The acceptable face of middle aged women being attracted to minors.

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ElPatron

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bdcjacko said:
Why can't women have fantasies of 18 year old boys? They are of concenting age here in the states. Men do the same thing.
So you justify a wrong thing by saying the other party is wrong too?



Criminals shoot police officers because apparently "Cops shoot back".
 

maninahat

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CrystalShadow said:
Yep double standard.

Being a UK ad it's also worth noting the age of consent is 16.

But yes, men are much more likely to be considered creepy... Women, not so much.

But that also plays into the more basic fact that women/girls are inherently thought of as being victims, and men/boys as being aggressors.

This means that a middle-aged woman benefits from this idea as long as the 'boy' she's perving on is old enough to vaguely resemble an adult.
It has even worse repercussions than that. When people say paedophile, the first thing they picture is a letcherous, gay old man. Statistically, female paedophiles are in the slight majority, and young heterosexual women seem to be one of the most common culprits. A large part of that is down to job roles: women are more likely to enter care or teaching roles - putting women in close proximity to children and teenagers. On top of that is the idea that if a teenage (underage) boy gets laid by an older lady, it is regarded as an achievement by the boy and his mates. This semi-consent allegedly makes the statutory rape acceptable. In media situations or in court, these biases can have a potentially huge influence.

In regards to the advert: AHH AHHH AHHH AHHHHHH!!! The fuck are those things supposed to be?
 

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ThreeWords said:
TrilbyWill said:
its a fucking joke.
This. All the way home.
Honestly, it's even pretty ambiguous. The idea that all middle aged women who enjoy Beiber's music want to bang him is silly. Some women just enjoy crappy love songs. That or there's something really attractive about Barry Manilow I just don't see.
 

Dark Prophet

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I think there is a South Park episode about that subject matter which explains this social odditie nicely.
 

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Why did they include that line? It was out of nowhere.

sturryz said:
No, No, No you people missed the point. She wants to EAT Bieber.
Considering the context, I'm inclined to agree. But then we have to deal with the double entendre of her wanting to eat him.
 

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ElPatron said:
bdcjacko said:
Why can't women have fantasies of 18 year old boys? They are of concenting age here in the states. Men do the same thing.
So you justify a wrong thing by saying the other party is wrong too?



Criminals shoot police officers because apparently "Cops shoot back".
Women think Justin Bieber being sexy isn't wrong.
 

Frankster

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Texas Joker 52 said:
Now, as for the point you were trying to make, I can definitely see what you mean, but the point is, Bieber is a large, public name. And no matter how old large public names are, be they music artists, actors, or other celebrities, people are going to fantasize about them, more so if they happen to be attractive and appeal to their particular tastes.

I think the real point I need to make is that, its just a character that you're pointing the finger at, and not even an actual human character, just an alien puppet with a humans voice coming out of it. That is in no way a real person voicing their real opinion, or even someone that is outright saying that they fantasize about Justin Bieber. All in all, I think theres no real reason to be up in arms over this commercial, but that's just me. Seeing as I've never gone to Great Britain, or even really care what people fantasize about, I can't honestly say one way or another if its really wrong or not.
Agree with the 2 points made by this very sensible post.

Whilst I am a bit disturbed that cougars are more socially acceptable despite being the same flavor of creepy as pedos, this just reinfoces my personal view that the old gender role stereotypes that quite a few people base their world views on need to be challenged. But this ain't the thread to bring all that up cos really, the offender is just a puppet.

Could have been miss piggy lusting over bieber or gonzo saying euh...myley cyrus or whatever american teen tartlet you have atm is a cutie, would be same thing as this vid more or less.
 

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I was gonna get mad but then I realised the age of consent here is 16, so while it is creepy it's perfectly legal.
 

darksakul

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ph0b0s123 said:
sturryz said:
No, No, No you people missed the point. She wants to EAT Bieber.
Even if that was the case and it is a play on words, it only works due to other women of that age thinking 'mmmm bieber....' and wanting to eat him.
darksakul said:
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I do not see the problem, men fantasied about younger women for centuries now.
Name me 1 heterosexual male in his 40 and up who do not mind looking at 18 to 19 year old females in swimwear?
In a truly equality of the sexes society, the middle age women need there eye candy too.
Younger women, that does not mean minors. We are talking about a person who has only been 17 for a couple of months. Not an 18 or 19 year old. And if you have pictures of 16 or 17 year old's in underwear or bikinis, you are doing something potentially illegal, even in the UK

I was not making any judgments about fantasizing about younger people when I made this post, just on the disparity.
I am thinking you read too much into it.
You never saw a girl in swimwear though she looked hot only to find out shes only 16 or 17?

But I not advocating that, I just saying older men oggie at 18 years olds in swimwear why can women do the same? Why it has to be morally wrong for 1 gender but not the other.
 

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It was just a tiny part of a commerical meant as a joke... I don't take it seriously, and even if I did I wouldn't have a problem with it.
 

BRex21

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AzrealMaximillion said:
You never hear about women fantasizing about minors or young men in that manner.
But you DO! ALL THE TIME! There's TV programs like the previously mentioned Cougar Town or Sex in the City specifically about women hunting young sex partners. There's the phenomenon of groups like Twilight Moms or women who are aroused by other young, often underage, celebrities and lets not forget that while child porn is illegal, when put in the literary format (more popular with women) it is protected free speech. All of these aspects of female sexuality are accepted and often celebrated often in the same cultures and mediums that paint men as perverts looking for the easy prey of younger women.
Sadly what you RARELY hear about are issues like this: http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/news/story.html?id=604d29af-5999-47ec-a156-0f5bc96954f2 in which real victims, by virtue of being male, are ignored. The study in this article was done in 2008 and the only response after getting the results was to fund more female-specific shelters and help centres. What you don't hear about is that these women are perverts who need to be locked up, as you would if the genders were reversed simply that they are free empowered women.
 

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TheJayke said:
Nickolai77 said:
SovietPanda said:
am i not watching this properly, who here is fantasizing about justin beiber? the alien daughter mentions him in a jokingly insulting way and thats it. really dont know what your taking offense with here.
Justin Beiber's 17 years old...the alien mother, who we can presume is aged 30-50, says "mmmm Bieber", implying sexual lust.

Now if the farther had lusted after a 17 year old girl, that would have been regarded as inappropriate, which is the OP's point- why the hypocrisy?

I'll just say that society has certain gender expectations, like for instance how men are expected to work, and women have the choice to work or be a housewife and won't be looked down upon for either. Men are expected to be leaders, women are seen as more maternal and caring, men are seen as potentially violent but also brave, women are seen as being potentially bitchy etc...

As far as i'm concerned these views are shaped by a complex interaction of nature and nurture psychological factors- gender expectations do change over time of course, because gender expectations are in part a social construct, but because there's a nature element there as well- there will always be gender expectations in some form or another.
Now this, I understand and agree with what you are saying, society does have certain expectations of each gender. Which is why these big things for womens rights, and getting paid the same as men annoys me, (not that I disagree with them being equal) but when they can campaign about equality, yet still expect men to act chivalrous, and pay for things, and allow ourselves to be hit without retaliation. Again, I don't condone violence to women, but when they can campaign all the time about how both genders should be equal, then throw up double standards everywhere, it irks me.

It's a similar situation with racism in the UK. (not sure how it is elsewhere) If a white man was to say that white people are better, he would be instantly shot down for racism. If a black man was to claim he was part of the superior race, then he would be praised for having racial pride.

We are part of a hypocritical country and it cannot be helped, minorities, and those seen as having less power, will fight valiantly for equality, yet still feel as though they can be protected by certain double standards.

Anyway, rant over..
Well, if a black man was to proclaim his race as superior i think people would know that is wrong, but the emotive impact it causes is far less than a white man proclaiming his race as being superior- because of it's relation to things like the KKK and Nazism and slavery.

At the end of the day, we in the West have our ideals about how in society we should all be equal and free, and while these are good and moral ideals to live by, society isn't a rational entity, it will have all sorts of hypocrisies and contradictions because society is a very complicated irrational thing shaped by history.

What i'm saying is that while the West has rational ideals about how we should live, Western society itself can not be rational but societies are inevitably irrational.
 

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As long as the law isn't recognizing any double standard, then it's really up to people's own standards whether they personally view it as different or not. It is their inalienable right to despise men for the exact same thing m does (or vice versa, as will come into play when a woman is playing the field an being sexually aggressive)

You don't have to listen to anything but the law, and hence nothing else ultimately matter. Unless you yourself choose it to, in pursuit of social acceptance or whatever.
 

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Dags90 said:
ThreeWords said:
TrilbyWill said:
its a fucking joke.
This. All the way home.
Honestly, it's even pretty ambiguous. The idea that all middle aged women who enjoy Beiber's music want to bang him is silly. Some women just enjoy crappy love songs. That or there's something really attractive about Barry Manilow I just don't see.
No one is saying "all middle aged women who enjoy Beiber's music want to bang him" that would be ridiculous, the issue is that we have one of very many instances in which a woman expresses her interest in an underage male, and keep in mind they have been doing this for years, he hasn't always been over the age of consent.

Noelveiga said:
Sooo... nobody is going to address the ridiculous amount of widely publicised "barely legal" female porn and the countdowns until the Olsen sisters and Emma Watson coming of age the Internet creepily held, then?

Aw, fine. It's just us poor penis-wielders, being oppressed as always.
In fact plenty of people do, constantly, in fact the reason for this post is that so much of our culture cries that those people are perverts while ignoring or celebrating it when its done by women.
Essentially that this:
http://countdowntiljustinbieberturns18.com/ is okay but what you mentioned is sick, oh and incidentally Beiber isn't barely legal porn, he is technically kiddie porn for another 97 days and a bit at the time of this post.