**Terror in Oslo** UPDATE: Anders Breivik gets 8 weeks of custody

[Ninjasander]

Personally I think it's a lone lunatic whose responsible.

Either way FRP are going to profit from this extremly in the form of voters.

There's a facebook group to light candles for the people who were killed in the bombing and shootings.

http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=214317091947770

For non-norwegians: FRP is our most right-wing party, who stands for much less immigration, and lower thresholds for deporting immigrants.

Also, I find it weird and disgusting that they gain from it, when members of their rival party got killed in Utøya.

It's not exactly in that form that they profit from it. It's from the fear of terrorism of any kind that they profit from. Remember "Snik islamisering" translated: "stealth islamism"

I remember, yes, but I still find it disgusting that their rivals lives pay for it. A witness just claimed 20-30 fatalities on the Utøya shooting.

I heard that too, but I wonder how they lapsed security so much that they allowed a lone policeman (what he was thought to be at the time) enter the island, carrying a scoped rifle. How many snipers are sent for to do security check ups? Ugh this is a dark and sad day in the history of Norway. I still can't believe it.

I don't know where you heard anything about a scoped rifle. According to witnesses it was a machine gun.

 

[DracoSuave]

Point me to the christian suicide bombers

Okay! [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_in_London]

Most terrorist attacks in europe are committed by christians, not muslims.

Where are the Christian suicide bombings? AFAIK, the only non-Muslim group that regularly uses suicide bombings as a tactic are the Buddhist Tamil Tigers. Please point me to the Christian suicide bombers.

You didn't [http://www.asianews.it/news-en/Christian-suspected-in-suicide-bomb-attack-on-Zamboanga-airport-19141.html] look [http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Sky-News-Archive/Article/20080641190443] very [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism#United_States] hard. [http://forum.bismikaallahuma.org/showthread.php?t=26&p=78]

Seriously, if you're going to make an ignorant statement like that... and googling 'christian suicide bombers' lets me find four references on the front page alone... you're clearly not trying to find them.

This is more of a display of your lack of basic fundamental research to support your rhetoric, than a lack of christian suicide bombers or religious figures calling for them.

 

[fenrizz]

This really hasn't sunk into me yet, but I know that we haven't had anything like this, I don't know, since the war or something. I'll be monitoring this for the days to come.

I am also very confused. Why? What have we done?

Norway is still in Afghanistan, that might be it. Besides, Scandinavia don't have the best reputation with Islam, due to those Muhammad caricatures.

Has Al Qaeda claimed responsibility then? Otherwise, aren't you jumping to conclusions?

Just stating the different reason we might be a target by Islam. Not saying they actually did it.

Fair enough. My heart goes out to your countrymen. As a Muslim myself, I sincerely hope the culprits aren't other fellow Muslims......but the odds aren't looking good for "us" at this point.

I saw you mention to another person that you think this might be political? Care to divulge?

There certainly is reason to suspect that it is political.

Utøya is the place where the Norwegian Labour Party hold their summer youth camp.
And the bombings took place at the Government street in Oslo.

As you may or may not know, the Norwegian Labour Party is the dominant party in our coallission government.

Initial eyewitness accounts report that the number of casualties at Utøya may be as high as 50.

It is a very dark and sad day for us as a nation.

 

[e033x]

Personally I think it's a lone lunatic whose responsible.

Either way FRP are going to profit from this extremly in the form of voters.

There's a facebook group to light candles for the people who were killed in the bombing and shootings.

http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=214317091947770

For non-norwegians: FRP is our most right-wing party, who stands for much less immigration, and lower thresholds for deporting immigrants.

Also, I find it weird and disgusting that they gain from it, when members of their rival party got killed in Utøya.

It's not exactly in that form that they profit from it. It's from the fear of terrorism of any kind that they profit from. Remember "Snik islamisering" translated: "stealth islamism"

I remember, yes, but I still find it disgusting that their rivals lives pay for it. A witness just claimed 20-30 fatalities on the Utøya shooting.

I heard that too, but I wonder how they lapsed security so much that they allowed a lone policeman (what he was thought to be at the time) enter the island, carrying a scoped rifle. How many snipers are sent for to do security check ups? Ugh this is a dark and sad day in the history of Norway. I still can't believe it.

I don't know where you heard anything about a scoped rifle. According to witnesses it was a machine gun.

The guard who let him in told reporters that he was carrying a pistol and a scoped firearm.

 

[Tuckiozi]

Personally I think it's a lone lunatic whose responsible.

Either way FRP are going to profit from this extremly in the form of voters.

There's a facebook group to light candles for the people who were killed in the bombing and shootings.

http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=214317091947770

For non-norwegians: FRP is our most right-wing party, who stands for much less immigration, and lower thresholds for deporting immigrants.

Also, I find it weird and disgusting that they gain from it, when members of their rival party got killed in Utøya.

It's not exactly in that form that they profit from it. It's from the fear of terrorism of any kind that they profit from. Remember "Snik islamisering" translated: "stealth islamism"

I remember, yes, but I still find it disgusting that their rivals lives pay for it. A witness just claimed 20-30 fatalities on the Utøya shooting.

I heard that too, but I wonder how they lapsed security so much that they allowed a lone policeman (what he was thought to be at the time) enter the island, carrying a scoped rifle. How many snipers are sent for to do security check ups? Ugh this is a dark and sad day in the history of Norway. I still can't believe it.

I don't know where you heard anything about a scoped rifle. According to witnesses it was a machine gun.

The guard who let him in told reporters that he was carrying a pistol and a scoped firearm.

Source is here [http://www.vg.no/nyheter/innenriks/artikkel.php?artid=10080593].

 

[maturin]

Actually, the biggest atrocities were committed by militant atheists (Stalin, Mao, almost any Communist Dictator).

I mentioned atrocities, not body counts. Mao didn't kill anyone during the Great Leap Forward, but millions died in famines caused by the failure of government policies.

And don't you think for a moment that the terrible Arab dictators like Saddam Hussein get off the hook just because they are secular leaders. They are associated with the idea of Muslim and Arab barbarism. And Stalin came from a Christian country, and ruled a state dominated by a Christian country. Most of the people who says hit about Christianity vs. Islam are secular, so this is really about their imaginary clash of civilizations. Russia is (somewhat ambiguously) part of Western civilization, and both Soviet and Chinese Communists aspired to modernity as defined by Western civilization.

And let's not forget the Mufti of Jerusalem, who was in cahoots with Adolf during WWII and had plans on spreading the Holocaust to the Holy Land.

There were British fascists and Hitler-supporters too, what's your point?

Apparently you never heard of that one time when Islam conquered all of the Middle East and Northern Africa.

Don't be a dick. Obviously I have.

The only differences are the the Muslims failed in dominating absolutely everything, and the simple fact that Colonialism was not clearly religiously motivated, whereas the Muslim conquests very clearly were (and stated them as such).

Bollocks. *Secular* Muslim leaders who conquered most of the modern Muslim world wanted the same thing the European colonialists did. Money and power. If you think they decided to conquer the world out of pure religious zeal your are really far too credulous to be seriously discussing history. They merely justified their wars in religious terms, as did Europeans, whether you like it or not. The Spanish conquest of the New World was as religiously-motivated as any seventh-century jihad.

but even then there were no executions of pagans and other non-believers on the part of the Christian missionaries.

Well, duh. That's what soldiers are for. You really think imams went around knifing people?!?

 

[Pinkamena]

Take your fucking religion elsewhere.

 

[DracoSuave]

The gunman in the shooting was white.

So... anyways...

What was I saying about most terrorist attacks are done by the natives of the country attacked?

 

[maturin]

Uff. What a stupid, fucked up world. I could have done such a better job than this.
I agree. If all people who belived in A stayed in a seperate country, then you wouldnt have them figing with people who belive in B. Trying to force people together is causing friction.
See if everywhere was different you could chose which place uits you. But if you dont get on with a group, that group is going to be everywhere becuas of multiculturalsim. Keeping cltures seperate, just works, I dont have to put up with X an X dosent have to put up with me.

You must live in a complete fantasy world, where everyone is neatly segregated by color and language into nice little parcels of borders.

No ones forcing anyone to live together. Your democratic government let immigrants in and they've done nothing that could be considered untoward.

The only time anyone was forced to live together was when your countries took over the places where your immigrants once lived.

What ?! Im not sure if the last part is trolling. I dont knowwhere you live or where you are on about. But Europe is NOT getting any close to genocidal exremism. If your noleft you get fucking zerg rushed and the BNP went on qestion time, and got alot of flak. They made a good point about immigration becase the UK is only so big, but nooooo its the BNP, so evrything is evil. How is Europe getting extreme exactly ?

Look at the votes extremist parties get. See Europe is becoming like an Arab country, where 98% of the people are peaceful, ordinary folks, but 25% of them still say they don't oppose terror attacks.

 

[FllippinIDIOT]

it's strange why Norway is the target, might be an attack from a domestic terrorist, what's stranger is that a man dressed as a police officer went on a shooting rampage at a youth camp. This really is a tragedy.

 

[Ninjasander]

Personally I think it's a lone lunatic whose responsible.

Either way FRP are going to profit from this extremly in the form of voters.

There's a facebook group to light candles for the people who were killed in the bombing and shootings.

http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=214317091947770

For non-norwegians: FRP is our most right-wing party, who stands for much less immigration, and lower thresholds for deporting immigrants.

Also, I find it weird and disgusting that they gain from it, when members of their rival party got killed in Utøya.

It's not exactly in that form that they profit from it. It's from the fear of terrorism of any kind that they profit from. Remember "Snik islamisering" translated: "stealth islamism"

I remember, yes, but I still find it disgusting that their rivals lives pay for it. A witness just claimed 20-30 fatalities on the Utøya shooting.

I heard that too, but I wonder how they lapsed security so much that they allowed a lone policeman (what he was thought to be at the time) enter the island, carrying a scoped rifle. How many snipers are sent for to do security check ups? Ugh this is a dark and sad day in the history of Norway. I still can't believe it.

I don't know where you heard anything about a scoped rifle. According to witnesses it was a machine gun.

The guard who let him in told reporters that he was carrying a pistol and a scoped firearm.

Source is here [http://www.vg.no/nyheter/innenriks/artikkel.php?artid=10080593].

Thank you! Apparently I missed that article.

Seem to be conflicting with some witness statements, but everything is very chaotic at the moment. We'll hopefully get a better overview of everything that has happened in the coming days.

 

[TheTurtleMan]

Wow, this is really terrible, and the situation doesn't seem to be getting too much better. Thoughts and prayers to everyone connected to the attacks.

I would like to point out that the reason many are assuming this was an act of Muslim terrorism is that people of that particular faith have been getting kind of famous in the past few decades for shit like this. I'm not pointing any fingers yet because there hasn't been a solid connection to any group at the time being, I'm just trying to rationalize the assumptions being made.

It wouldn't surprise me if a group like Al-Queda tries taking credit for this later on even if they had nothing to do with it. Announcing to the world that they are behind monstrous acts like this only strengthens the fear others have for them which is by definition, terrorism.

 

[Robert Ewing]

Jesus Christ... Thank god the Prime Minister is safe. I want to know who is responsible so I can condemn them!

 

[Tay051173096]

Its sounds most likely to be a Norway version of the IRA, when are the next elections in Norway?

 

[Jerubbaal]

Point me to the christian suicide bombers

Okay! [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_in_London]

Most terrorist attacks in europe are committed by christians, not muslims.

Where are the Christian suicide bombings? AFAIK, the only non-Muslim group that regularly uses suicide bombings as a tactic are the Buddhist Tamil Tigers. Please point me to the Christian suicide bombers.

You didn't [http://www.asianews.it/news-en/Christian-suspected-in-suicide-bomb-attack-on-Zamboanga-airport-19141.html] look [http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Sky-News-Archive/Article/20080641190443] very [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism#United_States] hard. [http://forum.bismikaallahuma.org/showthread.php?t=26&p=78]

Seriously, if you're going to make an ignorant statement like that... and googling 'christian suicide bombers' lets me find four references on the front page alone... you're clearly not trying to find them.

This is more of a display of your lack of basic fundamental research to support your rhetoric, than a lack of christian suicide bombers or religious figures calling for them.

You didn't even read the links you just gave me, did you?

EDIT: To clarify, the first link is about a suicide bombing where it was suspected that the bomber was a Christian, and even then it was also suggested that he was unaware he was carrying a bomb in the first place. The second lists historical instances of Christian suicide murder, which is a separate (albeit related) phenomenon to suicide bombing, and none of the examples are from the 20th and 21th centuries. And all the examples involve sacrificing your own ship in naval warfare. Your 3rd link says nothing about suicide bombing whatsoever. And your fourth link is about a single Greek Orthodox clergyman who says he supports suicide bombing, though none of his followers have committed any.

Please try harder.

 

[Ninjasander]

Take your fucking religion elsewhere.

What really pisses me off is that I started this.

I'm sorry. >.<

 

[BlackWidower]

I wonder if the explosion and shooting are connected...likely.

 

[Pinkamena]

Take your fucking religion elsewhere.

What really pisses me off is that I started this.

I'm sorry. >.<

No problem. Stuff easily spirals out of control... Can we please just stop it now?

 

[LE0Night]

20-30 believed dead at the shooting site, it was an island, people were shot as they were trying to escape by swimming. It's like 2 miles to shore....

 

[GrizzlerBorno]

Well, the bombs went off outside the political HQ, and there's no terrorist organizations that have claimed responsibility yet. And the shooting took place at a Labor Party youth camp.

There certainly is reason to suspect that it is political.

Utøya is the place where the Norwegian Labour Party hold their summer youth camp.
And the bombings took place at the Government street in Oslo.

As you may or may not know, the Norwegian Labour Party is the dominant party in our coallission government.

Initial eyewitness accounts report that the number of casualties at Utøya may be as high as 50.

It is a very dark and sad day for us as a nation.

So if the Labor party is the dominant, this might've been a plot by the opposition? Forgive me if I sound like a conspiracy loon, but doesn't this seem a bit too....obvious?

I mean as far as I understand it's a government holiday today (btw, what is that for?), so the government buildings were empty. It might just have been a distraction with the youth camp being the primary target. Still, the dominant party's Youth camp? Seems fishy.

And again, sorry if I sound at all dickish for trying to dissect this tragedy.