Students suspended, expelled over Facebook posts

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Something Amyss

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Considering how often kids get suspended for stuff they do online, I'm surprised anyone's foolish enough to slag a teacher online.

Not saying it's right, but it's become increasingly common for schools to extend their power to your online life, even if you're off school grounds at the time.

one kid at my old high school a couple years ago got suspended for a letter to the editor. Glad that wasn't policy when I was a student there. Two or three of my LTEs were specifically about the school.
 

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I can't understand some people defending them by saying its only facebook. If I walked down the street with a big sign saying You are a pedophile, people are going to see it, the same applies to Facebook.

Even an allegation against a Teacher/professor can ruin their career/life. Its just completely stupid to do something like given the current culture/views towards pedophiles, I mean seriously I would not have been suprised to hear the that guy had been attacked, the people attacking him would not have any proof but because someone said it they would assume that a completely innocent person was indeed a pedophile. Did they think about the consequences? No they did not, do they deserve to be punished yes they do.
 

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JourneyThroughHell said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defamation

Didn't really notice WBC doing any of that. But I wasn't paying attention.

They're really only saying that "God hates so and so", right?
Actually, the WBC also go on to celebrate certain individual's deaths. They also tried (and failed) to have tombstones set up in public places celebrating said individuals' "entry into hell".
 

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Is that even legal?

To suspend a student for out of school actvity. I swear to god I would raise hell if this happened to me, or if as a teacher I was displened for something I did out of school with facebook.
 

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You need to have a filter on Facebook, or you aren't going to do that, make your account private.
 

JourneyThroughHell

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Chibz said:
JourneyThroughHell said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defamation

Didn't really notice WBC doing any of that. But I wasn't paying attention.

They're really only saying that "God hates so and so", right?
Actually, the WBC also go on to celebrate certain individual's deaths. They also (tried and failed) to have tombstones set up in public places celebrating said individuals' "entry into hell".
Oh.

Well, that IS probably covered by defamation.
 

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JourneyThroughHell said:
Chibz said:
JourneyThroughHell said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defamation

Didn't really notice WBC doing any of that. But I wasn't paying attention.

They're really only saying that "God hates so and so", right?
Actually, the WBC also go on to celebrate certain individual's deaths. They also (tried and failed) to have tombstones set up in public places celebrating said individuals' "entry into hell".
Oh.

Well, that IS probably covered by defamation.
Nope. The supreme court just said it's allowed for them.
 

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See? This is why I'd rather be homeschooled or self-taught, because I don't need that kind of trouble that's gonna affect me in the long term for something as trivial as a joke, no matter if it's about sexual desires or attitude.

Just because they're teachers doesn't give them the right to violate the students' freedom of speech and it's certainly not a justification to throw them out of an institution THEY'RE PARENTS are paying for.

Yes, being assholes on the internet won't really do them any good, but there must be a reason they would say things like that, and the way the school responded just shows them as a bunch of butthurt adults who must have been caught with their pants down at such insults.

On the bright side, there's a great opportunity for these kids to focus their time on becoming brilliant minds on their own without the risk of heart-shattering failure and financial costs, and nothing impeding their right to say what they want.

You are a tyrant if you want a perfect and free society but expect there never to be anything that will offend you.

"Take it as it comes, be thankful when it's gone." - The Raconteurs: Many Shades of Black

EDIT: THEIR PARENTS (way to emphasize RONG SPELING, Pete...)
 

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JourneyThroughHell said:
Oh.

Well, that IS probably covered by defamation.
Even if it was... You'd have to prove that it's not true. Strictly speaking, in this case, the teachers would have to prove that they are neither rapists nor pedos. Because if you can't disprove the statements against you, defamation of character falls flat on its face.
 

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Well they got to learn early on that people like teachers, professors, and employers will read their facebook pages so its best to keep a clamp on certain content.
 

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Jabberwock xeno said:
Nope. The supreme court just said it's allowed for them.
Well... then I'm guessing the students have a shot at a lawsuit, too.
Chibz said:
JourneyThroughHell said:
Oh.

Well, that IS probably covered by defamation.
Even if it was... You'd have to prove that it's not true. Strictly speaking, in this case, the teachers would have to prove that they are neither rapists nor pedos. Because if you can't disprove the statements against you, defamation of character falls flat on its face.
Well... can't they?

There's no criminal record or anything. In case of a lawsuit, they'd probably investigate that.
 

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Serves them right. Don't say anything online that you would hesitate to say in real life. Especially if your profile is easily identifiable.
My old head of department gave us a nice talk on this, the gist of which was that he would be happy to sue the living daylights out of any student for slander. I agree wholeheartedly; the Internet does not grant you license to act in an uncivilized manner. If you choose to do so whilst remaining readily identifiable, you're a fucking idiot and deservewhat's coming your way.
 

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Meh, the kids deserved it. Now that authority figures like teachers and bosses are catching up to technology, online posts aren't quite as safe and anonymous as they once were. The kids would've gotten suspended if a teacher overheard that conversation in a hallway at school; this really isn't any different.

At least the second kid had the maturity to admit the mistake instead of trotting out the worn-out "I was just expressing myself" excuse.
 

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JourneyThroughHell said:
Well... can't they?

There's no criminal record or anything. In case of a lawsuit, they'd probably investigate that.
Nope. That would only prove they haven't been caught doing anything illegal. Not that they aren't rapists, or that they aren't attracted to kids...
 

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Adding anyone other than actual friends on Facebook is just stupid. People can speak however they want, although calling a teacher a pedophile and rapist (when they are in fact not either) can and has gotten teachers fired and thrown in jail. And even if teachers are proven innocent of the charges, they are essentially blacklisted.

EDIT: To be clear, I don't think the school should have gotten involved. The kids deserve to be disciplined, but then again maybe they should let everyone see their Facebook posts.
 

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LegendaryGamer0 said:
What the hell happened to Freedom of Speech?
Defamation and Slander aren't protected by Freedom of Speech in the United States of America.
 

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Zaik said:
Generally, where there's smoke, there's fire.

What's most likely going on is this teacher *IS* a pedophile, plausibly a rapist, but has friends in high places to protect him from being properly accused.
agnosticOCD said:
Yes, being assholes on the internet won't really do them any good, but there must be a reason they would say things like that, and the way the school responded just shows them as a bunch of butthurt adults who must have been caught with their pants down at such insults.
And people wonder why the school has over-reacted over this incident, you people, not only have zero evidence to suggest these people are in any way wrong here, but you're making pretty damn horrible accusations towards people you don't even know based on someones Facebook comment.

What's most likely, "Zaik" is that the students in questions were annoyed at the teacher in some way and in their anger posted said accusation on Facebook, it's very common and happens all the time but in a profession like teaching; where such slanderous comments, even if they aren't true, can leave people without a job - it's serious.

The students are clearly just being made examples of, because in all honesty if you were that teacher, having done nothing wrong, but then had to teach a class full of people calling you a pedophile behind your back I doubt you'd be pleased with the situation.

The conclusion that should be drawn from this is not "oh the teacher must have done something wrong", that's a moronic attitude at best, but that "free speech" does not entitle you to make such slanderous comments and that if you are going to assassinate someones character in public [which Facebook is] you'd best have some evidence or really mean the accusation in question.

They deserved what they got.
 

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Chibz said:
JourneyThroughHell said:
Well... can't they?

There's no criminal record or anything. In case of a lawsuit, they'd probably investigate that.
Nope. That would only prove they haven't been caught doing anything illegal. Not that they aren't rapists, or that they aren't attracted to kids...
Well...

That's not nice.

At all.

Why even have such things as defamation if you can't prove them?