Suicide

[Nannernade]

I guess it is alright... but if they give the reasons like, oh everyone will be better off without me, or life is too hard, etc. then no they don't deserve it, those people need to be locked away in the loony bin.

But if you do decide to kill yourself at least make it entertaining, if you jump off a building do a flip. =O

 

[Malkavian]

Suicide is every persons right. What I do or do not do to my body, is my choice alone. One should never be forbidden from doing any harm to oneself, just because others don't like it, not matter how mych they dislike it.

Suicide is a right and a choice. Anyone should be allowed to end his or her life. And the reasons should entirely be their own. If I decided to end my life because I couldn't find my shoe, it would be idiotic, but none the less my choice.

 

[Fairee]

These days, there's much talk of suicide, and while I personally think of it as a terrible thing and decision, I consider it to be a person's right. They should be allowed to take their own life if they really want to. However, many people see fit to stop other people from committing suicide, and I think that this is a form of oppression. So what do all of you think, is suicide a right? Should people be allowed to commit suicide unobstructed?

I agree with this, no one except the person themselves can say whether suicide is the best option for them. Whilst yes, some people can get over depression with drugs or therapy and go on to live a "norml" life, others will just try again and again until eventually they succeed. And surely drawing out whatever suffering they have that makes them suicidal is more cruel than allowing them to end their life.

 

[Zersy]

These days, there's much talk of suicide, and while I personally think of it as a terrible thing and decision, I consider it to be a person's right. They should be allowed to take their own life if they really want to. However, many people see fit to stop other people from committing suicide, and I think that this is a form of oppression. So what do all of you think, is suicide a right? Should people be allowed to commit suicide unobstructed?

Your Avatar fits perfectly with this topic

 

[ZeroMachine]

In very, very, very rare cases, suicide can be justified. We're talking "I'm dying, there is no cure, I'll be in incredible amounts of pain for the rest of my life."

Other than that, suicide doesn't just effect the one who commits it. It effects everyone around them in one way or another. Think of it this way...

There's a big puddle. Let's say 8 feet across, perfectly circular for the metaphor's sake. The person who commits suicide is in the dead center of it (no pun intended) and the parts closer to the center represent the people closest to the suicidal one. The person commits suicide; you throw a huge rock right in the center. The entire puddle is thrown into chaos (pain, sadness, grief), some water splashes out (people leave what could have been a close knit group), and the puddle probably deforms and it no longer a perfect circle (everyone's life from that point on is either a little messed up or completely fucked up).

... Probably not the best metaphor, but the point still stands. Suicidal tendencies are usually signs of mental disorders that can be helped, and those that go through with it irreparably change everyone around them.

 

[Danzaivar]

Imagine a world where suicide had no stigma. Someone decides they want to die, so they amend their will, let their family know, arrange funeral preparations and inform the authorities to collect the body. Just before they do it they could get their family around for one last good bye and say all the things they wanted to say.

One part of me is thinking 'That makes a lot of sense and gives a lot more closure for the family'. The other part of me gets chills and thinks that's just too weird.

It would certainly be practical...

 

[Emeli]

It's a very western idea that suicide is always a bad decision. I think like a lot of our societal values it comes from the bible. My own religious views aside, we live in supposedly secular societies and I don't think religious views should be imposed on people. I don't think that suicide is a particularly smart thing to do in 99.9% of cases, but I don't think that condemnation of every single victim is right either.

In a lot of societies suicide has been considered a noble thing to do. It's been viewed as a way to avoid shame or dishonor, a way to protest against society, it's often thought of as an extremely brave act. There's a difference between an angsty suicide over a temporary problem and removing yourself permanently from an unsolvable situation. A difference that's often hard to define, but a difference none-the-less. A person in incurable pain, unconquerable shame or mental torment might (repeat, might, not always or even significant portion of the time) be happier to end a life that would otherwise only ever been lived in misery.

Moreover, it's an individual's choice. We can't demand people preserve themselves. Even if we tried to it could never be effective. The important thing is to make sure that mental healthcare is available and that seeking that kind of help doesn't carry the stigma of being "crazy".

Most suicides are preventable, and it's a serious social issue, but the level of judgement is horrific, it only increases the problem.

 

[Arkhangelsk]

You should do everything to convince the person that it's worth living, and if that doesn't work, let them, they obviously want to.

 

[ace_of_something]

Those are mostly mentally ill people. Suicide hurts the people around you. It's very selfish. Unless you're talking about euthinasia of the termanilly ill.

 

[WickedSkin]

I'm thinking suicide might take a lot of guts. And if someone kills him/her self it's a bleeding tragedy. Things have gone so far they think suicide is the only way out. Terrible is what it is.

If someone wants to kill themselves I won't stop them. Apparently they've had enough. It should be their bloody right.

Spoiler

Wine is fine
But whiskey's quicker
Suicide is slow with liquor
Take a bottle drown your sorrows
Then it floods away tomorrow
Away tomorrow

Evil thoughts and evil doings
Cold, alone you hang in ruins
Thought that you'd escape the reaper
You can't escape the master keeper

'Cause you feel life's unreal
And you're living a lie
Such a shame who's to blame
And you're wondering why
Then you ask from your cask
"Is there life after birth"?
What you sow can mean hell on this earth
Hell on this earth

Now you live inside a bottle
The reaper's travelling at full throttle
It's catching you but you don't see
The reaper is you and the reaper is me

Breaking laws,
Knocking doors
But there's no one at home
Make your bed,
Rest your head
But you lie there and moan
Where to hide,
Suicide is the only way out
Don't you know what it's really about

Wine is fine
But whiskey's quicker
Suicide is slow with liquor
Take a bottle drown your sorrows
Then it floods away tomorrow.

Ozzy Osbourne - Suicide Solution
Blizzard of Ozz

 

[Malkavian]

In very, very, very rare cases, suicide can be justified. We're talking "I'm dying, there is no cure, I'll be in incredible amounts of pain for the rest of my life."

Other than that, suicide doesn't just effect the one who commits it. It effects everyone around them in one way or another. Think of it this way...

There's a big puddle. Let's say 8 feet across, perfectly circular for the metaphor's sake. The person who commits suicide is in the dead center of it (no pun intended) and the parts closer to the center represent the people closest to the suicidal one. The person commits suicide; you throw a huge rock right in the center. The entire puddle is thrown into chaos (pain, sadness, grief), some water splashes out (people leave what could have been a close knit group), and the puddle probably deforms and it no longer a perfect circle (everyone's life from that point on is either a little messed up or completely fucked up).

... Probably not the best metaphor, but the point still stands. Suicidal tendencies are usually signs of mental disorders that can be helped, and those that go through with it irreparably change everyone around them.

But I wonder... Why is it my responsibility to suffer, just so that those around me will not feel sorrow?

 

[mokes310]

Not my body, not my life, not my decision. If someone wants to end their life, who am I to say no?

 

[TheFacelessOne]

I'm against suicide, unless someone has a horrible disease, is a prisoner of war and is being tortured daily, or anything along those lines.

But if they give stupid reasons, such as, "everybody would be better off without me," or, "life is just to hard", then no. They shouldn't.

My motto for suicide is:
You're not a loser, until you quit.

 

[ZeroMachine]

In very, very, very rare cases, suicide can be justified. We're talking "I'm dying, there is no cure, I'll be in incredible amounts of pain for the rest of my life."

Other than that, suicide doesn't just effect the one who commits it. It effects everyone around them in one way or another. Think of it this way...

There's a big puddle. Let's say 8 feet across, perfectly circular for the metaphor's sake. The person who commits suicide is in the dead center of it (no pun intended) and the parts closer to the center represent the people closest to the suicidal one. The person commits suicide; you throw a huge rock right in the center. The entire puddle is thrown into chaos (pain, sadness, grief), some water splashes out (people leave what could have been a close knit group), and the puddle probably deforms and it no longer a perfect circle (everyone's life from that point on is either a little messed up or completely fucked up).

... Probably not the best metaphor, but the point still stands. Suicidal tendencies are usually signs of mental disorders that can be helped, and those that go through with it irreparably change everyone around them.

But I wonder... Why is it my responsibility to suffer, just so that those around me will not feel sorrow?

Are you saying you feel suicidal? There's plenty of help out there for you. Just reach out for it. Call someone who specializes in helping people going through that stuff.

And trust me, no matter what you think, there will be someone who feels sorrow if you do something like that. Deny it all you want, but I guarantee you there will be. And sorrow or not, the ripples will be felt and will change everyone around you.

 

[KaiRai]

Suicide should remain illegal. Euthanasia should be legalised on the basis of someone suffering that much physical pain has the right to choose if they have had enough.

 

[Malkavian]

snip

No, I wasn't, but I suppose it could be read that way. It was more of a hypothetical sittuation. Why, supposing I was sucidal, would I have to carry my suffering, just for the sake of others? Surely, it is my choice whether I live or not.

 

[Spartan Bannana]

I personally think of it as a terrible thing and decision,

Then why have an avatar like that, hypocrite.

First of all, nice resurrection, Thread Necromancer, second, I find this avatar funny, if you don't that's fine.
EDIT: The necromancy comment is more directed at Scientific DJ.

 

[Jettling]

hmm, i beleive that it should be legal...(how can you arrest some1 after they've killed themselves?), we treat animals much kinder when it comes to death as if a human has cancer, the hospital is not allowed to "put them down" instead let them suffer 'till they're dead, with animals we stop them suffering if there is no other way, so suicide should be allowed if their life is absolutly horrific =D