The Army (Specifically the Canadian Forces)
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what you'll have to make fun of yourself for careless assumptions? since you're in school, yeah stay there learn something or hell do what i did and TALK to the people in the army and actually ask them what they do over thereLarenxis said:
i assure you they are going to war, they are trying to keep the peace, hence why they are called, here's the kicker, PEACE-KEEPERS and they are on a .... think you can figure out where this is going? .... PEACE KEEPING MISSION
go ahead make a crack at my literacy cause i assure you i'm more well read than you are, especially on matters of war and what's going on in the world. you tend to pay attention to things when your friends and family members are over in afghanistan and their lives are potentially at risk
canada has ha military? lol just kidding. i know they have one but what they need to do is invade a country like turkey and then change the name to chicken.
an american that was high on drugs while flying his fighter jet gun downed a bunch of canadians after being told not to. he got a slap on the wrist and wasn't charged more.Alotak said:
on the converse side, some canadian troops hazed some somolians, the whole brigade was disbanned and the leaders were publicly court marshaled and i do believe so were some of the commanders as well as those involved
Cleverlymadeup, you're just being stupid now. Fine ifyou dissagree, but don't get so angry about it, we have every reason to believe what we do. If we were just speaking out of our asses, then fine. But we're not.
And while I'm at it, I hate that we're pretty much America's *****.
And while I'm at it, I hate that we're pretty much America's *****.
frankly i think what you believe is wrong and very misinformed, my information happens to be first hand. like i said i happen to know a lot of military people, i KNOW what they do cause i ask them what they do and hey they tell me as much as they can, i don't use truthiness like you areEasykill said:
and sorry to say we aren't america's *****, if we were then we would have went to iraq, we didn't tho.
seriously learn something about politics and how international relations and the role the canadian military plays in the world and then come back and talk to me and then try to say how full of crap i am, cause i know you won't say that after you actually learn what our soliders do
I refuse to talk to you any longer, but I will say this; we are America's *****. Why? Look it up, I have no intention of teaching a rock. I'm not putting down our soldiers, but I don't like this brand of justice, when it matters, it always fails. Look at Rwanda.
Anyways, you are right in that I don't know much about politics, I haven't had an opportunity to take a course on it and I'd rather not do it in my spare time, but what little I know is more than enough to make it glaringly obvious you're being a dumbass.
Anyways, you are right in that I don't know much about politics, I haven't had an opportunity to take a course on it and I'd rather not do it in my spare time, but what little I know is more than enough to make it glaringly obvious you're being a dumbass.
ummm so the fact we went into a place that was an active warzone and had human rights violations that makes china look like Mother Theresa in comparison and tried to keep the peace then yeah we're horribleEasykill said:
also with rwanda it was ONLY canada, other counties didn't participate
http://www.edu.pe.ca/montaguehigh/grass/socialstudies/peacekeeping/missions.htm
honestly if you want to make me look like a dumbass, learn what you're talking about first, google can prove you wrong pretty easily about our roll in Rwanda
we are far from america's *****, and as you said look it up cause i HAVE looked it up and i do understand our roll in the world stage
Heard a story about a soldier who was to speak to a school, until the principal withdrew the invitation. Her justification: "Well, you have everything needed to be a murderer."Mykail.Morrier said:As a soldier currently deployed(US Army), I have this to say to a few things I've read;
If you want to join the armed forces, that's your call; however, anyone who says soldiers are trained to kill is correct... only the emphasis they place on it makes it sound like we're a bunch of child murdering sociopaths, and I'm not a big fan of that classification. I also notice people are talking about the rights and wrongs of this war, and I couldn't give a damn what is right and what is wrong when there are people over here fighting to protect me; I joined up to help them, regardless of any political affiliations.
Would I recommend joining the military? That's a case by case thing. A baby on the way and a pay cut? Financially speaking, it's not the best move; but the chance to safeguard the world your baby daughter is coming into is a liberating feeling... I feel good knowing that I'm doing my part to serve my country, like my father before me. After this war is over, whatever happens, I know I'll have done something besides complain and watch people die in my name.
As for the comment by the british soldier, I can only surmise that more americans have died because Americans have committed so many more soldiers to the war, running more ops, and a mix up on the part of british and american commanders speaking gets people killed. All in all, it's good to have you guys over here; we love you guys
His response: "Well, ma'am, you have everything needed to be a prostitute, but I'm not accusing you of being one." (May be apocryphal - I've never heard a soldier be even that rude to a civvie, even a self-righteous prat.)
To all those serving now, in the past, and in the future - my thanks and my respect. Soldiers are taught a lot of things; the only constant is the discipline, self-sacrifice, and some level of danger not shared by civilians. Giving up so much of your personal liberty to protect liberty for, or bring liberty to, others is a noble thing.
To Niniux - I'd be hesitant about joining with a child on the way unless your wife is completely behind you AND is familiar with military life and its sacrifices. It's hard enough to keep a marriage together during military deployments even when it starts on that basis. If you do decide to enlist, well, I've known many who hated service, but few that regretted serving.
EDIT: Added stuff.
EDIT #2: Added smartass stuff.
Um...Sesame?cleverlymadeup said:
Blast. There goes my reason for joiningMykail.Morrier said:
But seriously, as a child of a paratrooper and a grunt I have to say that the military has a lot of great aspects. Anyone who tells a soldier that the war he fights in is wrong is mis-informed. The soldier doesn't choose where they are deployed, they do not choose for country x to attack country y, they just do what they're told. It's just like working in an office or indeed at school (though school is rather lax on the rules).
I've seen supreme, well, cock-heads turn into semi-decent people because of the training they have received in the forces. My paratrooper parent became a sky-diving instructor (though screaming "WAAAAGGHHH!" at the top of my lungs still doesn't go down well when we dive) and I had a very comfortable life growing up.
Plus they fund most of your stuff (living on base etc.) at least for a while. The pay isn't that great but I've lived on rat-packs for more years of my life than not and it's not so bad, so you can be set to make a lot of cash on this (high interest bank account and don't withdraw it for a few years == success!).
My $0.02 AU
first part is debatable but not from the soldier's point of view, second part is correct thoGitsnik said:
my friend is a paratrooper and is now an instructor, he loves it and has some kick ass storiesGitsnik said:
and werepossum, i have heard a few stories of army guys laying into civies but it's not that often they do, they're trained not to, look at drill instructors and the insults they hurl at them, full metal jacket has a great example of this and he was a real drill instructor and how he got that part was pretty darn funny too
You proberbly shouldn't join the army if you don't enjoy the prospect of killing people.
Also, you proberbly shouldn't join the army if you would enjoy the prospect of killing people, that could get you into trouble.
Also, you proberbly shouldn't join the army if you would enjoy the prospect of killing people, that could get you into trouble.
As a new recruit in the Canadian Forces (artillery), I do recommend joining. It's a solid career with excellent security and good pay, and a sense of camaraderie that you will not find anywhere else. Seriously, even from my limited experience, the "we're all in this together, even the new guys" attitude is incredible.
i really don't think you understand the roll of peace keeping or how the UN forces actually work, they can't do much they must remain neutral, cause hey i learned that from someone in the army that actually DID peace keeping, both in Bosnia and Golan Heights. so yeah i DO know what i'm talking about.Easykill said:
there is also times you can't do anything, once you leave they can start fighting again. i'm pretty sure that the same thing will happen in Afghanistan once we leave there
As a currently serving CF member, I have nothing but good to say about the career path. I've been serving for four years now, and in that time I have changed, but all the changes are for the better.
If you join as a Reserve member, you are not forced to be posted overseas, but you can volunteer to go at any time that you're needed. If you join as a Regular member, you can be posted overseas depending on your trade and the situation at the time.
Ignore the hyperbole about "signing your life away". You do not lose your life, you do not lose your free will, you are not becoming a slave to 'the man'. You WILL be expected to follow legal orders, but you are NOT a slave.
You will be trained to kill. Honesty. As a soldier, it's either your job to kill the enemy or your duty to support the ones who are, and your responsibility to be able to do so as not to be a liability to the other soldiers you are beside.
I'm steering clear of the political flaming going on here. As to 'restrained expression of opinion', you'd be briefed on that later and is not for here.
Ultimately for your situation, as a father, and taking a pay grade, I wouldn't recommend the Army for you. But to others, keep it in mind/
If you join as a Reserve member, you are not forced to be posted overseas, but you can volunteer to go at any time that you're needed. If you join as a Regular member, you can be posted overseas depending on your trade and the situation at the time.
Ignore the hyperbole about "signing your life away". You do not lose your life, you do not lose your free will, you are not becoming a slave to 'the man'. You WILL be expected to follow legal orders, but you are NOT a slave.
You will be trained to kill. Honesty. As a soldier, it's either your job to kill the enemy or your duty to support the ones who are, and your responsibility to be able to do so as not to be a liability to the other soldiers you are beside.
I'm steering clear of the political flaming going on here. As to 'restrained expression of opinion', you'd be briefed on that later and is not for here.
Ultimately for your situation, as a father, and taking a pay grade, I wouldn't recommend the Army for you. But to others, keep it in mind/
Just a mildly intriguing thought, where are the Canadians deployed at the moment? More specifically, what are the actual odds of someone having the chance to kill someone else in battle. The only Australian's I am aware of involved in conflict are our elite S.A.S. troops (not the Saturdays and Sundays reservists, the other ones) and I didn't even know Canada had an army even though logic dictated they would.Mullahgrrl said:
I'm just thinking that joining is a great place for discipline and money, but the odds of a (smaller) nation actually sending you into a combat zone to kill seem fairly minuscule. I don't think my mother could have killed someone for example, though she was trained to do so.
Okay for one thing, it is true Canada does not have an army they have an armed forces. (Kinda sucks when your entire population is less than New York state but oh well).
Secondly the Canadian forces are one of the best trained central armed forces in the world. We have to be cause when one of our C7's run out of ammo you have to be able to appropriate whatever is at hand. BTW this hinders many armed forces around the world.
I did work for the Canadian forces as a Medic/Nurse which meant I automatically went to the head of the class (Ya get to be a Major, Yay).
Anyway the best thing to be is a medic cause you are at the back of the group at all times when in dangerous situations because if you are wounded you are a casualty and so will anyone else in your squad.
So if you really want to join become a medic at the very least.
The one thing that is a horrible and I know from people I worked with; (Never happened to me because I didn't travel far) but most wives of armed forces guys cheat, no matter what. I am not lying but most guys seem to expect it and just accept it. To me this is something I could not accept and truly, ya just don't get paid enough or treated well enough by your fellow countrymen.
So in essence unless it is your only chance at making a living do something else. The only benefit is a good pension if and when you retire if you stay in the forces for your whole life.
Secondly the Canadian forces are one of the best trained central armed forces in the world. We have to be cause when one of our C7's run out of ammo you have to be able to appropriate whatever is at hand. BTW this hinders many armed forces around the world.
I did work for the Canadian forces as a Medic/Nurse which meant I automatically went to the head of the class (Ya get to be a Major, Yay).
Anyway the best thing to be is a medic cause you are at the back of the group at all times when in dangerous situations because if you are wounded you are a casualty and so will anyone else in your squad.
So if you really want to join become a medic at the very least.
The one thing that is a horrible and I know from people I worked with; (Never happened to me because I didn't travel far) but most wives of armed forces guys cheat, no matter what. I am not lying but most guys seem to expect it and just accept it. To me this is something I could not accept and truly, ya just don't get paid enough or treated well enough by your fellow countrymen.
So in essence unless it is your only chance at making a living do something else. The only benefit is a good pension if and when you retire if you stay in the forces for your whole life.