**Terror in Oslo** UPDATE: Anders Breivik gets 8 weeks of custody

[Pinkamena]

damn dude, you beat cnn to the punch! i saw your post before the cnn coverage showed up on my google news thingy on my homepage.

OT: best regards to the victims. car bombers are douchebags.

That's because I live in norway, and thus got the news much faster than USA.

EDIT: This is just me talking, but I think this has a political motive. Especially considering the shooting at the youth camp.

 

[GrizzlerBorno]

This really hasn't sunk into me yet, but I know that we haven't had anything like this, I don't know, since the war or something. I'll be monitoring this for the days to come.

I am also very confused. Why? What have we done?

Norway is still in Afghanistan, that might be it. Besides, Scandinavia don't have the best reputation with Islam, due to those Muhammad caricatures.

Has Al Qaeda claimed responsibility then? Otherwise, aren't you jumping to conclusions?

 

[Evertw]

It's shocking and unreal. I live in the outskirts of Oslo. I heard the bang but thought it was a planned explosion.

 

[Pinkamena]

This really hasn't sunk into me yet, but I know that we haven't had anything like this, I don't know, since the war or something. I'll be monitoring this for the days to come.

I am also very confused. Why? What have we done?

Norway is still in Afghanistan, that might be it. Besides, Scandinavia don't have the best reputation with Islam, due to those Muhammad caricatures.

Has Al Qaeda claimed responsibility then? Otherwise, aren't you jumping to conclusions?

Just stating the different reason we might be a target by Islam. Not saying they actually did it.

 

[Evertw]

This really hasn't sunk into me yet, but I know that we haven't had anything like this, I don't know, since the war or something. I'll be monitoring this for the days to come.

I am also very confused. Why? What have we done?

Norway is still in Afghanistan, that might be it. Besides, Scandinavia don't have the best reputation with Islam, due to those Muhammad caricatures.

Has Al Qaeda claimed responsibility then? Otherwise, aren't you jumping to conclusions?

Just stating the different reason we might be a target by Islam. Not saying they actually did it.

Personally I think it's a lone lunatic whose responsible.

Either way FRP are going to profit from this extremly in the form of voters.

There's a facebook group to light candles for the people who were killed in the bombing and shootings.

http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=214317091947770

 

[Ninjasander]

damn dude, you beat cnn to the punch! i saw your post before the cnn coverage showed up on my google news thingy on my homepage.

OT: best regards to the victims. car bombers are douchebags.

That's because I live in norway, and thus got the news much faster than USA.

EDIT: This is just me talking, but I think this has a political motive. Especially considering the shooting at the youth camp.

I think I agree with you on that. Given the recent updates and the possibility of the two events being related.

 

[punksnotdead]

Damn. Maybe it was Varg Vikernes. Maybe not him, but somebody who follows the same philosophy as him. But I don't really know what I'm talking about so whatever.

 

[loukasmaki]

Yes, it is. But that was not my point.
I don't like that they try put all muslims in the same group!

Racism is just going to get worse in this country after this.

Yea it doesnt help their cause. If there is more of this, next election in Sweden I'm voting SD. And I doubt I will be alone in doing so.

Yes because electing narrowminded wannabe nazis will create a more secure society. Great logic right there.
Also the majority of terrorist acts are not by muslim extremists they just get the most space in the news.
What needs to be done is looking at the causes of terrorism and why people decide to blow up themselves and others. Because regardless of faith or ethinicity the majority of the people in the world just want to live their lives have a stable income so they can get food and a roof over their head.


Fun fact: Putting a bomb in a package and mail it to someone is a Swedish invention.

 

[Jerubbaal]

Point me to the christian suicide bombers who killed dozens of people

Point me to the Muslim Holocaust mastermind. The most massive, atrocious atrocities the world has ever seen have been committed by those sick, murderously fanatical Christian Europeans. You would have to be insane to let a white man in a tophat anywhere near a heavy weapon. Just applying your judgment consistently here.

Actually, the biggest atrocities were committed by militant atheists (Stalin, Mao, almost any Communist Dictator). And let's not forget the Mufti of Jerusalem, who was in cahoots with Adolf during WWII and had plans on spreading the Holocaust to the Holy Land.

You folks really need to bone up on your history!

and all the christian theocracies out there, and then we'll talk.

There's only one Muslim theocracy in the world, genius, and it's more democratic than most of our Middle Eastern allies. There have been lots of Christian theocracies.

The only difference between the trespasses of Christianity and Islam is that Christian countries successfully dominated, enslaved and brutalized the entirety of the world (minus Bhutan) and took its resources, laying the foundations for advanced economies and liberal ideology. We stole the luxury needed for moral niceties, and the losers are left with the messed-up societies and the weapons of the weak.

Apparently you never heard of that one time when Islam conquered all of the Middle East and Northern Africa. The only differences are the the Muslims failed in dominating absolutely everything, and the simple fact that Colonialism was not clearly religiously motivated, whereas the Muslim conquests very clearly were (and stated them as such). There certainly were those who supported colonialism for the sake of religion, but even then there were no executions of pagans and other non-believers on the part of the Christian missionaries.

 

[e033x]

Personally I think it's a lone lunatic whose responsible.

Either way FRP are going to profit from this extremly in the form of voters.

There's a facebook group to light candles for the people who were killed in the bombing and shootings.

http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=214317091947770

For non-norwegians: FRP is our most right-wing party, who stands for much less immigration, and lower thresholds for deporting immigrants.

Also, I find it weird and disgusting that they gain from it, when members of their rival party got killed in Utøya.

EDIT: And they are going to gain from it. Many on facebook are pledging their vote to FRP.

 

[DayDark]

damn dude, you beat cnn to the punch! i saw your post before the cnn coverage showed up on my google news thingy on my homepage.

OT: best regards to the victims. car bombers are douchebags.

That's because I live in norway, and thus got the news much faster than USA.

EDIT: This is just me talking, but I think this has a political motive. Especially considering the shooting at the youth camp.

Given that the youth camp was a Social-democratic summer thing, do you think it likely the bombings and shooting can have a politically right motive? (assuming it's not al-qaida)

 

[Jerubbaal]

Point me to the christian suicide bombers

Okay! [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_in_London]

Most terrorist attacks in europe are committed by christians, not muslims.

Where are the Christian suicide bombings? AFAIK, the only non-Muslim group that regularly uses suicide bombings as a tactic are the Buddhist Tamil Tigers. Please point me to the Christian suicide bombers.

 

[Herbsk]

I feel sorry for those that were hurt in this act - let's hope they find and get the guys that planned this.

 

[Evertw]

Personally I think it's a lone lunatic whose responsible.

Either way FRP are going to profit from this extremly in the form of voters.

There's a facebook group to light candles for the people who were killed in the bombing and shootings.

http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=214317091947770

For non-norwegians: FRP is our most right-wing party, who stands for much less immigration, and lower thresholds for deporting immigrants.

Also, I find it weird and disgusting that they gain from it, when members of their rival party got killed in Utøya.

It's not exactly in that form that they profit from it. It's from the fear of terrorism of any kind that they profit from. Remember "Snik islamisering" translated: "stealth islamism"

 

[e033x]

Personally I think it's a lone lunatic whose responsible.

Either way FRP are going to profit from this extremly in the form of voters.

There's a facebook group to light candles for the people who were killed in the bombing and shootings.

http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=214317091947770

For non-norwegians: FRP is our most right-wing party, who stands for much less immigration, and lower thresholds for deporting immigrants.

Also, I find it weird and disgusting that they gain from it, when members of their rival party got killed in Utøya.

It's not exactly in that form that they profit from it. It's from the fear of terrorism of any kind that they profit from. Remember "Snik islamisering" translated: "stealth islamism"

I remember, yes, but I still find it disgusting that their rivals lives pay for it. A witness just claimed 20-30 fatalities on the Utøya shooting.

 

[Evertw]

Personally I think it's a lone lunatic whose responsible.

Either way FRP are going to profit from this extremly in the form of voters.

There's a facebook group to light candles for the people who were killed in the bombing and shootings.

http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=214317091947770

For non-norwegians: FRP is our most right-wing party, who stands for much less immigration, and lower thresholds for deporting immigrants.

Also, I find it weird and disgusting that they gain from it, when members of their rival party got killed in Utøya.

It's not exactly in that form that they profit from it. It's from the fear of terrorism of any kind that they profit from. Remember "Snik islamisering" translated: "stealth islamism"

I remember, yes, but I still find it disgusting that their rivals lives pay for it. A witness just claimed 20-30 fatalities on the Utøya shooting.

I heard that too, but I wonder how they lapsed security so much that they allowed a lone policeman (what he was thought to be at the time) enter the island, carrying a scoped rifle. How many snipers are sent for to do security check ups? Ugh this is a dark and sad day in the history of Norway. I still can't believe it.

 

[GrizzlerBorno]

This really hasn't sunk into me yet, but I know that we haven't had anything like this, I don't know, since the war or something. I'll be monitoring this for the days to come.

I am also very confused. Why? What have we done?

Norway is still in Afghanistan, that might be it. Besides, Scandinavia don't have the best reputation with Islam, due to those Muhammad caricatures.

Has Al Qaeda claimed responsibility then? Otherwise, aren't you jumping to conclusions?

Just stating the different reason we might be a target by Islam. Not saying they actually did it.

Fair enough. My heart goes out to your countrymen. As a Muslim myself, I sincerely hope the culprits aren't other fellow Muslims......but the odds aren't looking good for "us" at this point.

I saw you mention to another person that you think this might be political? Care to divulge?

 

[e033x]

Personally I think it's a lone lunatic whose responsible.

Either way FRP are going to profit from this extremly in the form of voters.

There's a facebook group to light candles for the people who were killed in the bombing and shootings.

http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=214317091947770

For non-norwegians: FRP is our most right-wing party, who stands for much less immigration, and lower thresholds for deporting immigrants.

Also, I find it weird and disgusting that they gain from it, when members of their rival party got killed in Utøya.

It's not exactly in that form that they profit from it. It's from the fear of terrorism of any kind that they profit from. Remember "Snik islamisering" translated: "stealth islamism"

I remember, yes, but I still find it disgusting that their rivals lives pay for it. A witness just claimed 20-30 fatalities on the Utøya shooting.

I heard that too, but I wonder how they lapsed security so much that they allowed a lone policeman (what he was thought to be at the time) enter the island, carrying a scoped rifle. How many snipers are sent for to do security check ups? Ugh this is a dark and sad day in the history of Norway. I still can't believe it.

Would you refuse an armed policeman access?

And i agree that this sucks. I just hope this doesn't have too serious impact on our freedom here.

 

[Pinkamena]

SNIP
Fair enough. My heart goes out to your countrymen. As a Muslim myself, I sincerely hope the culprits aren't other fellow Muslims......but the odds aren't looking good for "us" at this point.

I saw you mention to another person that you think this might be political? Care to divulge?

Well, the bombs went off outside the political HQ, and there's no terrorist organizations that have claimed responsibility yet. And the shooting took place at a Labor Party youth camp.

 

[Giest4life]

What does it say about our collective rationality that we have begun passing out the pitchforks and lighting the torches? Terrorism it is, no doubt, but it has not been confirmed even if it's remotely linked to Islam. Probably cause or dystopian hysteria? Right now, most Mulsims in the world are probably praying, "please let it not be a Muslim." As an atheist, I'm praying for that, too.

I wish all the best to Oslo.