**Terror in Oslo** UPDATE: Anders Breivik gets 8 weeks of custody

[martin's a madman]

I like how everyone thought it was a muslim, that's not racist at all...

Now it turns out it was an extremist of norwegian origin and it's no longer terrorism, but a massacre...


Regardless of the choice of words this is a horrible situation, but im glad that the prime minister said that they will not compromise with their ideals despite of this catastrophe.

That isn't racist at all. It's prejudice against a religion, but it isn't racism.
Islam isn't a race.

 

[P.Tsunami]

Dear people of Norway and the world,
never forget the 22nd of July 2011,
never forgive.

I can promise you I'll never forget it. I can also promise you I will do my damn best to forgive, I don't want to carry all this hate in my heart the rest of my life.

Anders Behring Breivik does not win if I forgive him.

I lose if I do not.

 

[Kargathia]

That isn't racist at all. It's prejudice against a religion, but it isn't racism.
Islam isn't a race.

According to a UN resolution the definition of racism has changed from not only being centerd around race, but also major culture/religious differences.

But you are right, by the old definition of the term this would not be racism.

Times have however changed

The only things that have changed in this are the politically correct options, and the name of the players.

We're still the same twats that burned Christians for the great fire of Rome, and lynched jews for causing the bubonic plague.

 

[ceyriot]

This is a horrible thing to have happened, but its still terrorism. Just because a white person did it doesn't make it NOT a terrorist attack...

 

[Jegsimmons]

How's that gun control working for you Norway? I thought banning guns took them out of the hands of criminals and the insane.

So enlighten me, how many dies in US compared to Norway yearly?

Douche T.T"

well you guys dont border mexico or have 300 million people and alot of other factors the USA has to compensate for....but that was douchey comment.

Still. The US has nearly 10 times as many homicides per capita compared to Norway...

still gun are used to save 2-4 million people a year (while between 10-14 thousand are victims of violent crimes per year and thats lowering). and if you actually take the percentage of population murdered in the US and euorpean countries...not much of a difference. while we have more deaths, the percentage is nearly the exact same. also, not all of our murders are with guns.

wow this got off topic.

 

[fenrizz]

I cried last night, and I've been crying all day for the insane inhumanity and evil that has occurred. Over 91 innocent lives, 84 of them were just youths, because of one extremely evil man. I've cried for my fellow Norwegian youths, and everyone who feels touched.

Dear people of Norway and the world,
never forget the 22nd of July 2011,
never forgive.

I too have cried several times last night and today.

Even thought I was not personally affected it is still very emotional for me.
It's so sad and horrible, and my heart goes out to all the grieving families and individuals in Norway.

22.07.11
Never forget

 

[Meight08]

Dear people of Norway and the world,
never forget the 22nd of July 2011,
never forgive.

I can promise you I'll never forget it. I can also promise you I will do my damn best to forgive, I don't want to carry all this hate in my heart the rest of my life.

Anders Behring Breivik does not win if I forgive him.

I lose if I do not.

and the award for wisest human being goes to......

ot:You are right hate makes us just as worse as Anders

 

[Jegsimmons]

How's that gun control working for you Norway? I thought banning guns took them out of the hands of criminals and the insane.

So enlighten me, how many dies in US compared to Norway yearly?

This picture is one of my favourites:
[HEADING=3]Per capita intentional homicide.[/HEADING]
[sub]Deeper blue = higher homicide rate.[/sub]

Yeah, clearly gun control isn't working out for us at all.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

does not account for variables (which are many) or the 2-4 million times a year a gun has prevented a crime or murder.

so that map really has little scientific basis about gun control. since about half of us violent crime isnt gun related.

 

[mikev7.0]

Excerpted from my fbook status:

17 dead in Norway. This was not the work of Al-Qaeda. This was not the work of religious fervor from the Middle East. This was the work of a man who hated freedom. This was the work of a man who feared 'terrorism' so much that he became the face of what he hated.

Islam did not kill those people with bombs, or shoot children on Outer Island. It was a man, an embodiment of intolerance, the face of the new fear. Are there muslims who hate? Yes. But they are not the face of Islam, any more than this killer in Norway is the face of Christianity, or of Norwegian ideals.

Hatred transcends religion, it transcends ideology, and it transcends political lines. The war on terror is foolish; most terrorist attacks have been, and always will be, performed on home soil by the ones who live there. The madness must stop. The hatred must stop. This is insanity. My heart is with Norway today, who will bravely rise above this, and will not allow this man to destroy freedom, or demolish peace.

Do not let the men, women, and children taken by terrorism die in vain. Freedom will never bow to the likes of villains and madmen such as the gunman/bomber in Norway.

Good words, even though I'm afraid humanity is 'broken', and has been for a long, long time. Maybe in some hundred years the madness and hate will find an end for the most part, but I'm afraid we won't see it in our lifetimes.

I'm not a better person than that I wish for a slow painful death for mr. Breivik.

Those are very good words, and really, no offense, but if that's how you feel about humanity then you are part of why it would be broken, I just don't agree that it is. It's just that the best articles about humanity remain unwritten as they are not as interesting as the sensational stories. I hate when people pull out that "not in my lifetime" excuse and use it as a reason to abandon hope and with it, effort. Maybe things would happen in your lifetime if you just tried to make them happen? Complaining and bemoaning life might seem easier but it doesn't make it any richer.

 

[The Rogue Wolf]

I like how everyone thought it was a muslim, that's not racist at all...

The term that would work here is "bigotry", not racism. And I read the first ten pages of comments on the New York Times (a fairly liberal publication) and can basically summarize the majority of them thusly:

"Bombing in Norway? See, it's them Muslims again! They won't stop! Shut the borders, kill them all!"
"Uh, it turns out that the person responsible was white, Christian, nationalist and extremely right-wing."
"...you're missing the point! Muslims are evil, we have to keep bombing them or they'll kill us all! Or worse, make us Communists!"

The problem is not religion, or pro/anti-firearms cultures, or nationalism/racism/anyotherism. The problem is that there is a flaw in HumanOS 1.0 where some users come to the conclusion "It's okay for me to kill them; they don't agree with me". Until we get a patch for this, we all need to realize that nobody is ever perfectly safe, and we just need to deal with that reality.

 

[Jonluw]

How's that gun control working for you Norway? I thought banning guns took them out of the hands of criminals and the insane.

So enlighten me, how many dies in US compared to Norway yearly?

This picture is one of my favourites:
[HEADING=3]Per capita intentional homicide.[/HEADING]
[sub]Deeper blue = higher homicide rate.[/sub]

Yeah, clearly gun control isn't working out for us at all.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

does not account for variables (which are many) or the 2-4 million times a year a gun has prevented a crime or murder.

so that map really has little scientific basis about gun control. since about half of us violent crime isnt gun related.

That isn't the point.
The map makes it very obvious that Norway's strict gun-control hasn't led to high murder-rates in Norway. Indeed, Norway has some of the lowest murder-rates in the world, and there is no reason to believe that relaxing gun control is going to lower murder-rates.
In fact, if you move to the east of Norway and Sweden (which both have strict gun-control) and take a look at Finland (which has been criticized by other Scandinavian countries for its lax gun control), you will see that their murder-rates are high compared to the neighbouring countries.
Basically, looking at neighbouring countries that are very similar in most ways, except for gun control, and then seeing that the country with the most lax gun control has almost 5 times the amount of homicide of its neighbours, you'd have to be a madman to propose the neighbouring countries should adopt that country's gun control policies.
"Don't change a winning team", I guess you could say.

Basically, when you're saying Norway should let up on the gun control, you might as well be saying "Look at Finland. You should emulate them." The notion that guns make a country safer just doesn't make sense.

Hoping to lower Norway's homicide rates is pretty useless already. With humans being what they are, you can't get much better than 0.6 per capita. Any improvements would be marginal at best; and thankfully there is not a single significant political group in Norway that actually believes we could achieve that by introducing more weapons to the country.

I guess fighting fire with fire and 'an eye for an eye' isn't really a part of the collective Norwegian psyche. Guns for everyone just doesn't fit the spirit of the country.

Edit: And much less than half of Norwegian violent crime is presumably gun-related by the way. I can't find the stats for Norway in particular, but the stats from Finland and Denmark point in that direction.
And then there's the fact that homicide by gun alone in the US is nearly 5 times as high as homicide altogether in Norway.

 

[Siege_TF]

The only things that have changed in this are the politically correct options, and the name of the players.

We're still the same twats that burned Christians for the great fire of Rome, and lynched jews for causing the bubonic plague.

Don't think I've ever lynched a jew, or burned any christians, though the day is young. Still, if you want to go anywhere that sort of thing is still acceptable you need to go to the Congo, not Norway or even the middle east, and even then it's because the country is a cesspool rather than because of political and/or religious extremism.

 

[Jezzascmezza]

84 dead from a single shooting?
Good God, that's awful news.
Hearing stuff like this just makes me feel sick.

 

[Kair]

Q: When is a religious fundamentalist mass murderer just a madman?
A: When he's a white christian fundamentalist.

The sheep started crying terrorism right away, trying to unify the herd through religion and nationalism.

Then after some time, it was known that the perpetrator was a white christian nationalist nutbag, just like the sheep.

As if it was only white Christian nationalists crying Islamic terrorism.

I was not crying terrorism. But neither am I a part of the herd.

Nationalism, religion, xenophobia and prejudice are all symptoms of the same mental illness. There are many more symptoms.

 

[Karthak]

Basically, when you're saying Norway should let up on the gun control, you might as well be saying "Look at Finland. You should emulate them." The notion that guns make a country safer just doesn't make sense.

I'm Finnish, and I believe the most common murder weapon in Finland is a knife. http://www.finnresearch.fi/3_oksanen_et_al_2010.pdf

In my country the classic scenario seems to be that two or more middle-aged men get drunk, get into an argument, and stab each other. I fully support gun control, but guns aren't that big a problem here compared to drunks flailing around with kitchen utensils.