Suicide

[cuddly_tomato]

Words

More words, but nicely chilled and calmer

I can relate on some level to your experience, as a friend of mine hopped in front of a train (I wasn't present) and left his family in an exploded confetti state of chaotic despair. Kinda stung to lose him, too, although my reaction to his action was more inclined to sympathy and compassion than resentment and anger. But enough about that...

I'm not looking to scramble to compare statstics for the sake of being right on the internet. Let me simply point out a few things that are generally accepted as true and we have both more or less stated in our posts:

- Death by cancer is not death by suicide.
- Suicide is an 'active' death in that it requires a cognitive and behavioral precursor.
- Depression manifests symptoms in cognitive ability and behavioral changes (outside of actually doing brain imaging to see areas lacking in serotonin and other neurochemical activity)
- Depressed people kill themselves a lot more often than people with healthy brains. (people who are not depressed)
- Thus, suicide could be said to be a symptom of depression
- A symptom does not manifest in all cases, but often enough that it considered to be linked to a specific condition.

My last 0.02 on the subject.

Of course death by suicide is not death by cancer. Death by Malaria is also not death by cancer. Death by meningitis is not death by cancer. However they are all deaths caused by a disease.

What I was saying is that pretty often suicide is a consequence of a disease. Although it's manifestation is behavioural, the depressive has little to no control over it without help. Depression is a debilitating, painful, and real illness that is as serious as it is deadly. There is this tendancy though to label it as being simply a weakness upon the part of the sufferer, effectively saying they are just very very very sad and can't handle it.

 

[thebobmaster_v1legacy]

I might be paraphrasing it, but a quote I heard comes to mind: "When you kill yourself, you end one life, but ruin hundreds of others. Every person you know, your family, their lives are permanently altered, but for one selfish act."

 

[Erana]

Suicide is the most selfish thing someone could possibly do.
Don't question that, just taste it like one would an expensive wine.

Pungent, distasteful in some ways, but there is a pungent truth to it in our culture.

 

[SunoffaBeach]

Suicide is the most selfish thing someone could possibly do.

Why?

 

[Erana]

Suicide is the most selfish thing someone could possibly do.

Why?

What could you possibly do that would hurt those around you more?
Sure, there's always going insane and homicidal, but suicide is much more real in today's culture. Everyone knows someone whose either committed suicide or attempted suicide. If not, then you can't fathom how much it hurts.

 

[WraithGadra]

Suicide is the most selfish thing someone could possibly do.

Why?

Let me guess: "Because it hurts all the people who knew them just because they couldn't deal with their problems. Such sucking babies need to toughen up! Everybody has problems, not everyone commits suicide! Other platitudes often spouted about the subject!"

It's pretty standard "How dare you not continue suffering for my sake!" stuff. But it raises a question: If suicide is so selfish, then how much more selfish is attempting to force someone to live because you don't like the idea of death?

 

[Beowulf DW]

Suicide is the most selfish thing someone could possibly do.

Why?

Let me guess: "Because it hurts all the people who knew them just because they couldn't deal with their problems. Such sucking babies need to toughen up! Everybody has problems, not everyone commits suicide! Other platitudes often spouted about the subject!"

It's pretty standard "How dare you not continue suffering for my sake!" stuff. But it raises a question: If suicide is so selfish, then how much more selfish is attempting to force someone to live because you don't like the idea of death?

I don't think it's dislike of death so much as wanting the other person to accept their responsibilities.

 

[SunoffaBeach]

Suicide is the most selfish thing someone could possibly do.

Why?

What could you possibly do that would hurt those around you more?
Sure, there's always going insane and homicidal, but suicide is much more real in today's culture. Everyone knows someone whose either committed suicide or attempted suicide. If not, then you can't fathom how much it hurts.

What would you do if the only reason to continue with your life is not to hurt others?
You don't know and neither do I nor anybody else BUT the person who is in such a situation.
So how can you judge his actions?

 

[kharn-ivor]

If suicide is made legal isnt that the best assasination tool ever? You can push people to do things they dont want so would that make it legal to push somebody to suicide?
Pretty complex problem.

 

[WraithGadra]

Suicide is the most selfish thing someone could possibly do.

Why?

Let me guess: "Because it hurts all the people who knew them just because they couldn't deal with their problems. Such sucking babies need to toughen up! Everybody has problems, not everyone commits suicide! Other platitudes often spouted about the subject!"

It's pretty standard "How dare you not continue suffering for my sake!" stuff. But it raises a question: If suicide is so selfish, then how much more selfish is attempting to force someone to live because you don't like the idea of death?

I don't think it's dislike of death so much as wanting the other person to accept their responsibilities.

Would you complain about it being "selfish"?

 

[Hevoo]

IF someone wants to kill themselves, fine with me.

But look at it this way,

You are giving up the greatest gift ever given to you, for what? Most likely for some dumbass reason.

If you think its a gift from your Mom, and Dad, or your God(gods), its still a gift. Its your life, do what you want with it, just remember you maybe hurting, but the people that love you will be hurt, and that pain will last a lot longer.

 

[Avatar Roku]

I once heard that attempted suicide carried the death penalty in a certain place.

The Land of Irony

I was going to say something equally snarky but not as well worded.

 

[SunoffaBeach]

You are giving up the greatest gift ever given to you...

Say this to a person whose life is so bad he wants to commit suicide and he wants to do it even more.

 

[cuddly_tomato]

But look at it this way,

You are giving up the greatest gift ever given to you, for what?

If every waking hour of that life is pure pain then you might not see it as a gift at all.

 

[Hevoo]

You are giving up the greatest gift ever given to you...

Say this to a person whose life is so bad he wants to commit suicide and he wants to do it even more.

But look at it this way,

You are giving up the greatest gift ever given to you, for what?

If every waking hour of that life is pure pain then you might not see it as a gift at all.

Both of you guys are right to a point, But here is something that you missed, Killing yourself is the most selfish thing you can do. Be it for physical pain or mental pain, you are doing it for your own ends, and not caring of anyone else but yourself. I knew people that have ended there life, one for a dumb reason, one for a really dumb reason. At first I hated them, because they were so freaking dumb, but I got on with my life.

(For someone who is going to use this against me, i beat you to it)

If you end your life, so that others may live that's a whole different can of worms.

 

[WraithGadra]

You are giving up the greatest gift ever given to you...

Say this to a person whose life is so bad he wants to commit suicide and he wants to do it even more.

But look at it this way,

You are giving up the greatest gift ever given to you, for what?

If every waking hour of that life is pure pain then you might not see it as a gift at all.

Both of you guys are right to a point, But here is something that you missed, Killing yourself is the most selfish thing you can do. Be it for physical pain or mental pain, you are doing it for your own ends, and not caring of anyone else but yourself. I knew people that have ended there life, one for a dumb reason, one for a really dumb reason. At first I hated them, because they were so freaking dumb, but I got on with my life.

(For someone who is going to use this against me, i beat you to it)

If you end your life, so that others may live that's a whole different can of worms.

So how much more selfish is it of you to want them to continue living just because you think it's so all-fire important that they do so?

Complaining that suicide is selfish is idiotic because wanting someone to live for your own reasons is just as selfish, if not more so.

 

[DarkLordofDevon]

If you want to take your life, fine.

Suicide isn't a problem, its a symptom of a flawed society.

Correct society, people won't be so quick to leave it. But that won't happen, so there is little we can do for those who wise to die. Can't stop them, just waste resources trying to revive them in hospitals. They'll only try again, wasting medicinal drugs and operations for those who wish to live. Cruel, but nothing else we can do with the world as it is.

 

[Hevoo]

You are giving up the greatest gift ever given to you...

Say this to a person whose life is so bad he wants to commit suicide and he wants to do it even more.

But look at it this way,

You are giving up the greatest gift ever given to you, for what?

If every waking hour of that life is pure pain then you might not see it as a gift at all.

Both of you guys are right to a point, But here is something that you missed, Killing yourself is the most selfish thing you can do. Be it for physical pain or mental pain, you are doing it for your own ends, and not caring of anyone else but yourself. I knew people that have ended there life, one for a dumb reason, one for a really dumb reason. At first I hated them, because they were so freaking dumb, but I got on with my life.

(For someone who is going to use this against me, i beat you to it)

If you end your life, so that others may live that's a whole different can of worms.

So how much more selfish is it of you to want them to continue living just because you think it's so all-fire important that they do so?

Complaining that suicide is selfish is idiotic because wanting someone to live for your own reasons is just as selfish, if not more so.

Wow, you are a a dumb ass.

I said I was fine with someone killing themselves, I'm just giving another point to comment on. Do I have to right to say who lives or dies? No. Did I EVER say that? No. Then you sir, need to read and think before you type.

But what I really think, that is MY opinion, I think that someone who kill them self is weak. That my opinion does it make it right or wrong, no its a opinion. I can judge people upon the acts? Yeah, I can. Is there anything you can do about it? No, there isn't.