Heimdall was the only character I liked from that movie. I don't care who played him, they did very well at it.
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I have no problem with the casting of Heimdall, mostly because I had never read the comics and he was a total bad ass in the movie, but I really get tired when people class all white people together. I'm Irish/German with ancestors that left Ireland due to the Potato Famine and fought for the North. Unless my German heritage had significantly more money than I imagine, I doubt they had any African slaves either.
Funny you should bring up Luke Cage. You're right that, for the most part, him being a black character is trivial. However, it does become important during the Civil War story when he compares the registration act to slavery, as it gives the statement a bit more impact. Also, few white guys have ever looked good in an afro (I say this only because that's my favourite costume of his).cross_breed said:
Also, to anyone that's playing the "white guilt" card, you're missing the point. You shouldn't feel guilty or hold a grudge for something that was done in the past by others. You should, however, be disgusted that this shit is still around today. Just look at all the white supremacy groups that exist. What's worse is that the actions and beliefs of a few reflect badly on everyone. Don't believe me? Why is it then, that if only a handful of extremists were responsible for 9/11, do many individuals assume that all Muslims are potential terrorists and get up in arms over a Muslim cultural centre in close proximity to ground zero?
All Movie Bob is saying is the existence of the aforementioned double standard is merely a equalizing factor that should eventually be phased out as we move forward as a society.
I really agree with Bob, but there is one thing that bugs me. Even though Dragonball was a HORRIBLE movie Song Goku is NOT japanese!!!! He is an alien that LOOKS like a WHITE HUMAN MALE. He is 6'2 with big eyes and white skin, the fact that he is 6'2 means he isn't asian.
again, another important point.Father Time said:
WE WEREN'T ALIVE so we had no say in things like slavery.
christ this is a grey area lol
First I would like to say that out of ALL the human representations of God, Morgan Freeman, is and forever will be the best God ever!
As for the changing of white rolls to minority rolls over the changing of a minority roll to a white world.... To say it is a necessary evil to keep a double standard is in my opinion a cop-out. It fails to address some of the underlining issues of a ever more polarizing minority culture, and quality of ability on all fronts of the acting world.
The best actor and actress for the job should get the job.
Why do one minority find themselves stuck in Tyler Perry Movies? Because the Political Correct Demand for a Multi-Culture world. A Multi-Culture world DEMANDS Cultural selective movies in which a semi-fictitious yet semi-real Culture most be pointed out and shown as unique but equal to the Majority Culture. African American Culture seems to be big on this list because it is the African American Culture that is slowly melting away into the giant stew of the Melting Pot.
With Latino Culture slowly taking over the Urban City life, a domain that was mainly Black the Multi-Culture elitists are trying to recover some kind of difference because thats what minorities need to be, the entire idea of judge one by the context of one character not by the color of their skin has been run over and trampled on, they don't want it. They want to keep some difference, they are resisting the natural melding of culture. I cringe at using this word but what is forming is better known as a Ghetto Culture, and they don't want it. Most of America is apart of the Melting Pot with just small groups of Ghetto Cultures within it like the Asian, Greeks, Jewish, Russian, Italian and all the sub-cultures of the Country.
The idea of anyone being judged by their skill alone is highly disliked in the Political Correct world. The idea we live in a shit world and that we HAVE to give the white roll to the black roll to make up for past transgressions makes no sense. How are we helping any culture by fucking with them like that?
In the case of Thor, that was purely based off of the idea that he was the best man for the job, and clearly he was for out of all the "god" like characters in the movie, he was the only one who made me say.... "That big mother fucker in the gold armor is a fucking god!"
We don't need to force or out of sympathy cast minorities into rolls just so we have the trifecta of a Black male, Latino female, and handicapped Asian. Some rolls need to be played by a certain race's especially if based off of historical events, and I understand that. But a role should be filled by the best qualified actor and actress end of story.
If a minority actor takes a roll and he clearly sucks at it and it is obviously done to put some color in a movie or whatever the reason, then their should be a big What the Fuck. Why the fuck did they do that. We shouldn't sit their and say, awe I feel so good for myself because we are making up for centuries of racial or gender mistreatment... Fuck that.... and fuck anyone who thinks that is a good thing. If the role would have been better if actor A who happens to be a none minority then actor B who was a minority but sucked then you my friend are the racist.
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As for the changing of white rolls to minority rolls over the changing of a minority roll to a white world.... To say it is a necessary evil to keep a double standard is in my opinion a cop-out. It fails to address some of the underlining issues of a ever more polarizing minority culture, and quality of ability on all fronts of the acting world.
The best actor and actress for the job should get the job.
Why do one minority find themselves stuck in Tyler Perry Movies? Because the Political Correct Demand for a Multi-Culture world. A Multi-Culture world DEMANDS Cultural selective movies in which a semi-fictitious yet semi-real Culture most be pointed out and shown as unique but equal to the Majority Culture. African American Culture seems to be big on this list because it is the African American Culture that is slowly melting away into the giant stew of the Melting Pot.
With Latino Culture slowly taking over the Urban City life, a domain that was mainly Black the Multi-Culture elitists are trying to recover some kind of difference because thats what minorities need to be, the entire idea of judge one by the context of one character not by the color of their skin has been run over and trampled on, they don't want it. They want to keep some difference, they are resisting the natural melding of culture. I cringe at using this word but what is forming is better known as a Ghetto Culture, and they don't want it. Most of America is apart of the Melting Pot with just small groups of Ghetto Cultures within it like the Asian, Greeks, Jewish, Russian, Italian and all the sub-cultures of the Country.
The idea of anyone being judged by their skill alone is highly disliked in the Political Correct world. The idea we live in a shit world and that we HAVE to give the white roll to the black roll to make up for past transgressions makes no sense. How are we helping any culture by fucking with them like that?
In the case of Thor, that was purely based off of the idea that he was the best man for the job, and clearly he was for out of all the "god" like characters in the movie, he was the only one who made me say.... "That big mother fucker in the gold armor is a fucking god!"
We don't need to force or out of sympathy cast minorities into rolls just so we have the trifecta of a Black male, Latino female, and handicapped Asian. Some rolls need to be played by a certain race's especially if based off of historical events, and I understand that. But a role should be filled by the best qualified actor and actress end of story.
If a minority actor takes a roll and he clearly sucks at it and it is obviously done to put some color in a movie or whatever the reason, then their should be a big What the Fuck. Why the fuck did they do that. We shouldn't sit their and say, awe I feel so good for myself because we are making up for centuries of racial or gender mistreatment... Fuck that.... and fuck anyone who thinks that is a good thing. If the role would have been better if actor A who happens to be a none minority then actor B who was a minority but sucked then you my friend are the racist.
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I couldn't care less about the race, but if I'm a fan of something I want it to be exactly the same.
If in an X-men movie Magneto, my favorite character there by far would be black I would be fucking pissed!
I don't want him to be any differenet than the comics and that goes to all characters.
I don't want a character to have diffrent hair, to have different height or different colour.
Imagine a new Star Wars movie where Yoda is 1.80m(screw your American units, I don't know how it works>>"), you would KILL the director.
If in an X-men movie Magneto, my favorite character there by far would be black I would be fucking pissed!
I don't want him to be any differenet than the comics and that goes to all characters.
I don't want a character to have diffrent hair, to have different height or different colour.
Imagine a new Star Wars movie where Yoda is 1.80m(screw your American units, I don't know how it works>>"), you would KILL the director.
....... Oki, so I can understand and agree with the argument " More white characters around, thus allow for more diversity.", BUT!!!
Why the hell does the whole "Oh, well your ancestors did evil stuff." work? Why does everyone keep using the arguments "Well men have been domineering society for XXX years, so it's okay that....." or "Well white people enslaved XX ethnicity and were evil"?
I DIDN'T DO ANY OF THAT! Why should the sins of my ancestors affect me? If my father was a murdered and my grandfather a serial killer you have no right to judge who I am or discriminate against me.
Ok, so discrimination against white people isn't a serious issue, probably never will be, but it still feels shitty to have all these double standards. Especially when we live in a modern world. *SIGH*
Have I finished ranting?..... One more point: A man of any ethnicity can walk with ease in western society, in Africa a white man will feel very ill at ease walking the streets.
Why the hell does the whole "Oh, well your ancestors did evil stuff." work? Why does everyone keep using the arguments "Well men have been domineering society for XXX years, so it's okay that....." or "Well white people enslaved XX ethnicity and were evil"?
I DIDN'T DO ANY OF THAT! Why should the sins of my ancestors affect me? If my father was a murdered and my grandfather a serial killer you have no right to judge who I am or discriminate against me.
Ok, so discrimination against white people isn't a serious issue, probably never will be, but it still feels shitty to have all these double standards. Especially when we live in a modern world. *SIGH*
Have I finished ranting?..... One more point: A man of any ethnicity can walk with ease in western society, in Africa a white man will feel very ill at ease walking the streets.
Well said, and I completely agree with you, even though I'm a little biased against these kinds of double standards because of my culture (No selective slavery here, only pillaging and rape of all ethnicities 
). Besides, you Americans are used to double standards, we really dislike it over here (still happens a lot).
The problem I have with this is that until all this crap, I wouldn't even have thought about his race. It saddens me that this is even necessary, why can't someone be hired and judged only by their performance?? Every review I've read has said something to the point of "The reason they got the black guy is because he's awesome, so stop whining!" I would much rather they just said "*Actor's name*'s performance was a high point of the movie." and ignore the people that complained, they don't even deserve to be acknowledged. I get that people want movies to be true to the source, but would you rather have some crappy white actor? Again, why can't an actor be judged by his own merits?
I just can't wait to see that movie!! Every clip I've seen with Heimdal has been awesome, and you did recommend it. Besides, it's a comic book movie about the norse religion, how can I not see it??
Off topic, I really hope this thread won't be a regular place for my modding duties.
). Besides, you Americans are used to double standards, we really dislike it over here (still happens a lot). The problem I have with this is that until all this crap, I wouldn't even have thought about his race. It saddens me that this is even necessary, why can't someone be hired and judged only by their performance?? Every review I've read has said something to the point of "The reason they got the black guy is because he's awesome, so stop whining!" I would much rather they just said "*Actor's name*'s performance was a high point of the movie." and ignore the people that complained, they don't even deserve to be acknowledged. I get that people want movies to be true to the source, but would you rather have some crappy white actor? Again, why can't an actor be judged by his own merits?
I just can't wait to see that movie!! Every clip I've seen with Heimdal has been awesome, and you did recommend it. Besides, it's a comic book movie about the norse religion, how can I not see it??
Off topic, I really hope this thread won't be a regular place for my modding duties.
In fact... ironically, bring slaves to America and selling them encompassed an entire spectrum of racial unity.... except Asians, but they don't really count as people, right?Eldarion said:
(Disclaimer: I love Asians. They are a great people)
Im a dominican. I live in the Dominican Republic. Black Norse God? NOT A PROBLEM... hell, if I weren't a regular internet user, I wouldn't even have noticed the black dude in the first place.
Thats me anyway.
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Thats me anyway.
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Well at least you finally got that out there, honestly I couldn't agree more with what you said. Yes It's a double standard that white people turning I don't know.....purple with green stripes....is okay, but the opposite is open to debate is because as you said our mixed history (before you go "that's all in the past", just look at gay rights and what have you, it's what I refer to the as "The race debate version 2.0"). I'm of the opinion that any kind of race-swap is OKAY, as long as I get a good performance from the actor in question(which does in fact mean those train-wrecks like Last Airbender and that Dragonball abomination are NOT okay, because they sucked), another example I can think of where this was an issue was the Prince of Persia movie which was good, so I didn't really care either way, I'm not the type no wag my finger at people screaming "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO" when they want to change something I like in a minor way (Like the color slider on any given character), but you will get that reaction from me if you have a complete paradigm shift on any given work (Live-action adaptions of anime (specifically american ones), etc). Also just because Will smith got Top billing a LOT doesn't mean there are enough movies with black actors
At one time, people of all races could be property together. They'd just go to any other country, even Italy and Greece, and snatch some people. In Ancient Rome, Greeks apparently made great teachers and actors.
'White' is incredibly vague. Just as there are numerous Native American tribes, and numerous African tribes, there are multiple groups of White people. And they've gone to war amongst one another, just as the other groups have.
In other words, Bob was wrong. History was much, much worse than he said it was.
'White' is incredibly vague. Just as there are numerous Native American tribes, and numerous African tribes, there are multiple groups of White people. And they've gone to war amongst one another, just as the other groups have.
In other words, Bob was wrong. History was much, much worse than he said it was.