The End of Pokemon...(Speculation)

[beniki]

Er... Pokemon MMO?

Combat mechanic is being perfected to death, they have a bucket load of lore and content, a levelling system for each pokemon you carry, and even a PvP tournament schedule.

Seriously, just whip up a 3d model set, which they already did on Gamecube, put micro-payments on potions and some items, an account sytem, and bam! Gateway MMO for young kids before they go on to Warcraft.

...

Come to think of it, with the potential for a variety of flying, swimming, digging and teleporting mounts, you'd have one hell of a game there.

Too right. But two questions must be asked.
1. Will you play from trainer or Pokemon perspective? and
2. If Pokemon perspective, how will they stop everyone from just choosing legendaries?

Trainer perspective. Makes more sense for role-play, and if I was being cynical, 600 pokemon to level up is much more of a time sink than one!
The legendary balance problem might still come up. Perhaps only allow one legendary per team? I'm not sure how you could explain that in terms of lore... perhaps make it be a pride thing for the more powerful pokemon.

It'd be interesting to see how the utility of each pokemon outside of battle would affect the team building. Tournament builds would be different from exploring builds. Land exploration builds would be different from sea exploration. And of course, PvP duels during the exploration would all be recorded in the context of the area leagues.

Hope Nintendo would hire an outside dev team to help make it though. The Japanese have a... traditional approach to MMOs, and that would kill the fun of a Pokemon world. Personally I'd get Cryptic in to do it, since they have an exceptional talent for building from a role play perspective.

 

[Amy-Louise Gowland]

I lost interest in the Pokemon games around the time of Pearl/Diamond on the DS. Personally, for me; I just got to the stage where it felt that I was playing the same game over and over again. Maybe a new format or style would persuade me to come back again. But that'll mean changing the Pokemon concept that ALOT of people love..

Hmm, have to wait and see I think.

 

[dday4you]

pokemon fps anyone? no?
anyway i dont think pokemon will die unless they run out of ideas for ledgendary pokemons, cause they are badass. like really

 

[spikeyjoey]

Too right. But two questions must be asked.
1. Will you play from trainer or Pokemon perspective? and
2. If Pokemon perspective, how will they stop everyone from just choosing legendaries?

trainer.. playing as a pokemon you would have to get rid of trainers (maybe have them as high level enemies, but what if you are captured?), and civilisation/ trading etc, which is essential for any MMO...

legendary's would involve an epic dungeon crawl

God knows why they havent made one already...

 

[Nazulu]

Well, I did say in one of my previous posts (that you even quoted) that they're just expanded on what a Pokemon can be, which was pretty much my point.

Yeah, I misread it, sorry

One thing though, I don't think when someone says "they're running out of ideas" like they've tried everything. Just that they're not hitting that same standard.

 

[Nazulu]

I lost interest in the Pokemon games around the time of Pearl/Diamond on the DS. Personally, for me; I just got to the stage where it felt that I was playing the same game over and over again. Maybe a new format or style would persuade me to come back again. But that'll mean changing the Pokemon concept that ALOT of people love..

Hmm, have to wait and see I think.

Same here, just couldn't bring myself to play it anymore. Over and over, I'm just over it. If they did make the characters and the story really interesting, maybe I would come back into it.

OT: They will keep making new Pokemon as long as there are designers around and money in it. My prediction is that the franchise will end when world war 3 commences and most of the human race is wiped out. Hopefully that won't be soon.

 

[Echo136]

As said, this is a thread for speculation, so if u have any ideas or opinions, please add to the thread.

Anyway, while playing pokemon White earlier i got thinking "how much longer can this franchise survive"? i mean while there is always room to improve the engine and design, there has never really been any story to build on or improve, no real improvements or renovations in the gameplay (i.e. combat), and after creating somewhere around 600 pokemon, how many more can they come up with? This all seems to me like the franchise is on its last limbs, and yet the games still sell very well, there is still a large fanbase behind the games, and a tv show and card game that is still enjoyed today. Will the franchise every die, or will we still be playing it on our DS super mega ultra lite on doomsday?

Black and White probably had the best story in the series so far, and if you think they'll start running out of ideas for pokemon, look back to Pearl/Diamond. They basically only added about 50 new pokemon, a lot of them being legendaries, and the rest were a mix from all the other generations. 600+ pokemon is a lot to choose from. Im sure if they wanted they could easily just make Gen 7 a mix of all the other generations, and add in some more babies and evolutions to pad it. Im not saying its the most creative thing to do. Im saying its been done, and the games still sell. As a franchise, Pokemon is extremely successful and hasnt seen a decline in years. Its unlikely itll see a decline any time soon. Will it die eventually? Maybe. I doubt Mario will last forever.

 

[irani_che]

the next pokemon will be Pokemon Brown:
You start with a choice of 3 pokemon, All are bidoof
you wander through several grasslands, Full of Bidoof
You face the champions who will have legendary Bidoofs
Eventually, you are re-united with you father, who is a Bidoof


This game will still make millions

 

[Buizel91]

Well, Mario is still alive, and the franchise just made it to space.
So Pokemon: Sun ?

When some friends and I were talking about what they could name the next Pokemon games, we settled on "Pokemon: Sun", "Pokemon: Moon", and "Pokemom: Eclipse", odd how we have the same idea...

Maybe I am your clone?

Anyway, I can very much see a Pokemon space game take place. But because I am such a fanboy, I want MewTwo to be the ruler of Mars. At least Mars...

Palkia And Dialga control Space and Time...it's been done

 

[Sonic Doctor]

HAHAHA! You'll never catch them all! MWAHAHAHA!

AKA: People seem to be still buying into it quite a bit. If it was ever on a 360 or PS3 or even a computer, I might even try it.

I actually caught them all during the first generation in my Yellow Version.

It might take the rest of the year or a little more, but once I get my WiFi connection, and I get to borrow my friend's DS once a week during each month, then I will easily be able to get them all.

Even event exclusives, you'd be surprised how many people get them and the trade them not long after. I saw a few when I had a WiFi connection once with my Diamond version.

I was already close to having them all in my Diamond version.

Mew won't be too much of a problem, it's on my Yellow version all I have to do is use my multiple generation versions and generation gameboys to ferry it to my White version.

I'll do it legit, none of this stupid hacking and cheating stuff that people talk about.

 

[ward.]

+1 for an MMO from the trainers perspective:
-Slogging through caves with groups of trainers trying to bring down the legendary pokemon.
-Fetch quests for nurse joy/ officer jenny/ every old man with a dying pokemon.
-Battling each other in PVP arenas.
-Traveling to new areas to fight gym leaders and the elite four.

Even the grinding would be boss.


Pokemon as it is now can't really die though, too much easily earned cash from the ever increasing fan base (kids are born every day).

 

[Buizel91]

Well, Mario is still alive, and the franchise just made it to space.
So Pokemon: Sun ?

When some friends and I were talking about what they could name the next Pokemon games, we settled on "Pokemon: Sun", "Pokemon: Moon", and "Pokemom: Eclipse", odd how we have the same idea...

Maybe I am your clone?

Anyway, I can very much see a Pokemon space game take place. But because I am such a fanboy, I want MewTwo to be the ruler of Mars. At least Mars...

Palkia And Dialga control Space and Time...it's been done

But did they control Mars? I think not.

Well if you control space...don't you control everything in it? Including mars?...

 

[nuba km]

Er... Pokemon MMO?

Combat mechanic is being perfected to death, they have a bucket load of lore and content, a levelling system for each pokemon you carry, and even a PvP tournament schedule.

Seriously, just whip up a 3d model set, which they already did on Gamecube, put micro-payments on potions and some items, an account sytem, and bam! Gateway MMO for young kids before they go on to Warcraft.

...

Come to think of it, with the potential for a variety of flying, swimming, digging and teleporting mounts, you'd have one hell of a game there.

Too right. But two questions must be asked.
1. Will you play from trainer or Pokemon perspective? and
2. If Pokemon perspective, how will they stop everyone from just choosing legendaries?

I would like one form the pokemon's perspective and the legendary thing can be solved by not letting players pick legendaries and of course legendaries would be raid bosses (dungeon raid group limit 6) I would play as dusknoir or tangrowth.

 

[Manji187]

maybe? i mean look at this

Spoiler: pokemon

pokemon

i think you would run out of ideas for pokemon when you make make one after a garbage bag.

Spoiler: but they didn't stop there

but they didn't stop there

they had to give it a evolution.

Whahahah. You Sir....have made my day and for that I thank you.

I can already hear the lil fella muttering "Garbage" incessantly.

 

[silver wolf009]

The next logical step: FEAR THE BIDOOFS!!

OT: I really don't know how much longer they can get by. The next games they are going to make is going to be remakes of Sapphire and Ruby, we all know its coming.

 

[extra testicle]

pokemon in the hood
pokemon in virtual reality
and yeah, pokemon in space

The pikachu character(and a few others, pidgy? jigglypuff?) will probably live on after the main gameplay mechanic gets outdated. Maybe team rocket and ash too. An fps would be funny, but a bad sign for the series.

I hope they're working on an online version, but I imagine trying to translate turn based combat is an issue. For PVP one way to solve it would be to have virtual police come after players that tried it without entering a designated combat area. Instead there would be a challenge, reputation and arena system where if you challenged similarly ranked players you would get experience for winning and "punishment" for declining. If a level 99 player challenged a level one there would be no punishment for declining and maybe the game could put an "evil" or "bully" tag or the character. Once you agreed to combat you enter an arena. Combat could be email style, but you would lose if you didn't respond in time. Maybe you would have to control a team of trainers so one avatar wouldn't get tied up in battle and you could still explore the world.

Declining all or most PVP battles could do something like make your character more zen and give some stat bonuses to the players that just want to explore and catch pokemon.

I'd also like to see a level of compatibility between a handheld version and the mmo version. This would be super cracky! You could respond to PVP battles from you handheld or maybe train pokemon you caught online.

I'd like to see pokemon as a more finite resource in an online game(especially the rarer ones) as it would lead to an interesting and varied economy. It would also be a good way to encourage guilds. Still, this would be a hard task to manage because you want casual players to feel satisfied, but also allow the dedicated to feel like they had achieved something really special when they get an ultra rare pokemon. I think there are much richer gaming experiences possible in a pokemon mmo than in something like WOW, but I understand it will be a lot of hard work.

 

[TrevorGruen]

there has never really been any story to build on or improve

Uhm. what? Assuming that's true for a moment, then the obvious way to improve on it would be to make a better story.

no real improvements or renovations in the gameplay (i.e. combat)

...Okay, so you really just have no idea what you're talking about then. Good to know. Because anyone who did would be able to give an entire list of gameplay improvements and renovations, like so:

Splitting the "special" stat from Gen 1 into "special attack" and "special defense" in Gen 2.
Hold items to add another level of variety to combat were added in Gen 2.
Two new types (dark and steel) were added in Gen 2 to help balance out the previously ridiculously overpowered Psychic type.
Weather effects and moves were added in Gen 2 that could drastically change the battle under the right circumstances.
Breeding was added in Gen 2 which could be used to get moves on a Pokémon that it wouldn't normally know for an added surprise for your opponents in battle.
Double battles were added in Gen 3.
Abilities were added in Gen 3 to add even more variety and decisions for Pokémon that could have one of two different abilities.
Natures were added in Gen 3 so you can play with your Pokémon's stats a bit more.
Gen 4 really shook things up by getting rid of the previous "all attacks of these types use the attack and defense stats, and all attacks of these types use the special attack and special defense stats" method and splitting it up so that there are both physical and special moves for all move types.
Gen 5 added both triple battles and rotation battles.
And of course, new hold items, abilities, and moves were always being added in each new generation after the concept was first introduced.

But no, you're right. Gameplay hasn't had any real improvements or renovations, and aside from the more colorful graphics and better music, battling in Black and White is exactly the same as battling in Red and Blue.

Now, about this death nonsense. These games are hugely popular, especially now. You say last limbs? All the Black and White sales are laughing at you right now for suggesting such a thing. The series is still going strong, and even if the next games don't sell as well as Black and White, they'd have to experience a Guitar Hero 502 (or whatever the last one was, they never really numbered the damn things properly)/Rock Band 3 level of failure before they even thought about ending the franchise.

dont be so quick to judge, what you are talking about (special defense, dark, double battles) those are all tweaks and minor changes. It has still been having six pokemon with 4 moves each in turn based combat since the begining. and did you even read my post before you started talking shit at me? i didnt say it was on its last limbs, i said it seems like it should be if not for the sales you ass. read, dont judge, and if your going to judge read what i said first you prick.

 

[Yoshisummons]

This thread summed up: (Omg it will never end and it never changes!) times 141 posts as of this posting. Great job guys.