically, it's considered rude for men/boys to wear hats indoors. Proper ladies wear hats in public at all times (and if you don't you're a harlot!).

Then feminism happened and women started SHOWING THEIR UNCOVERED HAIR IN PUBLIC on a regular basis. So faced with that, "No hats indoors for boys" turned into "No hats indoors".

And there's so much more wrong with American schools (hell, even American public schools).

Most people have forgotten these cultural relics as the basis of these rules. Now people say it's because of "gang affiliation" and "lice", and the lice makes some sense (for younger kids, anyway), but back in the day it was "insubordinate".

 

[viranimus]

Arrg... I am blinded.... by the reflection off the collective unjustified sense of "enlightenment"

The schools original response was unjustified. Its revised position however, was both tempered and appropriate. This isn't some issue of social intolerance.


So I have no concern about "social justice" and "bullshit imposed roles" when there was no such context and all this ended up being is a massive distraction to the school and faculty so much so that the story became local and semi national news (via the internet) to the point were discussing it now. So yes, the school had every right to punish a student for causing such a pointless distraction just so he could "win a dare against his mom"

Why people want to apply some social injustice when none is present just so they can feel like they are tolerant is beyond me.

However, This is the worst place to state that because if you hold a position that doesnt glorify and encourage acceptance (not tolerance, because tolerance is not even close to being enough.) then your just another ignorant troglodyte on the internet who is wrong and and the only way to fix you is to bludgeon you with quotes until you agree and see how ignorant of a douchebag you are.

 

[GamerPhate]

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We don't have problems like that in Colorado, well, at least not at my school. GSA and all that shnizznit. It's pretty nice because even the strict conservatives are tolerant of our mixed community.

Must be nice to have tolerant people. I live in a severly red state, and anything that isn't conservative is considered communistic. I feel like we are still living in the Mc Carthism era. In fact, I find much glee in taunting local conservatives on issues, because the voice of reason is often crumbled by the "logic" or religion. I lived here all my life, and even sided with them as a youth. However, as i have gotten older, I realised that the ideas of others didn't HAVE to be me own, that I was capable of free thought, and that people are classified into two categories. One is the group that owns a business and/or has come from old money economics, and thus push for legislation that is FOR the business owners benefit. The other side is the have nots or have-lesses, that struggle to make ends meet, and are the stool that holds the other class up. If we don't support the masses that keep the wealthy wealty, then how is the economy at a whole to surivive? Trickle down economy is for the rich. Everyone else is just $#$% outta luck unless they were lucky enough to have a trust fund or daddy/mommy to send them off to college and what not. Otherwise, you are locked into your socio-economic "class" for the remainder of your life. SURE, you can make progress for your lineage, such as the FIRST time college graduates, as their ancestors had yet to be able to afford proper education.

But ultimately, getting into the elite part of society that actually controls the government is something you are born into, not something that you can be part of later. And on that line of thinking, the USA is NOT a democracy! The USA is a plutocracy, or for those too lazy to Wiki, that means a society ruled by the rich class. If you want an example, just look at the way our Lobbiest system is put in place! Companies pay people to spend all their time wining and dining our government officals into making policy decisions. My friend for the NZ had told me that lobbying was ILLEGAL in his country! Can you imagine a Amerca like that? Evenmore so, and I am not pressing for this legislature, but wanted to bring up it's concept, over there, evidently, killing a political offical is only like a 5 year sentence! So basically, if you are a corrupt $#Q$# over there, you WILL get taken out of office, BY a civil peron willling to sacrafice their life for freedom.

However, I don't have any cases on hand to show this happening. But I think the fact that the law passed, basically means the political reps over there, RARELY ever get corrupt! If you apply that to American law, it appears to be one of the reason the right to bear arms was added to the Constituion. Our forefathers knew over 200 years ago that it would take about 200 years for a government to become so corrupt and lost in itself that it would be up to the citizens to make it right again. Where the founding fathers were more right than ever was they they had NO idea the kinds of technology we would have today. If they even remotely thought about the notion of the internet, spyware, and webcams back then, I think the Constituion would look a bit different still. However, they knew the rights of the citizens should never be trampled, as WE own the government, the government does NOT own us. IMO the governmetn is just like any other company I pay money to for goods and services, and unless you view it that way, you are under their thumb.

 

[zedel]

*sigh* Not only are people being suspended for not dressing in accordance with their assigned gender, but now us gender-queer are being used as a cheap ploy to garner attention. This is really just too disappointing.

 

[Dana22]

Well, that's kinda... bullshit. And in Washington? If it was the conservative south, I'd understand a bit better, but still...

What being conservative has to do with any of this ? He did it for 'lulz', because he challenged his mother. His sexuality had nothing to do in that case.

 

[ninja51]

Wierd kids gunna be wierd. But they shouldnt be punished for it, besides the positivly brutal behind the back making fun of other kids will give. They should have fought it, it was an attention grab and pretty stupid, but legally, completely alright to do.