The Big Picture: Enough With The Batman Already!

[TwiZtah]

Yes please, I fucking hate Batman.

He might be the biggest villain in the DC universe, because he KNOWS that The Joker etc. will escape from Arkham and kill more people, therefore he is also indirectly responsible for those killings.

Couldn't you extend that complaint to commissioner Gordon and all police who Batman gives custody of the Joker to?

Batman has so much more power to just kill the fuckers, but nooo, "MY PARENTS DIED :'(". Fucking get in line, 95% of all damn superheroes has lost their parents. Oh, on that note, I'm disgusted by them and their unability to just end the villains.

 

[maninahat]

Agreed. I mean Jesus Christ, what does it take to get a decent Wonder Woman movie? She's going to be the weirdest one to deal with; Batman and Superman are familiar through the many other movies, games and cartoons, but most people know little about Wonder Woman beyond silver age bondage fetishism, invisible aeroplanes and Amazons. Like Thor, she's the weird mythological outlier of the group, and Thor got a god damned movie. Thor.

 

[Kenjitsuka]

"Yes, Mistress!". Your best oneliner in a while, made me laugh, thanks!

Wow, the Captcha is "beautiful friendship".

 

[SonOfVoorhees]

They have Batman. An Superman played by Reeves. Thats as far as the DC series of comic book movies goes. The rest are unknown to most of the public. Most of the DC characters are just uninteresting or just to strong and powerful to be pointless. I dont think DC should even try a JL movie, it will fail miserably because no one gives a crap about any of them apart from Superman and Batman. A new Batman could suck, and if Superman fails in the boxoffice then just kill the idea of a JL movie.

 

[-Dragmire-]

Yes please, I fucking hate Batman.

He might be the biggest villain in the DC universe, because he KNOWS that The Joker etc. will escape from Arkham and kill more people, therefore he is also indirectly responsible for those killings.

Couldn't you extend that complaint to commissioner Gordon and all police who Batman gives custody of the Joker to?

Batman has so much more power to just kill the fuckers, but nooo, "MY PARENTS DIED :'(". Fucking get in line, 95% of all damn superheroes has lost their parents. Oh, on that note, I'm disgusted by them and their unability to just end the villains.

When dealing with the Joker, a gun is just as efficient. A cop might say, "It's my job to apprehend you and not kill you" but Batman could say the same thing, just with less justification due to the whole vigilante angle.

 

[NathanS]

I have to agree with Bob on the there is too much Batman. I love Bats but come on there are so many other characters and there are Heroes who are detective and are good at infiltrating and intimidation; The Question, Martian Manhunter and even the Flash(He's got a brain in there). The Only reason you don't see them much is the focus for any detective story seems to be Batman is the "Worlds Greatest" everyone else isn't good enough to highlight. Just keep Writing him and other characters into molds that needs to be broken.

This is probably my biggest issue with a segment of Bat's more extreme fans, and unfortunately it includes some comic writers, the idea that coolness is a zero-sum game. It's not enough that Batman be cool, he has to be cooler then everyone else, and actively make them less cool. he can't just work alongside Superman, he has to be able to beat him; he has to have more will then any Green Lantern and so on.

 

[punipunipyo]

please don't suck, please don't suck, please.... hahaha

Yeah, After watching all (currently available) "young justice", Red Hood, Both Green lantern animated, JLAOOM... I can say... it's hard to top the animated stuff, I think the movies of the DCs are just not good enough, they are so afraid to let their imagination run.... I for one didn't like the new BatMan "realistic approach" reboot... it's less batman, more... I know not what that was... even X-men redeems them selves with "first class"... well... please don't suck any more... DC.... or I'll just have to stick with "I like Marvel more anyways..."

 

[hermes]

On the contrary. I think Batman is the LEAST likely to be put in auto-pilot. He is the character most people are interested to see, and the only one with profitable movies in recent history on his belt. If it wasn't because WB didn't anticipated the success of the Nolan version and the avengers movies, I would have guess Batman would be their advance franchise to justify having a JL movie. Instead, they are putting all their hopes in the Superman movie, because its the only other character they seem to get right once in a while...

That doesn't change the fact that part of the charm of the Avengers movies was to see all the characters being played by their respective actors from movies in recent history. As such (and I haven't kept in touch with casting news for this movie), but I hope they are saving a pretty big check for Bale and another one for Nolan, because if those two are not involved in the next movie, all the marketing in the world won't save it.

If anything, most other characters are allowed to be on auto-pilot a lot more. I don't expect Martian Manhunter and Wonder Woman being more defined than "I am like Superman, but green/woman", so I don't expect more than 10 minutes will be dedicated to those characters.

In other words, I am too a little bit tired that the only character that seems to be in any way relevant to WB, DC movies and the JL in general is Batman; but they can only blame themselves for that, and it would take them a lot of years for them to make the public care about anything new so, if they want to make a JL movie before even Avengers become irrelevant, they are going to use current Batman, current Superman and introduce a bunch of other characters; and the movie will be called "Batman and his Superfriends"...

 

[Diane Miller]

Re: Don't suck. Yeah, I'd have to second you on that. The problem is, as you've pointed out, Warner Brothers has shown no clue in how to produce superhero movies except for the Batman series. I guess that's not surprising. I can't believe I'm about to say this, but of all DC's heroes, Batman is probably the most realistic. He's not an alien, he wasn't hit by a bolt of lightning and a bunch of chemicals, he's not already dead. The problem I think WB has had with the other superheroes is that they just don't know what to do with them.

I'm hoping Superman and (if we ever see it) the Justice League don't suck as well, but I'm not taking any bets.

 

[NathanS]

recently That's John's lame writing to be quite honest, when it comes to Batman he teeters on both sides of the spectrum making him either inadequate compared to the rest or overly awesome to roll your eyes point of things.
Not to hate on the guy or anything, other righter, even the good ones do this from time to time.

I guess when someone like Batman stands shoulder to shoulder with gods he NEEDS to seem more exceptional.

what I think some writers should try to do is ring home the sad truth that no one should want to be Batman, he is quite a tragic guy when you think about it

It goes back much further then Johns. The flood gates to it started as early as "The Dark Knight Returns" which I know a few people who were big fans of bats LOVED to bring up because "Batman is cooler then Superman because he's human, also he's so cool he can beat Superman! See says so right in this comic!" Morrison add by "creating" "prep-time" with his comments about being able to beat Galactus and Waid cemented the whole thing with "Tower of Babel."

 

[ObsidianJones_v1legacy]

Yes your right bob, but since the only other superhero they tried failed (Green Lantern) I suspect they view Batman as their only card at the moment that they can sell the movie to the public at the moment (Superman is at the moment an unknown and all their other superhero projects are either in development or unreleased).

The result is they have to sell it on Batman because that the only thing the accountants can see as selling.

Eh, I hated Green Lantern the movie, but did the character fail or did the movie? They never used him correctly (Hal Jordan in comics is Cocky and sure, Hal Jordan in the movie ran from everything and was a wuss), the Green Lantern battles were horrible. It could have done something, but it was like they purposefully wanted to mess it up to say "SEE?! THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN WE TRY SOMETHING NEW!! NOW WHERE ARE MY 17 NEW BATMAN PROJECTS?!"

I was trying to think about what villain WB could bring to the table that could be powerful enough to take on the entire Justice League... and the only thing I came up with is Darkseid, And Batman dealing with Darkseid would be like nipples on a Batsuit-unnecessary, as well as outclassed.

Quick question: Do you know who Batman is? Due to writers compensating for putting the guy in a batsuit on a team with demigods, Batman has become the most feared and ruthless hero of DC's entire roster. His power is being the goddamn Batman.

And that's why I'm so glad that people are starting to call Batman out on his ridiculousness. The 'Iron Will' Schtick might as well just be called a super power because of how it just bends the fabric of reality now. He won't fail because he won't allow it. His back won't break from being ***** slapped through a really thick stone pillar because is presence of mind is stronger than physics?

And yet, supposedly Batman never takes a life. Yet people are always scared that he will. I mean, people call Superman out that he'll never do anything to them more serious than a pummeling. Then they'll cower to Batman... who will never do anything serious than a pummeling.

Batman has the best power of them all. He has the Authors and the Fans behind him. So he will never lose. He can will his body to maintain it's peak muscle efficiency even though I can't remember the last time he worked out (and as a personal trainer, that always bugged the hell out of me), he can always somehow move just a bit faster than people who can move at light speed to take out just the thing that he prepared ahead of time in case this happened... He's Mary Sue, the character. I love the games, I love the comics when he's in Gotham and he isn't dealing with Beyond Gods, but when he's out of Gotham, he gets ridiculous.

Captcha: try the Booyah way!

Fuck right, you creepy sentient programming! What about Cyborg?! BOOYAH!!

 

[lead sharp]

I completely agree with Bob, with a caveat. WE as geeks would be unfair to any up coming movies with Batman in, the general public wouldn't care. I'm fairly convinced that they would simply be eager to see some one else play Batman and the Joker again to see whether he does live up to Ledger.

 

[seditary]

I just want a good Wonder Woman well, anything, before I shuffle off this mortal coil in roughly 50 odd years.

 

[Gunjester]

Today's Big Picture Topic:
Superman Fanboy complains about superior character's attention-grabbing anti-charisma.

 

[kab040]

I would personally love to see a Plastic Man movie....but that's just me.

 

[Webb Myers]

If they're smart, the only thing we'll see of "Batman" in the first movie is a piece of equipment in the Justice League headquarters (being built at the end of the movie) that's labeled "Wayne Enterprises". That way they guarantee themselves a sequel.