Texas schools pass out tickets instead of detention slips

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Pojo-san

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There has been a rise of police officers being hired on school campuses in Texas school districts. They have been ticketing children with a Class C ticket and a trip to the courtroom for offenses such as misbehaving on a bus, disrupting class, profanity, starting fights, and other things of such nature. Some school districts, such as the Dallas/Fort Worth area, will ticket children as young as six for bad behavior while others areas will have an age restriction such as the offender has to be ten years or older to receive a ticket in the Houston area. This causes thousands of cases to flood the court system. Not only does the child get ticketed, in some cases, the parents or the guardian of the child will receive one and a trip to the courtroom as well. Over the course of five years this method has issued over 1,000 tickets to elementary school students, and in 2006-2007 more than 4,000 tickets has been issued to students in Dallas ISD alone. The tickets can cost a family up to $500 depending on the offense.

So I ask you, do you think this is fair? Do you think this will cause parents to finally straighten up their act and actually discipline their kids? Do you think that there should be a uniform age limit to give a student a ticket? Do you think that this method should be thrown out, modified, or kept the way it is?

In my opinion, I agree with this method because of a few things. One, teachers are not babysitters. Parents have a misconception that teachers will help raise their child as if it where their own and "babysit" them. That is not their job parents. Their job is to teach them math, science, and other things to function in modern society. Disciplining them is not in their job description nor is behavior modification, and I'm not saying that teachers will not punish a student for misconduct. Manners, proper behavior, morals, and other personality traits of such nature really starts at the home not in the classroom, and if the student is displaying some kind of bad behavior you might want to look at the home environment first.

The other is as a former high school student (graduated about 3 years ago), I know how destructive high school students can truly be. Recently graduated high school students will probably know what I am talking about. When you get into college, start acting your age, and grow up, you start to shake your head at many things that happened in high school you once upon a time thought were funny or cool. When you look back as an adult you kind of realize that some of the stuff was down right stupid. Example, when I was in high school some one took, and I kid you not, crap from the toilet and smeared it all over the walls of the boys restroom. They drew sexual drawings and wrote profanity all over the place. It took several days to clean it up and to get rid of the smell. As a high school student, I thought it was a bit funny, but now I realized how disgusting, stupid, and unoriginal that act was. This kind of behavior makes one ask, "Why? What's the point?" while they shake their head in disbelief. I truly believe that this kind of disciplinary action should be focused more on high schools students above everyone else because of incidents like these. This is the time when students will act out the most.

The only criticism that I can think of for this is that this will not make parents step up as parents. Many parents these days are content on just letting the TV and video games raise their kids and will not touch parenting with a 10 ft pole, or approx. a 3 meter poll for you European people who are reading this. Lazy parents will not change their behavior not matter what. They will just pay the fine, give the child a slap on the wrist, and the child will run off and either do it again or do something worse. People like this make me lose some of my faith in humanity. The other issue I have is that I don't believe that young children should be ticketed. They are just doing what kids do, so why are you punishing them for it? I think the uniform age limit should 10 or 11.

So what do you guys think? Please keep it civil.

Edit: Yes, I realize that this post in the wrong section. I know that this should be off-topic, but it wasn't until I posted this thread up that I saw my mistake. So please forgive for this. I know I "done goofed."
 

yungr3zzyson

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Completely agree!! The world is becoming more and more like Idiocracy everyday. :( Kudos if you like the movie!!
 

migo

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It's stupid. It's been established that punitive methods don't help. At all.
 

Deathkingo

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Well, I live in Texas an haven't heard about it, but I think it sounds grand. Most troublesome kids don't care is they get a detention, or get yelled at by some superior, but no one likes getting a ticket.
 

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AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA! Oh, that's incredible.

Anyways, this might have some effect if the word "money" meant anything to an eight-year-old. It doesn't, so clearly this is an incredibly bad idea.
 
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Yeah, thats what we need. More pointless cases flooding the court system.

I think this is rather stupid. Then again, there isn't much anyone can do. If you so much as lay a finger on a child, you get accused of either molestation or beating the kid.

Maybe on the older kids I guess(would still be a stretch), but on elementary students? Thats just fucking stupid.

And disciplining students was in a teacher's job description. They used to have the power to beat any misbehaving students with a ruler. Or something like a ruler. They can't now, obviously, but they used to. At least in some areas.
 

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Well it may not mean anything to the kid, but it does to the parent. And if the parent thinks that bad kid=tickets=money, then they should also process that discipline=good kid=no money loss
 

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It won't affect the (I hate using this word)troublemakers at my school. The kids who get in trouble the most also happen to be the children of the wealthist families in the area.
 

Pojo-san

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Deathkingo said:
Well, I live in Texas an haven't heard about it, but I think it sounds grand. Most troublesome kids don't care is they get a detention, or get yelled at by some superior, but no one likes getting a ticket.
I live in Texas as well. I haven't heard about it either until recently.

lacktheknack said:
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA! Oh, that's incredible.

Anyways, this might have some effect if the word "money" meant anything to an eight-year-old. It doesn't, so clearly this is an incredibly bad idea.
True, but their parents do. The question that need to be asked is this enough to get parents to do their job? Also it's not just little children who are being ticketed. It's also middle school and high school children as well. So even though it might not work on a someone younger than 10 it might be more effective on a person who understands money a bit better especially if the parent says, "I'm not paying for your ticket. You didn't follow the rules so now you must pay the price or else go to jail." A little harsh, yes, but it will force them to understand that there are consequences.
 

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Instead of bothering with these stopgap methods, why not regulate who can and can't have kids so you don't end up with lots and lots of crapwads clogging the schools? That seems to be the logical conclusion of your arguement.

Fighting in school and other such activities are the product of society. And I don't think issuing first graders $500 fines and court summons for roughousing is going to help "fix" it.
 

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Pojo-san said:
Deathkingo said:
Well, I live in Texas an haven't heard about it, but I think it sounds grand. Most troublesome kids don't care is they get a detention, or get yelled at by some superior, but no one likes getting a ticket.
I live in Texas as well. I haven't heard about it either until recently.

lacktheknack said:
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA! Oh, that's incredible.

Anyways, this might have some effect if the word "money" meant anything to an eight-year-old. It doesn't, so clearly this is an incredibly bad idea.
True, but their parents do. The question that need to be asked is this enough to get parents to do their job? Also it's not just little children who are being ticketed. It's also middle school and high school children as well. So even though it might not work on a someone younger than 10 it might be more effective on a person who understands money a bit better especially if the parent says, "I'm not paying for your ticket. You did follow the rules so now you must pay the price or else go to jail." That is what I would do personally.
Considering how many parents post bail for their kid who's in prison for the tenth time for various criminal activities instead of LEAVING him there until he pays for it himself, I won't be surprised if parents don't take the hint.

I'm not sure the American justice system needs extra strain right now, anyways.
 

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Pojo-san said:
They have been ticketing children with a Class C ticket and a trip to the courtroom for offenses such as misbehaving on a bus, disrupting class, profanity, starting fights, and other things of such nature.
Nope, needs to be scrapped. Taking it way too far. It's ridiculous. Not going to work. It's just poor form.

1. Misbehaving on the bus is defined as pretty much whatever the bus driver doesn't like. Being too loud, talking about topics that the bus driver finds offensive (like say, I'm a muslim. You're ass is canned meat.) It's a stupidly broad and undefined charge for a ticket.

2. Profanity I don't think should be punished by anything but a verbal warning for a couple reasons. The words mean about nothing to anyone these days. "Fuck you!" used to be offensive, but now it's like calling someone a horse thief. ...No one cares. The other half of it is they're just words, words only hurt if you let them. We shouldn't punish anyone for words.

Yeah parents need to step up and -be- parents. That's obvious. This is not the way to handle it though.
 

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If it works, then keep using it. If it doesn't, don't.

You can't issue tickets for profanity because that conflicts with the whole 'free speech' thing, so either they made in incredible oversight, or it's a false statement.
 

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In principle, it seems like a good idea I could support. But I'm not too sure on the specifics of it. Does this actually go onto a kid's criminal record? How much is the average fine? What does it take to get a $500 fine? It's all well and good if the average fine is like, say, somewhere between $10-$50, but I wouldn't make the fines too excessive. And something like using profanity in a school isn't a crime legally, so I'm not sure how the police handle marking a kid's criminal record with this. Stuff like destruction of public property, vandalism, and assault (for bullies) are, so I can see those things being marked down. In other words, I don't have a problem with it if the punishment fits the crime.
 

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Irridium said:
Yeah, thats what we need. More pointless cases flooding the court system.
There are some judges who get these cases and will just throw them out saying that it's stupid. Some will even only punish the parents. Probably in an attempt to make them step up and take responsible. Don't know for sure.

Xzi said:
If this system was being implemented simply to curb bad behavior, it would be alright. But that's not why they're doing it...it's for the money, like everything else. Which makes it bullshit. This is what happens when our justice system becomes for-profit.

Oh and BTW, don't think this was meant to be in gaming discussion.
I think it a mixture of both. Student behavior is a serious issue here. There are students who will leave school to go vandalize a house or business. Money is another issue. Texas pumps a lot of money into the education system. A vast majority of the federal budget and taxes that the state gets goes right into education. With the economy the way it is, Texas has been receiving less money from the federal government, so it's trying to make up for what it is losing by doing this. Then they can take the money and pump it into the school system. However, I think the state is doing it more for the money than the actual prevention of bad behavior.

Also I didn't realize that I had posted this thread up in the wrong section until it was too late.
 

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I think its a good Idea but implemented badly.

It punishes the parents more than the children
 

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Speaking as a teacher in a fractionally less reactionary country than the US, I think police and schools should stay apart unless someone's breaking an actual law. Parents who don't discipline their kids won't suddenly start because they got a court order, they'll just continue bad parenting. Decent parents who get a court order will cry foul, and rightly.

But! I totally agree that bringing up good kids starts in the home; we teachers *do* help raise your kids and teach them right from wrong, but a) we only get them from the age of 5, b) you're their model and influence and c) we have too much else we need to teach them.
 

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It's a good idea on paper, but in practice I'd imagine it would just create tons of work for the justice system.