The coming american presidential election
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Yup.Joe said:
90% Kucinich
86% Gravel
79% Richardson
My picks would actually be Richardson, Obama, and Kucinich, in that order, but of the three Obama's the only one with a chance. Richardson has direct negotiating experience with Iraq and North Korea; he's an experienced diplomat at a time when I think America really needs one. An Obama Presidency with Richardson as VP or Secretary of State would work for me.
Having said all of that, I'm a Canadian living in Canada, so I won't be voting in the election or anything.
I just want Bush gone, and if all possible to suffer for what hes done to this country. I dont know much about the politics of the canidates, i need to get on that cause i actually get to vote now. I want some one who isnt a mindless pawn sitting in the pocket of some company, or some idiot from Texas that got us into an unwinable war. I want someone who will try to end the war, asap. Someone who will do something about our tax system, and medical system, i would say Hilary but aparently she sold out to the medical industry and has dropped her plans for unified health care. I also want some one who can lead, your not leading a country when you cant even get a 20% aproval rate. Mainly i want an isolationist as a president. Focus on fixing the things wrong with our country before going off pointing out the flaws of others. Personally i dont care about the issues of other countries, its their problem they can deal with it, like America needs to deal with its own problems.
I'm a moderate, leaning conservative, and I voted for Bush in the last election. In addition, I did it in a traditionally democratic state (Illinois)
There, I said it. I will duck stones and rotten vegetables now.
In a nutshell, while the Republican platform wasn't the best in the last election is was far more appealing than then Democratic one, which basically was "The Republicans suck". Bashing the other major party and basing your stuff on the failures of the other party doesn't get you elected in my book. Kerry lacked the ability to stand on his own two legs.
This time around, things are different. After looking at the issues I will probably vote Democratic and lean towards Obama as he presents more reasonable arguments that are independent of anyone else's, and in direct response to what I refer to above, he said:
"This can't be about who digs up more skeletons on who, who makes the fewest slip-ups on the campaign trail," he said. "We owe it to the American people to do more than that."
The polarizing hatred presented by Bush-bashers and Republicans accusing others of lack of patriotism turns me off. The fact that there is a candidate willing to step to the plate to end it or at least minimize it gets me interested.
I'm pretty dissatisfied with how my vote turned out and take responsibility for it, things have been handled pretty badly and the administration smacks of "lame duck". There's no way I'm voting another Clinton into office - I won't go into details, but some of the things Clinton did (and failed to do) caused me to lean Republican in the first place.
By the way, the glassbooth.org thing is really neat. I took it, ending up 71% Obama, and 70% each for Huckabee and Richardson. Seems about right.
There, I said it. I will duck stones and rotten vegetables now.
In a nutshell, while the Republican platform wasn't the best in the last election is was far more appealing than then Democratic one, which basically was "The Republicans suck". Bashing the other major party and basing your stuff on the failures of the other party doesn't get you elected in my book. Kerry lacked the ability to stand on his own two legs.
This time around, things are different. After looking at the issues I will probably vote Democratic and lean towards Obama as he presents more reasonable arguments that are independent of anyone else's, and in direct response to what I refer to above, he said:
"This can't be about who digs up more skeletons on who, who makes the fewest slip-ups on the campaign trail," he said. "We owe it to the American people to do more than that."
The polarizing hatred presented by Bush-bashers and Republicans accusing others of lack of patriotism turns me off. The fact that there is a candidate willing to step to the plate to end it or at least minimize it gets me interested.
I'm pretty dissatisfied with how my vote turned out and take responsibility for it, things have been handled pretty badly and the administration smacks of "lame duck". There's no way I'm voting another Clinton into office - I won't go into details, but some of the things Clinton did (and failed to do) caused me to lean Republican in the first place.
By the way, the glassbooth.org thing is really neat. I took it, ending up 71% Obama, and 70% each for Huckabee and Richardson. Seems about right.
LOL, where did you hear that? Even if it is true (and he's from Texas so you could very well be right about that), that's his business. I sincerely doubt that he would be pushing creationism into the school system like the current administration.the_carrot said:
Also, if that's the worst thing you can think about for Ron Paul I think that's a pretty good sign.
It truth, while I'd like to see Obama in the White House, I feel the same way as InsanityManifest about it; will the American populous really vote in a black guy?
Failing that, I want Hillary to win, mostly for the lulz.
PS: Glassbooth says I'm 84% Kucinich, 80% Gravel and 75% John Edwards.
PPS: I'm English. Who the hell is Kucinich?
PPPS: 1st post. Howdy.
Failing that, I want Hillary to win, mostly for the lulz.
PS: Glassbooth says I'm 84% Kucinich, 80% Gravel and 75% John Edwards.
PPS: I'm English. Who the hell is Kucinich?
PPPS: 1st post. Howdy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JyvkjSKMLwrawlight said:
There are other things I disagree with as well, but that just puts the lid on the coffin for me.
I'm a Canadian, but I follow American politics almost TOO much. It's hard to work out what the politicians support through their jargon and insincerity, so this glass booth thing was very helpful.
Before the test: I was kind of pulling for Edwards, because he has charisma as well as a willing to change the nation. I had liked some of the stuff Gravel said at a debate, but that guy sounds crazy even if what he's saying is the only thing rational.
After the test: I'm pulling for Kucinich. Yeah, I know he won't get elected, but if he did, that would be awesome. It kind of makes me wish people would stop making fun of him (although it is fun to call him a leprechaun) so that he could have his opinions heard.
Of the top candidates: I have no idea. The most important thing to me is that the Military Commissions Act is dealt with. I can't go into the States until it is. Right now, I could go into the United States legally, and in the middle of supporting their economy be declared an 'enemy combatant', get arrested under no charge, be tortured, and be held for the rest of my life without knowing what I had done, nevermind getting a trial. This Act should not exist, and nobody is doing anything about it.
Before the test: I was kind of pulling for Edwards, because he has charisma as well as a willing to change the nation. I had liked some of the stuff Gravel said at a debate, but that guy sounds crazy even if what he's saying is the only thing rational.
After the test: I'm pulling for Kucinich. Yeah, I know he won't get elected, but if he did, that would be awesome. It kind of makes me wish people would stop making fun of him (although it is fun to call him a leprechaun) so that he could have his opinions heard.
Of the top candidates: I have no idea. The most important thing to me is that the Military Commissions Act is dealt with. I can't go into the States until it is. Right now, I could go into the United States legally, and in the middle of supporting their economy be declared an 'enemy combatant', get arrested under no charge, be tortured, and be held for the rest of my life without knowing what I had done, nevermind getting a trial. This Act should not exist, and nobody is doing anything about it.
Zombie: George Wallace/Eugene V. Debbs in 2008. Where there is a working class, we shall eat them.J-Val said:
Elections: that special time of year when a bunch of rich people throw flashy carnivals all over the country to convice the proles that they have some kind of say in which one of the aformentioned rich people will be lording over them from afar for the next four to eight years; good times all around.
So... who's the Constitution Party gonna run this year? Seems that Jim Clymer's gonna edge over the rather small group of contenders, especially now that Jim Gilchrist went back to the GOP.
Be funny if the GOP and Libertarians both nominate Paul; 1896 all over.
Hell, either way America is in for a first:
It's either going to be the first Black President of the first Female President. I highly doubt a Republican party politician will get in after the last Republican candidate turned out to be a War-mongering Fuckknuckle.
So it's down to either Obama or Clinton for '08. Either way I'm happy ^^
*Edit* Or Edwards. I could be happy with Edwards.
It's either going to be the first Black President of the first Female President. I highly doubt a Republican party politician will get in after the last Republican candidate turned out to be a War-mongering Fuckknuckle.
So it's down to either Obama or Clinton for '08. Either way I'm happy ^^
*Edit* Or Edwards. I could be happy with Edwards.
With the state of things I think it's very unlikely that Hillary Clinton will be the first female President. She has the faults of her husband, it's tough to know exactly where she stands on issues while feeling very political, but she lacks the undeniable charisma of Mr. Clinton. Whether you liked him or not, the man just oozed personality, and that's what a lot of Americans like in a candidate. The person matters just as much (if not more) than the politics, and that largely contributes to her high unfavorable ratings. In the grand scheme of things she seems less than electable, and a more generic but less polarizing Republican candidate could probably beat her.
Barak Obama seems to be another story, and almost the exact opposite. People really do like the man, he seems genuine, and even if you don't like his politics; he seems like a good guy and you can have an idea of where he stands. The fact that he's young and feels new also doesn't hurt. He seems fairly electable, but for one thing. This will sound awful, but it is true. If his name were Henry James or John Williams he would probably stand a significantly better chance in the general election. The nation wants a change, and a young, new, African American man isn't a bad place to start after two families controlling US politics for the last 20 years.
But the man's name is Barak Hussein Obama. That does make some people think twice. It isn't right, especially when you look into it, but the fact is that many Americans don't look into things, and all they have to hear is that and they might back off. And that really is a shame. But the want for change might make people overlook that.
Edwards is more of a generic candidate in my mind, he's fairly young and energetic, he has that going for him. He probably has a very good chance if he makes it to the general election, but with the current state of things that seems unlikely.
The Republican field to me seems thoroughly boring. Rudy Giuliani is an interesting character, and probably would have a very good chance in a general election due to how liberal he is socially but how he's viewed as tough and tied to national security issues. But, he's pretty liberally socially and his campaign has been a mess, so it seems unlikely that he'll become the Republican nominee (especially due to his lack of appeal to the religious in his party).
John McCain is back again, he seems like just a good guy as ever, but he also feels old. Not just in age, but we've seen him before in races and he feels more of an establishment character than some of the others at play.
Overall, this election is going to be pretty interesting, I think.
Barak Obama seems to be another story, and almost the exact opposite. People really do like the man, he seems genuine, and even if you don't like his politics; he seems like a good guy and you can have an idea of where he stands. The fact that he's young and feels new also doesn't hurt. He seems fairly electable, but for one thing. This will sound awful, but it is true. If his name were Henry James or John Williams he would probably stand a significantly better chance in the general election. The nation wants a change, and a young, new, African American man isn't a bad place to start after two families controlling US politics for the last 20 years.
But the man's name is Barak Hussein Obama. That does make some people think twice. It isn't right, especially when you look into it, but the fact is that many Americans don't look into things, and all they have to hear is that and they might back off. And that really is a shame. But the want for change might make people overlook that.
Edwards is more of a generic candidate in my mind, he's fairly young and energetic, he has that going for him. He probably has a very good chance if he makes it to the general election, but with the current state of things that seems unlikely.
The Republican field to me seems thoroughly boring. Rudy Giuliani is an interesting character, and probably would have a very good chance in a general election due to how liberal he is socially but how he's viewed as tough and tied to national security issues. But, he's pretty liberally socially and his campaign has been a mess, so it seems unlikely that he'll become the Republican nominee (especially due to his lack of appeal to the religious in his party).
John McCain is back again, he seems like just a good guy as ever, but he also feels old. Not just in age, but we've seen him before in races and he feels more of an establishment character than some of the others at play.
Overall, this election is going to be pretty interesting, I think.
Sounds like somebody needs a healthy does of Ron Paul.Thegreatoz said:
Anyways, on the glassbooth poll, I pulled a 75% Huckabee/Paul/and oddly enough Fred Thompson split. Huckabee's got the votes but he's just too evangelical for me. But really I figure that's no reason to begrudge him anything, after all, a little Jesus never hurt anyone. Except Muslims of course, the church never really did to well with them.