The Atrocities of Your National Heritage... This is a Fun Thread! :D

[BeeGeenie]

Oh man I'm British,where the hell do I begin?

This is probably the worst thing we did though:

We're so sorry everyone! We didn't know! WE DIDN'T KNOW!!! ;_;

Hey man, don't apologize for that! The music was meh, but it gave maturing teens something nice and jiggly to look at. XD

 

[Ldude893]

China.

That's all I have to say.

 

[cathou]

I'll add one for Canada. Well, not really Canada, that thing was Quebec only to be honest, and probably very obscure for most people outside our province. It's know as Duplessis's orphans.

a little context, in the 40's and 50's, we had a prime minister named Duplessis. He was very corrupted, and very tied in with the catholic church autorities. Back then, especially in the 30's and early 40's, if a woman had a baby outside mariage, most of the time, that baby would be put in an orphanage, since it was a baby born in sin. and the orphanages were all directed by the catholic church. The church also had the control of the hospitals and mental institutions. And in the 50's they wanted to find more fundings.

Back then, the federal government was giving 75 cent of funding per orphan per day. and they gave 2,50$ per day per person in mental asylums. and while babies are relatively easy to be adopted, olders kids often stayed a long time in orphanages. So what they did, was to put several thousand kids in mental asylum, with fake mental health problems. it's estimated that between 50 000 and 100 000 kids were put in orphanages, with very strict rules by the nuns, and a few hundred cases of sexual abuse by priests, and when they were transfere in asylum, they were often tied to the beds, received no education, several were lobotomised, electroshocked, used as free workers, tortured and litterally lived with very troubled patients. a few thousand even just disapear, subjects of medical experiments, drug testings and various abuses.

all that stopped in the 60's

 

[mike1921]

The latter. Why do you want it when the people who actually live in the nation are against it, from all walks of life.

Because I don't want Ireland to become like Korea and be in some permanent limbo where they are forever divided. I rather go for the brutish(and I do realize that it is brutish) way that the US also took when the Confederacy tried to separate from the Union. I mean do you honestly think that if we waited until NI agreed, would there be a united Ireland in our lifetime?

But why do you want it? You still haven't given a reason. The majority of NI don't want it so why do you? I want a reason.

See my answer above to Matthew.

Are you seriously comparing NI and Ireland to the Koreas? Seriously? It's not even remotely comparable. Relations are fine. Do you think the border is like the 38th Parallel or something?

There is no pressing need for a United Ireland. NI wants to remain part of the UK and both then UK and Ireland respect that. If the majority decided they wanted to become part of Ireland they'd respect that too. I suggest you go read the summary of the Good Friday Agreement on Wikipedia

I'm not saying that it is like the 38th parallel, I'm saying that I don't want it to ever become like that. I don't want to see Ireland permanently divided.

And it won't. It will never get like that.

I hope your right, and that maybe one day Ireland and NI can come together and be one country.

Why? Why should they one day be one country? Because they used to be? Because they have the same name? Because they're close? Like you refuse to explain why you want them to be one.

 

[Helmholtz Watson]

The latter. Why do you want it when the people who actually live in the nation are against it, from all walks of life.

Because I don't want Ireland to become like Korea and be in some permanent limbo where they are forever divided. I rather go for the brutish(and I do realize that it is brutish) way that the US also took when the Confederacy tried to separate from the Union. I mean do you honestly think that if we waited until NI agreed, would there be a united Ireland in our lifetime?

But why do you want it? You still haven't given a reason. The majority of NI don't want it so why do you? I want a reason.

See my answer above to Matthew.

Are you seriously comparing NI and Ireland to the Koreas? Seriously? It's not even remotely comparable. Relations are fine. Do you think the border is like the 38th Parallel or something?

There is no pressing need for a United Ireland. NI wants to remain part of the UK and both then UK and Ireland respect that. If the majority decided they wanted to become part of Ireland they'd respect that too. I suggest you go read the summary of the Good Friday Agreement on Wikipedia

I'm not saying that it is like the 38th parallel, I'm saying that I don't want it to ever become like that. I don't want to see Ireland permanently divided.

And it won't. It will never get like that.

I hope your right, and that maybe one day Ireland and NI can come together and be one country.

Why? Why should they one day be one country? Because they used to be? Because they have the same name? Because they're close? Like you refuse to explain why you want them to be one.

I would rather see the Irish people united instead of divided into two countries.........but its been pointed out to me that such a thing would not happen any time soon [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_Friday_Agreement].

 

[DanielBrown]

Swedish. Vikings. You know. Rape and pillaging.
We also took over the land from the native population. They huddle upp in the most northern region of Sweden these days.

In defense of the vikings. They look like this;

You can't co-exist with people like that. You'd never get any pillaging done due to the laughing.

 

[BathorysGraveland]

Well, I was born and live in Australia, but I'm English with definite Anglo-Saxon ancestors. Both have done some pretty bad shit in history. For example, when the Saxons started raiding Roman-owned England.

But I think the former is more about what you're leaning to in this thread, and that one is obvious. What the European settlers did against the native Australians was very fucked up. Sure, it wasn't any different than what many conquerors/settlers did against the people they defeated, but still, it wasn't anything less of an atrocity. So probably that.

 

[mike1921]

The latter. Why do you want it when the people who actually live in the nation are against it, from all walks of life.

Because I don't want Ireland to become like Korea and be in some permanent limbo where they are forever divided. I rather go for the brutish(and I do realize that it is brutish) way that the US also took when the Confederacy tried to separate from the Union. I mean do you honestly think that if we waited until NI agreed, would there be a united Ireland in our lifetime?

But why do you want it? You still haven't given a reason. The majority of NI don't want it so why do you? I want a reason.

See my answer above to Matthew.

Are you seriously comparing NI and Ireland to the Koreas? Seriously? It's not even remotely comparable. Relations are fine. Do you think the border is like the 38th Parallel or something?

There is no pressing need for a United Ireland. NI wants to remain part of the UK and both then UK and Ireland respect that. If the majority decided they wanted to become part of Ireland they'd respect that too. I suggest you go read the summary of the Good Friday Agreement on Wikipedia

I'm not saying that it is like the 38th parallel, I'm saying that I don't want it to ever become like that. I don't want to see Ireland permanently divided.

And it won't. It will never get like that.

I hope your right, and that maybe one day Ireland and NI can come together and be one country.

Why? Why should they one day be one country? Because they used to be? Because they have the same name? Because they're close? Like you refuse to explain why you want them to be one.

I would rather see the Irish people united instead of divided into two countries.........but its been pointed out to me that such a thing would not happen any time soon [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_Friday_Agreement].

Why? What makes a northern irishman feel some special kinship with an irishman where they want to be part of the same nation? Race? Some weird sense of nationalism? What makes you part of the "Irish People"? Like I feel no reason for a sense of national identity that transcends the country you're currently a citizen of(or any real serious allegiance to a country that you holdi n your heart either)

 

[Spinozaad]

For me it's quite uncomfortable to look at "Dutch" atrocities in the past, mainly because you are projecting anachronisms upon the past. 'Atrocity' is a moral concept completely alien to, for example, Attila the Hun.

I'd say the Dutch military actions in Indonesia are the only "Dutch" atrocities that are unquestionably atrocious. The Holocaust/Second World War had just recently happened, the universality of human rights had just the year before been declared, etc.

"Dutch" participance in the slave trade, however, is more historically and morally ambiguous. The slave trade ended in effect before the modern kingdom of the Netherlands came into existence, although slavery itself only ended in the 1870s. We now see slavery, rightly, as a horrible thing. Back then... the mentalities were completely different. Can you really blame someone/some group for not being what they could never be?

 

[Aprilgold]

The fact that we got both Megaupload and another uploading site shut down for stuff that they could not possibly control.

Also, we still have places where LGBT folk are shot for being LGBT folk.... Yeah....

 

[Ryotknife]

America!

We profited off of Europe's world war, then about 10 years later, we crashed the economy!

Then we got out of debt by profiting off of Europe's second world war, then about 70 years later, crashed the economy again!

Also, Scientology. Didn't those guys try to get into Europe?

Japan and South Korea might get overrun, but most people would be just fine. Oh yeah, except for Israel being attacked from all sides and the rain of nuclear missiles hitting all the middle east cities, but other than that, everything would be fine.

The only thing I feel you have wrong here is South Korea. I'm willing to bet that they are MORE than a match for the north. Their economy is superior, their industry is superior, their military is superior. In fact, if they broke into open war tomorrow, it's possible that the south would crush the north before we even bothered with an armed response.

only problem is their main city is literally in the crosshairs and will probably be flatten if hostilities broke out. Other than having their capital city leveled, yea SK could probably win.

 

[William Ossiss]

Being what I classify as a mutt, I can happily criticize 'MERICA. I find it arrogant how some people call themselves from America, or American, when they don't exactly specify which area. I'm a United States Citizen. Also, just because I like mocking this country;
'MERICA

 

[Helmholtz Watson]

The latter. Why do you want it when the people who actually live in the nation are against it, from all walks of life.

Because I don't want Ireland to become like Korea and be in some permanent limbo where they are forever divided. I rather go for the brutish(and I do realize that it is brutish) way that the US also took when the Confederacy tried to separate from the Union. I mean do you honestly think that if we waited until NI agreed, would there be a united Ireland in our lifetime?

But why do you want it? You still haven't given a reason. The majority of NI don't want it so why do you? I want a reason.

See my answer above to Matthew.

Are you seriously comparing NI and Ireland to the Koreas? Seriously? It's not even remotely comparable. Relations are fine. Do you think the border is like the 38th Parallel or something?

There is no pressing need for a United Ireland. NI wants to remain part of the UK and both then UK and Ireland respect that. If the majority decided they wanted to become part of Ireland they'd respect that too. I suggest you go read the summary of the Good Friday Agreement on Wikipedia

I'm not saying that it is like the 38th parallel, I'm saying that I don't want it to ever become like that. I don't want to see Ireland permanently divided.

And it won't. It will never get like that.

I hope your right, and that maybe one day Ireland and NI can come together and be one country.

Why? Why should they one day be one country? Because they used to be? Because they have the same name? Because they're close? Like you refuse to explain why you want them to be one.

I would rather see the Irish people united instead of divided into two countries.........but its been pointed out to me that such a thing would not happen any time soon [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_Friday_Agreement].

Why? What makes a northern irishman feel some special kinship with an irishman where they want to be part of the same nation? Race? Some weird sense of nationalism? What makes you part of the "Irish People"? Like I feel no reason for a sense of national identity that transcends the country you're currently a citizen of(or any real serious allegiance to a country that you holdi n your heart either)

I've had this discussion with other people, pleas go back and read the thread if you really care about what I think, I would prefer not to do this dance again in the same thread if I could. Thank you.

 

[mike1921]

The latter. Why do you want it when the people who actually live in the nation are against it, from all walks of life.

Because I don't want Ireland to become like Korea and be in some permanent limbo where they are forever divided. I rather go for the brutish(and I do realize that it is brutish) way that the US also took when the Confederacy tried to separate from the Union. I mean do you honestly think that if we waited until NI agreed, would there be a united Ireland in our lifetime?

But why do you want it? You still haven't given a reason. The majority of NI don't want it so why do you? I want a reason.

See my answer above to Matthew.

Are you seriously comparing NI and Ireland to the Koreas? Seriously? It's not even remotely comparable. Relations are fine. Do you think the border is like the 38th Parallel or something?

There is no pressing need for a United Ireland. NI wants to remain part of the UK and both then UK and Ireland respect that. If the majority decided they wanted to become part of Ireland they'd respect that too. I suggest you go read the summary of the Good Friday Agreement on Wikipedia

I'm not saying that it is like the 38th parallel, I'm saying that I don't want it to ever become like that. I don't want to see Ireland permanently divided.

And it won't. It will never get like that.

I hope your right, and that maybe one day Ireland and NI can come together and be one country.

Why? Why should they one day be one country? Because they used to be? Because they have the same name? Because they're close? Like you refuse to explain why you want them to be one.

I would rather see the Irish people united instead of divided into two countries.........but its been pointed out to me that such a thing would not happen any time soon [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_Friday_Agreement].

Why? What makes a northern irishman feel some special kinship with an irishman where they want to be part of the same nation? Race? Some weird sense of nationalism? What makes you part of the "Irish People"? Like I feel no reason for a sense of national identity that transcends the country you're currently a citizen of(or any real serious allegiance to a country that you holdi n your heart either)

I've had this discussion with other people, pleas go back and read the thread if you really care about what I think, I would prefer not to do this dance again in the same thread if I could. Thank you.

What I've seen you say was

Because I don't want Ireland to become like Korea and be in some perminit limbo where they are forever divided. I rather go for the brutish(and I do realize that it is brutish) way that the US also took when the Confederacy tried to separate from the Union. I mean do you honestly think that if we waited until NI agreed, would there be a united Ireland in our lifetime?

Which is still just going "IT'S BAD WHEN COUNTRIES ARE SEPERATED" with no reason and logic to it, and then you made some argument that the american revolution didn't split britain into two countries (even though some British owned land was a new country and some was still the old one). Like I"m not seeing anything substantial here.

Like, I think the union had no authority to try to reclaim the confederacy and the only argument there is to be made is that we had the right to make a moral crusade. Why is ireland's situation different or what part of my view on matters like it do you have an issue with?

 

[The Scotsman72]

Swedish. Vikings. You know. Rape and pillaging.
We also took over the land from the native population. They huddle upp in the most northern region of Sweden these days.

In defense of the vikings. They look like this;

You can't co-exist with people like that. You'd never get any pillaging done due to the laughing.

Wait, Vikings focused their raping and pillaging on people that wear rediculous clothing? I sure hope that isn't the reason why they focused on Scotland for hundreds of years. I mean, kilts aren't THAT bad.....right?

 

[Darkmantle]

hmmm....

worst I can think of for Canada is when we locked up all the Japanese Canadians in WW2.

I'm only counting after we got our independence from Britain though.

 

[talker]

i can't think of anything terrible the dutch did besides flood half the country during an invasion and not building dams until it was too late. oh and not kicking the crap out of the belgian rebels. \we should have done that