Teacher orders kindergarteners to beat up class "bully"

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Karathos

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If by "beating up" you mean pussyfooted light brushing that a timid 6-year old will do in a situation like that - sure.

It seems like the people going "omg u gusy forgotted hes only six?!" have forgotten the others were also only six. Unless one of those kids is some sort of boxing prodigy with some pent-up rage, I'm pretty confident the POOR INNOCENT BULLY survived pretty much unscathed.
 
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...Ok, speaking as someone who was bullied extensively...

This is NOT good.

I absolutely do not agree with the way this was handled. Getting the class to line up and beat the tar out of him is not a good idea. It only encourages more violence, and might make some of the victims into bullies.

Wait...WAIT THESE WERE KINDERGARTNERS?!?! 0_o How the hell are there even bullies in KINDERGARTEN? I mean, yeah, there were a few annoying kids when I went to kindergarten, but I find it VERY difficult to believe that this kid was a bully.

Seriously, this is BS.
 

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Well, the teacher certainly went too far - into the criminal territory of incitement of violence, actually - and should hence be fired and punished.

On the other hand, so should all teachers who allow bullying in classes they're responsible for to continue without intervention. Such far more common cases is what should draw attention, not this single reversal of a teacher going too far.
 

Meight08

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Good beat it out of the little shits.
I don´t care he is six the sooner you beat it out of him the better.
 

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So a couple of things, it says some of the kids thought he was bullying them. Appropriate response, tell the kid off or, oh I don't know, hear his side of the story. Everyone's fine and dandy with the assumption he was a bully but who's word do we even have for this? Yeah, maybe he was. Alternatively, maybe he was BEING bullied, maybe a bunch of kids ganged up on him and claimed he was to get him punished? But surely a 6-year-old would come forward and admit they caused a gang-beating.

If a kid is accused of being a bully, do the paperwork, inform the folks and if you're feeling Renegade over Paragon tell the bullied kids to fight back. Don't force the ENTIRE class to hit him at once. Jesus, how f*cking cynical are we if we immediately go contrary to what someone's saying regardless of context? "A teacher told the entire class to beat him, I've never heard someone say he's a bully before" <- means either this was the VERY FIRST TIME HE'D BEEN ACCUSED OF IT, or the school hasn't mentioned it in the past.

Either way, that seems like the kind of thing the school, or the teacher, might use in their defence. Y'know, if he was a legit bully you'd imagine someone would have mentioned it before this incident. What's really pissing me off here is everyone appears to be defending the teacher's decision. If someone is abusing their power to harass another person, or indeed force 26 someones to do their will and harass them for her, I believe there's a word for that.

Not even gonna try this one, I'm not against the idea of using violence but it needs some dire fucking circumstances and not with fucking 6 year olds! I'm as sad for his classmates as I am for the bully here.
 

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I was bullied as a child. But this is just plain wrong.

One thing the article doesn't go into: Was the kid actually a bully? They could have been the class victim. They could have been the one who was being bullied the most, and a bunch of the kids conspired to tattle on him.

The school system is still messed up in how it deals (or rather, doesn't deal) with bullying, but making the class beat up one based on an accusation alone isn't the answer.

You know what I think might be more effective? Signaled ostracizing of proven bullies. You know, ones who are known to repeatedly bully others. Force them to wear a school uniform while the other kids are allowed to wear casual clothes that fit within the dress code.

Think about it. A distinct uniform would serve as a sign that says "I am a bully." If the other kids were effectively informed about how wrong bullying is, they would stay away from any kid wearing the uniform. After a certain amount of time without incident, the bully would be allowed to come to school in their own clothes until/unless they bullied another again.

Obviously, this plan wouldn't be perfect and there are more specifics that need to be worked out. But really, bullies are attention seekers who feel threatened by their victims going against their perception of what makes them better than everyone else. The way to punish them isn't a stern talking-to, because they ignore that. It isn't to beat them up, because that makes them a victim and and they feel more justified and more likely to lash out. The way to punish a bully is to ostracize them, because when they see that everyone around them disapproves, they know they've lost their power and it forces them to rethink their actions.

But again, we need to be certain that the kid is in fact a bully. There's a difference between telling and tattling. Know it.

Captcha is "foul play." How appropriate.
 

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templar1138a said:
I was bullied as a child. But this is just plain wrong.

One thing the article doesn't go into: Was the kid actually a bully? They could have been the class victim. They could have been the one who was being bullied the most, and a bunch of the kids conspired to tattle on him.
You sir just got ninja'd
 

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thebobmaster said:
Yes, I'm sure being beaten up by 20 of your peers, and getting 24 injuries as a result (meaning some kids attacked twice) wouldn't cause any mental scarring at all.
from the article:
"Twenty-four of those kids hit him and he said that most of them hit him twice," Amy Neely, the mother of 6-year-old Aiden, told KENS-TV. She did not specify what injuries her son may have received.

so no, not 24 injuries. and that's testimony from someone who wasn't there at the time and whose gotten her information from a bias source (the kid), and thats even if she is sticking strictly to what she's been told(since she herself is also a biased source liable to the same sort of exaggeration you just used). Pretty sure if i was telling mummy about getting hit at school i'd play it up a little too, especially if I was a six year old bully who got in trouble.

From her reaction you know for a fact that had the child actually received any injuries from this, she'd be parading them around as part of her efforts to 'stop the teacher from working in a classroom again'. The fact that no injuries are mentioned means that there were no marks left behind from the incident, also notice the article quotes the police report which would detail any injuries, but such quotation on the subject are absent. (they're a class of regular six year olds who were lined up to give the bully a hit, you know most of them would hardly have even touched him when they 'hit' him, unless texas 6 years olds are tougher/meaner/stronger than the six year olds I know/knew)


XD

Everyone should take the time to learn a bit about media bias, it's really a useful thing to know about... though bobmaster, maybe you don't need to seen as you already seem pretty aware of how to impart spin on details to have them misconstrued in a particular way XD

((if you're not interested in media bais then i guess you can stop reading, but i feel like brining it to the discussion for anyone else who sees my post, cause i find it interesting :p))
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Even an article like this, which seems pretty straight forward at first glance(if you're unfamilar with the tricks they use) is full of media bais. I'm glad i actually learnt about this stuff cause they're doing some pretty blatant manipulation in the article (for example, look how one sided it is, look at the connotations behind the language used, and more importantly look at the selectivity [what is there and what isn't there, and how selective the quotes are. Like I mentioned above about the police report]).

You gotta be careful about that sort of stuff. Think realistically in your head how it may have reasonably played out, rather than an over-dramatised view and you'll be able to pick up on the manipulation a bit better. The teacher doesn't want to get fired more than anyone else would, so it's not like they'd purposely do something blatant enough to get to charged.

looking at the facts subjectively, my guess would be: bully got caught out, teacher decided a good way to teach them some empathy is to switch the situations around.
They got the class together and said 'now i want you to hit him like he hits you'.
kids went around, some did a sissy little brush(like some non-confrontational six year old would), so the teacher said 'no, hit him harder than that'. (at a guess thats probably where the 'kids hitting twice' bit came from, if there were indeed '24' as the mother claimed)
one of the kids decided to hit the bully on the upper back, which is when the other teacher stepped in and put an end to it.

While unprofessional and shouldn't have been done, you shouldn't get caught up in sensationalism. It's kinda scary watching how easily people are manipulated, and the escapist is relatively well educated and sensible(well, most of the time), so you can imagine how this stuff effects the general public on a daily basis.
Speaking of Media Biaaaas, the kid's automatically a bully? You decry assuming he was hurt by the assault but naturally a 6-year-old says he felt like he was a bully so he MUST be one? You seem as guilty as anyone of spinning it to fit your facts with the assumption the teacher is in the right. Further more, one of your arguments is founded on how 6 years olds don't/can't hit someone properly, so the bully was using his great 6 year old MIND to victimise them?
(they're a class of regular six year olds who were lined up to give the bully a hit, you know most of them would hardly have even touched him when they 'hit' him, unless texas 6 years olds are tougher/meaner/stronger than the six year olds I know/knew)
using the article itself where the mum says she never heard her son was a bully, that seemed like EXACTLY the sort of thing someone would mention if they were, say, attempting to defend their school "We sent complaints home" and such. Of course, she could be lying but then it seems like an easy one to refute and I can't seem to find any version of the story where he's a confirmed bully.

Though I admit, intentionally or not, this post IS a good example of media bias XD

I have more but that's my big issue with that, forfeiting one bias for another doesn't feel like progress.
 

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Well, from my personal experience with bullies, I really doubt that this "put down" beatdown given by his classmates is going to deter him from bullying in the future. If anything he will have more resentment or whatever fuels him to bully people and he's going to be more vicious about it since he got humiliated/physically assaulted/etc.

From my own perspective, I wish my teacher would've done something like this... BUT, there's a good reason why she never did (any of my teachers but specially my pre-school teachers).

Enforcing a kind of eye fore an eye mentality on kids is never the best way to go.

One thing is revenge fantasy that stays in your head, the other is to make it happen.

The kid probably won't change and the victims of the bully won't learn anything positive. (Maybe to fight back)
 

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I think that bullying is something that no one should ever have to put up with. However, what this teacher did was unnecessary, ineffective, and a terrible abuse of authority.
A lone bully in a classroom will eventually find himself/herself left out and with no one to talk to, and will be forced to change for the better. It's when there's an entire group of bullies that things get problematic, because the victim can't realistically fight back all of them, and if they try, the bullies will hold a grudge against the victim, and be even more aggressive towards him or her. But even in that situation, I don't think that the solution is to give the bullies a taste of their own medicine. A better way to deal with things is to just break the group apart. Put them in separate classrooms, forcing them to make friends with different kinds of kids. There's no need to stage a beating session with the entire class.

All that being said, I get the feeling that this story has been blown way out of proportion, not least of which because of this:
She (the bully's mother) said she learned about what happened to her son after a teacher who witnessed the incident and intervened went on to report it two weeks later.
Right, so 24 kids supposedly beat up her 6 year old son, and yet, he has no bruises to show for it. Either that, or he did have bruises, and it took his mother two full weeks to notice, and even then, it's at someone else's notice.
I'm not sure which version is worse. She's either a terrible mother, or she's way over-taxed.
 

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Deathmageddon said:
Cheery Lunatic said:
Mr.K. said:
Well I was pretty shocked until I read the headline... "Texas teacher"... now I'm only shocked the teacher didn't shoot the kid outright.
Oh hey, three posts until we got an ignorant one like this. Record.
You do realize it's illegal to take all or any kind of weapon onto school grounds unless you're a cop? We have detention and suspension here for discipline. You know, like any other American school.
And San Antonio is a super nice place. I'm surprised this happened there.

OT: I see the thought process, but it's more than a little extreme. She's promoting a very dangerous message to those kids.
Though I doubt that kid is ever gonna bully anyone else again.
I know that feel, bro. All the stereotypes and misconceptions about Texas are really annoying. You're a million times more likely to die of heatstroke than anything gun-related... the concealed carry laws drastically reduced violent crime rates.

Oh, and that teacher's a *****.
Okay, this is getting way off topic but I gotta say as someone who actually takes part in filing for my department's uniform crime report and an avid believer in the federal statistic gathering practice. That last comment is totally false. Year after year with comparative data it has shown that CCW laws have done NOTHING to violent crime rates they don't go up or down any more than an average amount for the area. Texas is also one of the WORST states for gun crime. The availability of legal guns makes the availability of illegal guns easier since most are stolen.
The reason people make those comments about texan's being violent and/or spartan is when you say things like "we don't have as much crime because we can carry hidden guns."

I agree with your assessment of that teacher and she should very much lose her job that's insane. The mother was ignoring all the problems until it exploded. Lots of parents are like that nowadays.
Anything else I would've said about this story has been said so I'll make one last really petty comment: Damn she looks weird, looks like her face hit a wall and didn't flex back in to shape.
 

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thebobmaster said:
To all the people who are saying that the kid deserved what he got for being a bully, I want to point out that you are advocating the beating of a six year old kid. If you think him being a bully excuses that, I can't convince you otherwise, but I feel it needs to be pointed out.

Also, he received 24 injuries. That's a bit overdone.
Beating of a 6-year old by 6 year olds, some of whom I assume had been beaten up by him..Of course it doesn't excuse it but it wasn't the teacher hitting him after all..

Also 24 injuries? did they count every bruise and scratch? If so I have at least 6 injuries at the moment.Sounds like an over-zealous reporter/lawsuit-friendly parent
 

Mr.Mattress

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The Bully Is Wrong.

The Teacher Is Wrong.

How we teach kids to prevent Bullying is wrong.

How we target the victims when they fight bullies is wrong.

What this teacher tried to do is wrong.

How the parents of the bully are responding is wrong.

This thread shows how barbaric we can get.

All in all, it's all WRONG.
 

rekabdarb

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But this is ridiculous, this was definitely the wrong way to do it. What's even worse is reading the comments:
I was the victim of many bullies as a Child and I can honestly say the scar's Never go away. We must do everything in our Power to stop Bullying. I applaud the actions of the school staff and Pray this Bully has learned his lesson !!! If not, There is a Whole lot of us that will be happy help next time !!!!
Yes, because a mob of kids beating one kid up with the permission of the teacher isn't going to leave scars for that kid
Oh man, half of those people who claim they were bullied were/have been bullies themselves. As someone who was bullied... but then somewhat turned into an internet bruiser I gotta say. People need to learn to handle their fights themselves. Bullied kids need to learn to throw punches. Because just tattling does nothing. But coming back with bruises and scars? Now that says something
 

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look i got my scars and not all of them are visible so i don't like bullies in fact i hate them, loath them even but i also don't like how there are " "s around the word "bully" in the title and that makes me think the kid not actually a bully just some kid who probably asked the teacher "miss what do we do about bullies" probably because the kid was being bullied at the time and wanted someone to talk to about it but the teacher being so bloody stupid does something like that it just makes wish i was there so i could stopped it all tear the other kids off him stopping them, to slap the teacher twice cause she deserves more one slap and take the kid to the headteacher tell her/him what happened getting the teacher fired if only i was there i could save him from ending up like me and so many others, bullied and scarred for life -world's saddest violin song starts playing-
 

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Doclector said:
HAAAAAHAHAHAHA! I hope there's video, please tell me he cried.

Okay, maybe I'm not that heartless, but I have no pity for bullies who get what's coming to 'em, no matter how it happens. As for the other kids getting a bad lesson? Personally, I think there's nothing wrong with making sure people don't mess with you, but I realise I'm hardly a model of a balanced human being.
but what if the kid wasn't a bully? what if he didn't do anything wrong? what if the teacher just a heartless coward piece of shit?!
 

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David Woon said:
Doclector said:
HAAAAAHAHAHAHA! I hope there's video, please tell me he cried.

Okay, maybe I'm not that heartless, but I have no pity for bullies who get what's coming to 'em, no matter how it happens. As for the other kids getting a bad lesson? Personally, I think there's nothing wrong with making sure people don't mess with you, but I realise I'm hardly a model of a balanced human being.
but what if the kid wasn't a bully what if he didn't do anything wrong
Then that's an altogether different master, but bullies aren't often masters of secrecy. He was most likely caught in the act.