The BNP are misunderstood...
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I read an article in the Economist a while back with a quote (unsure of whether it was in their literature or whether the head of the party said it) that "the BNP was open to indigenous Briton's"...I stopped caring about anything they had to say after that. Because that's not anti-illegal immigration, or even anti-immigration, that's xeno-phobic and anti-a large number of British born non-indigenous. It's blatantly racist. In the same article "Yet the party flopped in London (a failure Mr Griffin {the party's current Chairman} attributes to Labour activists ?ferrying Africans who can?t even speak English? to polling stations)."
I dunno if the link below works...it's a paysite...but the article's there...
http://www.economist.com/world/britain/displaystory.cfm?story_id=13837354
I dunno if the link below works...it's a paysite...but the article's there...
http://www.economist.com/world/britain/displaystory.cfm?story_id=13837354
Different elevations on the same slippery slope, aren't they? Both rooted in hatred of the unfamiliar.Sulu said:Theres a far cry between burning people and disliking jonny foreigner!Woodsey said:
A friend of mine used to work with asylum seekers when he was in social care- the stories he would come back with were shocking. While the asylum process was ongoing they were barred from taking jobs and had no choice but to live on benefits, which they could only claim several weeks after their arrival and had to fill in the form in English- if they didn't know the language and had no-one to help them, they were basically left destitute. The 'free housing' often yelled about by BNP supporters is temporary for applicants and almost universally shitty. Here in Glasgow most of our successful asylum seekers are housed in the high flats in Sighthill before they're demolished- nasty wee flats in a nasty wee area called Springburn. My great gran lived there in her final years and it was a ned-infested shitehole. Most of the refugees are Somalian and are just happy they're not getting shot at on a regular basis, but their lives are a far cry from the luxury envisaged by Mr Griffin and friends.
There was a report in the Independent on Sunday [http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/asylumseekers-hit-by-huge-rise-in-homelessness-1782525.html] (a left-leaning paper I will admit, but their facts are verifiable) that stated that changes to the way asylum applications are processed are leaving more and more people, including families with children and pregnant women, without accommodation or benefits (and, as I said before, they're barred from seeking work while their application is processed) and entirely reliant on the support of charities for survival.
With only this basic awareness of the realities of life British asylum seekers face I cannot help but wonder if the BNP and their supporters actually live on the same planet as the rest of us, never mind the same country. Perhaps it illustrates the dangers of only using one news source and sticking with it regardless of bias.
EDIT: And in the interest of not being hoist by my own hippie petard for only linking one newspaper article, here's another report on the same subject [http://www.insidehousing.co.uk/story.aspx?storycode=6505434] (with a decent discussion below).
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wait, do you mean only english people are allowed in the BNP? as in they discriminate against the scottish and welsh as well?
That's pretty stupid. But still, as soon as we discriminate against the discriminators, where do we stand? to undermine their opinions is to undermine democracy, so sadly there's nothing we can do to oust them from their position in european and british parliament, except not vote for them next time.
That's pretty stupid. But still, as soon as we discriminate against the discriminators, where do we stand? to undermine their opinions is to undermine democracy, so sadly there's nothing we can do to oust them from their position in european and british parliament, except not vote for them next time.
Well actually, the SNP are a different party with different ideals. They're not racist nationalists, they just believe that scotland would benefit from independence, and they work to their end. I still don't support them, and I think they have made some bogus decisions, but I think it has to be made clear that they are in no way affiliated with the BNP.antiwheat said:
Okay, I figured that this discussion could do with a useful link to the British National Party's website, I figure that they of all people should be able to give a comprehensive impression of themselves.
http://bnp.org.uk/
http://bnp.org.uk/
I remember some BNP propoganda pushed through my letterbox before the European election. They had the temerity to use pictures of Spitfires and talk about "The Battle Of Britain". Quite ironic, really, given that the Battle Of Britain was a battle against fascism.
The Nazis gained power in the early 1930s by toning down their anti-Semitic policies and stressing their more popular ones ('Work and Bread!' was one of their famous campaign promises).
Thankfully today we have much more highly developed mass media that makes it far harder for a political party to hide its true intentions, and, we aren't as desperate as the German people were back then.
Unfortunately every country has its share of the ignorant. BNP support is strongest among the lowest paid and the least educated people in the UK, frequently people living in the inner-city and without access to the kind of information we take for granted. Thus, they hear only snippets of what the BNP offer ('British jobs for British workers!') and tacitly ignore the racist overtones of the party.
Those better off people who are supporters are just... well, Racists. You could have the best education programme in the world and there would still be people exercising their anger and frustrations through the language of race. If people can convince themselves the moon landings were fake, they can convince themselves that non-British people are responsible for all of Britain's problems, or that the BNP is not racist. Thank God that there aren't enough of those imbeciles to get them seats in Parliament.
Thankfully today we have much more highly developed mass media that makes it far harder for a political party to hide its true intentions, and, we aren't as desperate as the German people were back then.
Unfortunately every country has its share of the ignorant. BNP support is strongest among the lowest paid and the least educated people in the UK, frequently people living in the inner-city and without access to the kind of information we take for granted. Thus, they hear only snippets of what the BNP offer ('British jobs for British workers!') and tacitly ignore the racist overtones of the party.
Those better off people who are supporters are just... well, Racists. You could have the best education programme in the world and there would still be people exercising their anger and frustrations through the language of race. If people can convince themselves the moon landings were fake, they can convince themselves that non-British people are responsible for all of Britain's problems, or that the BNP is not racist. Thank God that there aren't enough of those imbeciles to get them seats in Parliament.
Yeah, the BNP support what they call the "indigenous" population. This includes the supposedly Celtic 'races', Anglo-Saxons and Nordic people.Woodsey said:
look you got nothing to worry about most British people hate them
every politician calls them monsters and did you see the reaction to them winning a seat at the European election
a massive mob craving for Griffin?s (BNP leader) blood stopped him and his candidate from using the main entrance to where they where the results were being announced. if he had left the car the crowd would have torn him limb from limb(hopefully).
thankfully most people hate the BNP
so don?t worry only a few people are dumb enough to believe their lies and follow their hate
every politician calls them monsters and did you see the reaction to them winning a seat at the European election
a massive mob craving for Griffin?s (BNP leader) blood stopped him and his candidate from using the main entrance to where they where the results were being announced. if he had left the car the crowd would have torn him limb from limb(hopefully).
thankfully most people hate the BNP
so don?t worry only a few people are dumb enough to believe their lies and follow their hate
People like simple answers and radicals often have them in store ("the immigrants did it").
I can only hope that the support the BNP receives is actually a result of the people's dislike of the major parties and not actual agreement with the BNP itself.
You know, protest votes.
I can only hope that the support the BNP receives is actually a result of the people's dislike of the major parties and not actual agreement with the BNP itself.
You know, protest votes.
But do you believe this...? v v v v v Because if you don't you shouldn't vote for the party.Sulu said:
AND how the FUCK did this political discussion manage to get around to people quoting Zero Punctuation?? That should be an instant ban.Dale Cooper said:
If you vote BNP, you are a racist. It's that simple.Sulu said:
Define for me, if you will, who is a British person. Do they just need a passport? A spouse? A parent? Two parents? Do they need to be able to trace down an ancestor who lived here before 1066? Do they need to be white?
Now, I'm wondering why an educated person like you doesn't vote for a more mainstream political party. All of them are opposed to illegal immigration. And the benefits of legal immigration have been shown by numerous studies over the past few years - our economy would collapse without immigrants.
And there are nearly 500,000 jobs available in the British market. There seems to be plenty of work available despite the number of immigrants...
And which political parties can you seriously believe have an agenda regarding the institution of Sharia Law? I must have missed that from the political manifestos. Honestly, Sharia Law is the 'Evil Jew' conspiracy of our day. The Conservatives sure talked tough for a while about immigration - I never saw Tony Blair refer to William Hague as a Nazi, so why does Gordon Brown refer to Nick Griffin in that manner?
Denying that the BNP is racist is pointless. Their entire existence is built on an ideology of racial purity.
Actually, I think you're quoting Andy Murray there. Not sure if that's better or not...antiwheat said:
I am patriotic. But I don't think I live in the same nation as you. I live in a proud country of liberal democracy, which by and large has fought facism since it began. I too would not live in a country with Sharia Law. But a BNP approach would be much closer to Sharia law than the powerful, thousand year-old legal system of England and Wales.Sulu said:
I'd love to see some official statistics for this "mass asylum surge". The Daily Mail etc. have a twisted view of what aslyum seekers are, throwing them in with the jews (sorry, I mean illegal immigrants, the modern day scapegoat). Asylum seekers tend to be free thinkers speaking out against oppressive regimes. Facing torture, imprisonment and death they flee to England, leaving their homes and possessions, to live off pathetically stingy benefits (£30 to live on for a week is a rough estimate) which are first in the firing line for government cuts.
I can agree that it's stupid not to let asylum seekers work - by all means allow them to get jobs and contribute to the economy instead of draining it. Illegal immigration obviously needs to be curbed, but the cowardice and waffle from the two main parties is due to the disgusting trend of "career politicians" who've done nothing but work for the parties for their entire lives, and are too cowardly to come up with an original idea.
It isn't racist to wish to control illegal immigration. It IS racist to refuse membership of your party to any but caucasians. It is sexist to say there is no such thing as rape. The BNP are utterly ignorant, utterly evil and I would be happy to send them and their supporters to live on an island somewhere to live out their bitter, twisted ideals. Leave the rest of us in one of the finest nations on the planet as we work to repair and improve it. We won't let you tear it to pieces.