Team Fortress 2 - out of date now?
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So they made it look cartoony so that it would look cartoony later that way they don't have to make a new game because cartoons characters don't need to be hi-res? As far as Dedicated servers go I personally feel they are chaotic and immature.Katana314 said:
Well, ryai, tell me how much The Simpsons' basic character graphics have improved in 10 years. Not much. They don't really need to - and call it lazy, but it does save efforts without worsening the overall product. If I'm honest, you're sort of striking me as the type who would roll your eyes at someone using the AutoFill feature of excel rather than typing out the data manually. If it saves time and still looks good, what's the problem?
Also, your experience with Dedicated Servers is obviously limited. Whether or not the server is Dedicated does not affect the maturity level of players. And it's been nearly PROVEN that PC gaming communities are less prone to hate speech and racism than big-pool matchmaking services.
Also, your experience with Dedicated Servers is obviously limited. Whether or not the server is Dedicated does not affect the maturity level of players. And it's been nearly PROVEN that PC gaming communities are less prone to hate speech and racism than big-pool matchmaking services.
TF2 is being kept alive because it is a team based FPS game, something which MW2 could never hope to be.Audio said:
ModernWarfare has promoted nothing but senseless kill hoarding, lonewolfing, and glory hunting through bunny hopping, noobtoobing, and nade spamming. its very mechanic of 'Kill Streaks' throws out any single symbolince of team play the game could of fostered in favor of high scores and big booms. and though this is a style of gameplay which is popular, mostly amongst Console players, it hardly has 'pushed out TF2' and other games of its like.
TeamFortress promotes team play, working together, and tactical thinking through defending, attacking, or flanking. sure you can lone wolf or glory hoard, but that doesn't win you games. a bunch of average players working together can easily beat out a bunch of pro players whom arn't. and that is what Makes TF2 great, and continues to make it great.
the thing which is acctually pushing TF2 out the door is games with more focus on Co-op (Borderlands/Left4Dead) and epic play (BF:BC2/MAG) which allows in depth team play in much more grandois ways.
How are servers that are governed by the people playing instead of having to use a ban system from the company immature? You will never get a company run game with less cheats and mic spammers than people who run their own servers.ryai458 said:
The Escapist server has a few admins on at any time, if anyone starts mic spamming they are silenced within a minute, kicked if necessary. Servers that the people playing have no control over are the ones that are chaotic and full of immature behaviour as there are no consequences, dedicated servers are the complete opposite.
3 years, hardly "back in the day".ryai458 said:
Well clearly 360 and PS3 version, we need to say no more.
PC version, VALVe show no sign of slowing down the number of updates, particularly with the new community content. The art style is timeless, and then underlying graphics, (i.e lighting and such) are still acceptable, so no problems there. A huge playerbase the seems to still be growing. One advantage is it's now so cheap, (extra so on sales), and easy to play on old PC's, that ALL my friends have it, 1/3 have MW2, 1/2 have BFBC2, but if we want a big game, TF2 is the place to go. It has few real competitors, MW2 is a very different type of FPS, lone wolf based, BFBC2 has very different teamwork.
IT WILL GO OUT OF DATE
Let's make that clear, but VALVe will step in and make TF3 or an equivalent to fill the gap before we need to worry.
PC version, VALVe show no sign of slowing down the number of updates, particularly with the new community content. The art style is timeless, and then underlying graphics, (i.e lighting and such) are still acceptable, so no problems there. A huge playerbase the seems to still be growing. One advantage is it's now so cheap, (extra so on sales), and easy to play on old PC's, that ALL my friends have it, 1/3 have MW2, 1/2 have BFBC2, but if we want a big game, TF2 is the place to go. It has few real competitors, MW2 is a very different type of FPS, lone wolf based, BFBC2 has very different teamwork.
IT WILL GO OUT OF DATE
Let's make that clear, but VALVe will step in and make TF3 or an equivalent to fill the gap before we need to worry.
i havnt played either of those games as they are Playstation exclusives, but they are still nothing like tf2 from what i have seen and heard. "custom class" MW2 has custom classes does that make it a class based shooter? to compare tf2 to these systems is to completely miss the point of what tf2 is doing, its created custom classes that NEED the other classes to work together with them, otherwise your bound to fail.Mazty said:
I personally think that not having Dedicated Servers promote chaos and immaturity.ryai458 said:
This.Flames66 said:
MW2 appeals to the short attention span payers who will blindly buy the next game when it's released in 2 years or so. By contrast, Counterstrike and TF2 have been going for years and years and will continue to run long after MW2 is dead and forgotten.
MW2 is not the pinnacle of all games everywhere forever people. It is not the holy grail of shooters.
Custom Classes =/= Balanced specialised classes
In games where you create class all the classes are similar, even in say, BFBC2 with set classes, they are similar.
In TF2 the skills to be an engineer and a spy are totally different, their roles are totally different, and their skills are totally different. A good team NEEDS a mix of classes, in MW2 for example all can use assault rifles and be fine, and in BFBC2, while a mix of classes is needed, not to the same extent, and the skills, roles, and weaknesses are not as varied.
In games where you create class all the classes are similar, even in say, BFBC2 with set classes, they are similar.
In TF2 the skills to be an engineer and a spy are totally different, their roles are totally different, and their skills are totally different. A good team NEEDS a mix of classes, in MW2 for example all can use assault rifles and be fine, and in BFBC2, while a mix of classes is needed, not to the same extent, and the skills, roles, and weaknesses are not as varied.
Not only does not having dedicated servers promote those thing (In my experience) it also discourages creativity from the community. Which is a terrible thing. Community which are able to create content for their respective games are more involved and livelier than others.Delusibeta said:
i agree with Delusibeta, to have dedicated servers you can have admins and rules etc. stuff that creates order, it stops the trolls. without dedicated servers you get a community such as the XBL one, now many many of those kids (i am sorry to those that dont fit into the general XBL category) would be kicked/banned/reported etc on dedicated servers. i have no idea how anyone could belive this system could create chaos and immaturity (admin abuse aside)Delusibeta said:
WOW,
The only way dedicated servers could create chaos is if the community playing on them chose that, you can easily see the "all crits, cp_orange, 32 player, instant respawn" servers and know that they will be chaotic, dedicated servers are all about community. Better than peer to peer on every front as far as I can see.Calhoun347 said:
A lot of gameplay elements from Team Fortess 2 are very similar to 'old-school' online FPSes: rocket jumping, obsession with shotguns, the old-style crosshair, you name it. So it feels pretty dated in a sense already imo.
I don't really play it much anymore, however. I was hoping that I would play the PC version more but it doesn't hold my attention as well as the 360 version.
I don't really play it much anymore, however. I was hoping that I would play the PC version more but it doesn't hold my attention as well as the 360 version.
Say that again and i'll break your face, mate!
Arlight, only kidding, but in all seriousness, so long as there are people playing the game, it'll stay alive, and considering the fact that games like CS:S and even Quake are still going it's likely that TF2 might go the way they have.
Arlight, only kidding, but in all seriousness, so long as there are people playing the game, it'll stay alive, and considering the fact that games like CS:S and even Quake are still going it's likely that TF2 might go the way they have.