The Feminine Female

[Dragunai]

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Sorry I read up to "select male elite" and just saw the rest of this being a feminism rant which is not what this thead is about. I apologise for the girl / man thing its just something associated with my childhood.

As a young, young boy I used to hear my parents and other adults saying girls when referencing nice females that were in general someone you wanted to be around, the only times I heard them say woman was in reference to females I, at the time as a small child, saw as somewhat more aggressive females whilst ladies where high society types.

There is no male > female oppression in my words it was simply a psychosematic correlation to childhood impressions I dont seem to have shaken off.

Incedently I do take the same thinking as Sir John. I see girls as any female up to the age of about 30 but when I say girl I mean it in a positive thing and Just like John for me girl is no different from chick, chica or dudette.

I love feminine chicks. Now this is not to be confused with feminists. I can't stand women who blab on about how evil men are or how we only care about sex. Tell me something I don't already fucking know. Gosh. I have known many of these women in my life and all of them I find totally annoying. If you wanna get a job, great good for you. Don't get in my face and pretend you're better than me. You wanna be in the army? Fuck, I'm not stopping you. It's when you start making a war where there isn't one. There is a word in my vocabulary for women like this. A *****.


Note this MY own personal opinion. If you have a problem with it, post a comment. Thank you.

As stated above. I dont want to see references to feminists here. Its one of those unstable volatile discussions like religion and politics. Keep in with the feminine side not the feminist.

I want to know if the girls agree and if they dont, I want them to explain what defines them as feminine.

Genetalia, ideally. Well, I could ramble about gender stereotypes and secondary sex characteristics but I cbf.

Just out of curiosity, what would you think of a girl sitting there looking demure, with a pretty skirt and a cardigan, and you ask her what she's listening to, and she says "Dimmu Borgir" or something?

Hang on. I must investigate what the hell Dimmu Borgir is...

TO YOUTUBE!

...

Ah k So speed metal.
Id be fine with it. I listen to anything going and if I can sit and talk to her at length about it then we have common ground.

Perhaps I have presented myself poorly.

I am not strictly drawn to feminine girls. My last gf was a gaming tomboy who didnt wear dresses. My FIRST gf was, yes. She was the exact definition of my OP and most likely the subconscious precedent for my thinking.

I like girls who wear jeans. They do look sexy in them and I never said that it was a bad thing for them to do so. The original thinking here was - My idea of feminism is girls who wear skirts, like pretty things, have a soft and gentle nature.

It was everyone else who declared all manner of shovanism and "Keep the XY chromasome down!"

No, a girl being soft and gentle Does not make her weak and I never said it did.

I just prefer it when Im sitting on the couch with her watching a movie and she snuggles into my arm, chest or lap and chills out wearing one of my jerseys that is big enough to be a nighty on her (Im a tall dude with broad shoulders to clarify.), I love that sort of thing in a relationshop and no its not because I want her to be submissive and dependant. I just like feeling needed by the female in my life and that is one sign of such a thing. Does that make me such a terrible person?

Yes, if a girl is smiley, upbeat and fun whilst being playful and quiet in her actions I will be drawn to her without exception or second thought.
That isnt to say she sits there and shuts the hell up. I am a quiet person, I like staying at home and chilling on my 360 or watching tv and if I go out I prefer to hang out with my friends and avoid attention. Is it so bad to want to date a girl who has a similar attitude?

I know girls are typically more out going and friendly than guys, its just in their nature and thats also an amazing trait I find attractive but I dont want to date a girl who is going to drag me onto the dancefloor of a night club knowing I hate that sort of exposure in a public scene.
Therefore the girl who is happy to hold hands in a cinema or hang out in a park and show affection between the two of us on a nice day IS going to get my attention much before the scene grabber.

No, I dont consider either of these personalities to be weak, bad or in anyway wrong. I just have a personal preference to girls who accept me for who I am (the quiet, shy, nerd) and run with it, smile on her face and loving me with equal or greater amounts returned toward her.

Now back to the flow.

It seems there is a common air which here. Seems to be that feminine in todays standard is more about a girls attitude and personality over her outward appereance with a few people disagreeing.

Keep the dicussion going. I am learning alot here.

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I forget who said they live in London and see the girls in skirts but I live in Lincolnshire on a very remote farm where all the settlements nearby are infested with chavs and chavettes.
I do not class chavettes as women, girls or human as its insulting to actual females I have respect for.

As I said in an earlier post, I am very reclusive and not by any choice I made, so I cant really observe the shift in social trends.

 

[Dragunai]

Edited in relation Dags90's point on girly girl / feminine woman.

I would say I'm incredibly attracted to feminine women, however I'm repulsed by screachy girly girls.

I soposed its similar to the diffecence between a masculine man and a meathead douchebag.

Yeah. I mean the more I read the replies here the more I sort of see in my head my own short sightedness in my original post.

To explain - While I like seeing girls in skirts and button up jerseys its less about the actual outfit and more about the fact she chose to wear something like that.
I guess my preference is more just cute girls like some people have said.

 

[trooper6]

Feminine clothing =/= Feminine woman.

A feminine woman can wear jeans and still be feminine. Heck a feminine woman can wear a tuxedo and still be feminine.
Similarly, a butch woman wearing a skirt is still going to be a butch woman.

 

[Hammonwrye]

Feminine clothing =/= Feminine woman.

A feminine woman can wear jeans and still be feminine. Heck a feminine woman can wear a tuxedo and still be feminine.
Similarly, a butch woman wearing a skirt is still going to be a butch woman.

I agree with trooper6 on this. What "IS" feminine. I don't think there can be a solid definition. Feminine means different things to different people. Skirts/jeans, tomboy/girlie, it's all valid depending on your viewpoint and personal likes/dislikes.

Personally, I get more upset about the broad definition that society chooses to use to define women and/or femininity vs. the more limited view that is placed upon men and the way they are expected to behave and dress. Sure, a woman can look just as feminine in a backless evening gown vs. a tuxedo but a man is labeled a pervert, not masculine, if he wears a dress vs. said tuxedo. Why is that...?

 

[Labyrinth]

Sorry I read up to "select male elite" and just saw the rest of this being a feminism rant which is not what this thead is about. I apologise for the girl / man thing its just something associated with my childhood.

As a young, young boy I used to hear my parents and other adults saying girls when referencing nice females that were in general someone you wanted to be around, the only times I heard them say woman was in reference to females I, at the time as a small child, saw as somewhat more aggressive females whilst ladies where high society types.

There is no male > female oppression in my words it was simply a psychosematic correlation to childhood impressions I dont seem to have shaken off.

Incedently I do take the same thinking as Sir John. I see girls as any female up to the age of about 30 but when I say girl I mean it in a positive thing and Just like John for me girl is no different from chick, chica or dudette.

As stated above. I dont want to see references to feminists here. Its one of those unstable volatile discussions like religion and politics. Keep in with the feminine side not the feminist.

Sorry, but if you start up a conversation about gender, you must respect that feminism and gender roles are going to be brought into it whether you like it or not. Disregarding these because they're associated with the feminist movement is rather silly. We bring feminism up because it is fundamentally important to these discussions as soon as you ask for a definition of 'feminine'. I figure you're going to toss this aside too, which is disappointing. I'd hoped better, and in the faint, lingering light of that sweet hope here's a link to a blog which I think you should read: Feminism 101 [http://finallyfeminism101.wordpress.com/] and another to a post on why we talk about feminism: here [http://www.colorado.edu/English/courses/ENGL2012Klages/19971feminism.html]. The latter's probably a better single choice.

 

[dslatch]

A feminine girl where i live are the ones that don't smoke and couldn't bring down Ali in a fist fight. So that leaves jeans, pointed shoes, hair left long, you know the girls who can't carry a long conversation with a guy like me.

 

[Dragunai]

Sorry I read up to "select male elite" and just saw the rest of this being a feminism rant which is not what this thead is about. I apologise for the girl / man thing its just something associated with my childhood.

As a young, young boy I used to hear my parents and other adults saying girls when referencing nice females that were in general someone you wanted to be around, the only times I heard them say woman was in reference to females I, at the time as a small child, saw as somewhat more aggressive females whilst ladies where high society types.

There is no male > female oppression in my words it was simply a psychosematic correlation to childhood impressions I dont seem to have shaken off.

Incedently I do take the same thinking as Sir John. I see girls as any female up to the age of about 30 but when I say girl I mean it in a positive thing and Just like John for me girl is no different from chick, chica or dudette.

As stated above. I dont want to see references to feminists here. Its one of those unstable volatile discussions like religion and politics. Keep in with the feminine side not the feminist.

Sorry, but if you start up a conversation about gender, you must respect that feminism and gender roles are going to be brought into it whether you like it or not. Disregarding these because they're associated with the feminist movement is rather silly. We bring feminism up because it is fundamentally important to these discussions as soon as you ask for a definition of 'feminine'. I figure you're going to toss this aside too, which is disappointing. I'd hoped better, and in the faint, lingering light of that sweet hope here's a link to a blog which I think you should read: Feminism 101 [http://finallyfeminism101.wordpress.com/] and another to a post on why we talk about feminism: here [http://www.colorado.edu/English/courses/ENGL2012Klages/19971feminism.html]. The latter's probably a better single choice.

Again you're just trying to start an arguement where none exists. You're clearly just angry you were born a woman and want to make sure the rest of us suffer for it. No one else here said ANYTHING in regards to feminists because no one else here correlates the sterotypes of the two defintions: "Cute girls in pink dresses" with "womans rights and the suffrajet movement"

I apologised for the implication of "girl = juvenile" and I explained my basis for it. You didnt even acknowledge my apology or my reasoning. You simply just jumped into another insulting post against me when I went and explained why I didnt want feminism brought up here.

Anyone who has ever used a web forum knows hand on heart and irrivocably that as soon as you bring up a political, religious or Gender based discussion on the intellectual wasteland of the internet, arguements WILL arise. THAT is why I told you and one other person to let it go and not bring it up again. The 2nd person adhered to my civilised and rationally explained request. You didn't because you have a point to prove.

So please take your hateful, argumentitive posts and leave before I report you for inciting flame wars and arguements in a perfectly happy thread where no one is offended or angry about the pretext. Not even the other female posters who have simply said "I am feminine because" or "I am not not because".

Thank you.

A feminine girl where i live are the ones that don't smoke and couldn't bring down Ali in a fist fight. So that leaves jeans, pointed shoes, hair left long, you know the girls who can't carry a long conversation with a guy like me.

Dude where the hell do you live?
Where I am seeing a girl in a skirt is something of a privilege. Interestingly enough one of the motivations for starting this thread was on my birthday the otherday when I was in a town local to me. I saw this chick who was about 5'2" (157.5cm to the americans) in height. Probably in her early 30s (coould be wrong) and she was wearing a very vibrant red skirt to her knee and a red jersey. I couldnt understand her language of choice but it was a distinct pleasure to see a female in a skirt who seemed happy to embrace her gender.

 

[Naheal]

Which seems to be 90% of the internet these days haha.
I presented my OP with 3 fair questions that either gender can wade in on without either having to feel kicked and down.

I want to know if the girls agree and if they dont, I want them to explain what defines them as feminine. Its not a rant, its not a hate speech. Im just a reclusive guy who lives very far away from any major settlements and therefore cannot get into social settings often to construct a stronger foundation to set this on.

This is unavoidable, because 90% of the internet is looking for a fight. And the other 10% is downloading porn.

You got that backwards.

 

[Evidencebased]

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Again you're just trying to start an arguement where none exists. You're clearly just angry you were born a woman and want to make sure the rest of us suffer for it. No one else here said ANYTHING in regards to feminists because no one else here correlates the sterotypes of the two defintions: "Cute girls in pink dresses" with "womans rights and the suffrajet movement"

I apologised for the implication of "girl = juvenile" and I explained my basis for it. You didnt even acknowledge my apology or my reasoning. You simply just jumped into another insulting post against me when I went and explained why I didnt want feminism brought up here.

Anyone who has ever used a web forum knows hand on heart and irrivocably that as soon as you bring up a political, religious or Gender based discussion on the intellectual wasteland of the internet, arguements WILL arise. THAT is why I told you and one other person to let it go and not bring it up again. The 2nd person adhered to my civilised and rationally explained request. You didn't because you have a point to prove.

So please take your hateful, argumentitive posts and leave before I report you for inciting flame wars and arguements in a perfectly happy thread where no one is offended or angry about the pretext. Not even the other female posters who have simply said "I am feminine because" or "I am not not because".

Thank you.

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Dude where the hell do you live?
Where I am seeing a girl in a skirt is something of a privilege. Interestingly enough one of the motivations for starting this thread was on my birthday the otherday when I was in a town local to me. I saw this chick who was about 5'2" (157.5cm to the americans) in height. Probably in her early 30s (coould be wrong) and she was wearing a very vibrant red skirt to her knee and a red jersey. I couldnt understand her language of choice but it was a distinct pleasure to see a female in a skirt who seemed happy to embrace her gender.

Waaaait... you don't want to discuss feminist theory but then you go and say stuff like "happy to embrace her gender"? And equate that to skirt-wearing? You do realize that a huge portion of feminist discussion involves talking about "what is gender?" and "how do people perform gender?" and "what does a skirt indicate about the wearer (if anything)?" and the like, right? There is literally no way to have a chat about performances of femininity (which is the essence of the "feminine female" question) without bringing up some feminist concepts.

There's nothing angry about it! Why would women hate being women? But gender and performances of gender are a complex subject that feminists (yes, male feminists too) spend a lot of time reading and thinking about. Saying that you don't want feminist input on a question of changing definitions of femininity is like saying that you don't want any scientists giving input on a discussion of science. It's kinda what they do all day.

 

[theevilsanta]

Just finished reading the thread and wow, what a mess.

From the OP I get this: Women in skirts and dresses are hot, yet I almost never see them. WTF!?

He also appreciates women that have more "feminine" characteristics. I mean, who doesn't love their mommy? (I'm serious not condescending here.)

That brings me to my next observation - the use of the words "feminine" and "masculine" are really not going to bring this thread anywhere productive. There have been thousands upon thousands of pages written about these subjects by people smarter than us.

So why does the OP love the dresses? I'd venture a guess that it's the same reason I love seeing women in skirts or dresses - the exoticness. I am a relatively normal hetero American man and haven't ever worn a dress, skirt, tights, a frilly blouse or, my favorite, lace. Before I became involved with women in an intimate way I'd never even touched such articles of clothing. They were a fascinating enigma. They were a physical representation of the mystery of the opposite sex. And who doesn't find mystery sexy?

Yet when I see a woman, no matter how attractive, wearing a jeans and whatever or slacks and whatever part of that intriguing mystery is lost. Other than chest support they are essentially wearing the exact same thing I might wear the next day. I imagine women feel the same way about the few articles of clothing men still have tenuous ownership over - neck ties, cuff links, and men's shoes (and jock straps?).

Let's face it. Clothes cling to our bodies more than anything else. Our bodies are what we have sex with. CLOTHES ARE SEXUAL.

 

[Dragunai]

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Waaaait... you don't want to discuss feminist theory but then you go and say stuff like "happy to embrace her gender"? And equate that to skirt-wearing? You do realize that a huge portion of feminist discussion involves talking about "what is gender?" and "how do people perform gender?" and "what does a skirt indicate about the wearer (if anything)?" and the like, right? There is literally no way to have a chat about performances of femininity (which is the essence of the "feminine female" question) without bringing up some feminist concepts.

There's nothing angry about it! Why would women hate being women? But gender and performances of gender are a complex subject that feminists (yes, male feminists too) spend a lot of time reading and thinking about. Saying that you don't want feminist input on a question of changing definitions of femininity is like saying that you don't want any scientists giving input on a discussion of science. It's kinda what they do all day.

I guess I didnt think that through enough when I posted it.
It just seems that anytime a feminist surfaces a barrage of insults, aggressive opinions and arguements seems to follow them and I am truely sick and tired of hearing it.

I dont mistreat women, I dont look down at them and I dont objectify them.
Any girls Ive had in my life were loved, doted on and adored before they cheated on me and left me for some other guy.

I seriously dont understand this whole concept anymore, I honestly dont. I mean, I do what I can to sustain the belief that all humans are good and that just because 100% of my relationships ended in me being betrayed doesnt equate to all women being that way inclined all I end up getting is abuse FROM women who seem to hate being women.

In the end all feminism is encouraging in me is the distinct desire to become A sexual and just avoid women at all costs for fear of simply getting screamed at any time I cross the path of one.

Conversely if a female was to join the conversation and bring up feminism in RELETIVE CONTEXT and not say tedious, predicatable and frankly trollish things like "Select Male Elite" but instead say "Well from a feminist point of view perhaps some girls find feminine clothing make them the subject of attention from sleazy men" I would reply with "Thats a good point as some girls (like men) can be shy about their physical appereance for Reasons unique to them and if a sleaze bag was hitting on her and staring at her chest / legs etc I can understand how wearing such articles make them uncomfortable". Instead what we got was Labrynth trying and failing to incite me to an arguement.

Theres a difference between presenting a case from a feminist point of view in a civilised manner and simply ramming it down my throat. I have said repeatedly, I am a civilised rational adult male, I dont want more god forsaken arguements from people who are just looking for fights.

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Just finished reading the thread and wow, what a mess.

From the OP I get this: Women in skirts and dresses are hot, yet I almost never see them. WTF!?

He also appreciates women that have more "feminine" characteristics. I mean, who doesn't love their mommy? (I'm serious not condescending here.)

That brings me to my next observation - the use of the words "feminine" and "masculine" are really not going to bring this thread anywhere productive. There have been thousands upon thousands of pages written about these subjects by people smarter than us.

So why does the OP love the dresses? I'd venture a guess that it's the same reason I love seeing women in skirts or dresses - the exoticness. I am a relatively normal hetero American man and haven't ever worn a dress, skirt, tights, a frilly blouse or, my favorite, lace. Before I became involved with women in an intimate way I'd never even touched such articles of clothing. They were a fascinating enigma. They were a physical representation of the mystery of the opposite sex. And who doesn't find mystery sexy?

Yet when I see a woman, no matter how attractive, wearing a jeans and whatever or slacks and whatever part of that intriguing mystery is lost. Other than chest support they are essentially wearing the exact same thing I might wear the next day. I imagine women feel the same way about the few articles of clothing men still have tenuous ownership over - neck ties, cuff links, and men's shoes (and jock straps?).

Let's face it. Clothes cling to our bodies more than anything else. Our bodies are what we have sex with. CLOTHES ARE SEXUAL.

Interesting view point. I am inclined to agree with you.

 

[BioHazardMan]

As most of us probably know, beauty is subjective.

Although my view of a feminine woman would be one who wears girlish things, is very emotional (aren't they all? Heh), wants men to do things for her etc.

Personally I prefer girls that are kind of tomboyish, but that's just me.

 

[Brutal Peanut]

I like wearing jeans and t-shirts, but I also like to get dressed up, when it counts. Like a special occasion. Honestly, the casual look doesn't work ALL the time, and I think some people (men and women) should realize that. Not everything is a t-shirt and jeans affair. I'll wear jeans and t-shirt but I'll also do my hair and wear light make-up (or none, depending on how warm it is) when I go out to run errands , and I'll carry a purse and all that. I don't go out in my 'lay-around-the-house' clothes, which is a big comfy hoodie, sweatpants, and moccasin style house-shoes.

I think a lot of women aren't dressing that way, not because they don't like it (though some don't), but because of cost and convenience. Jeans and t-shirts, are hardier and they tend to last a lot longer. Not just that, it also depends on the weather. If it's cold out, you can forget the skirt and silky blouse. Summer is a completely different story around here at 113 degrees F, and you'll see a lot of skirts.

Some ladies, just feel confined by dress-up clothes, and others think they are the comfiest items in the world. It really all depends on the persons personal tastes. I do make an effort to make myself, look (my version) of presentable when I go out, and that's enough for me.

 

[Labyrinth]

Again you're just trying to start an arguement where none exists. You're clearly just angry you were born a woman and want to make sure the rest of us suffer for it. No one else here said ANYTHING in regards to feminists because no one else here correlates the sterotypes of the two defintions: "Cute girls in pink dresses" with "womans rights and the suffrajet movement"

So please take your hateful, argumentitive posts and leave before I report you for inciting flame wars and arguements in a perfectly happy thread where no one is offended or angry about the pretext. Not even the other female posters who have simply said "I am feminine because" or "I am not not because".

Thank you.

I'm curious as to how you got to "Hateful and argumentative" from my civil posting. Perhaps there has been a misunderstanding along the way. Was it the "select male elite" bit? Allow me to explain. That phrase does not refer to all men everywhere being an elite, it refers to the fact that the majority of power elite in the world are male. Generally also white and over 45 in modern times but there has been a select male elite throughout as many cultures as I can think of, and as far back as my knowledge of history goes. This is what is meant by patriarchy, the rule of patriarchs. It's neither hateful nor argumentative to point this out, it's a historical, statistical fact.

Nor do I quite get the part about wishing I'd been born male and wanting to make people suffer. Is this a general assertion you're making about feminists? Been reading some Freud perhaps? I assure you it is mistaken. One of the key reasons that feminists have been trying to redefine 'feminine' and 'masculine', or indeed, to remove them as defining features all together is because a lot of people find themselves restricted by these definitions. From the idea that celebrating being female requires one to be demure and wear dresses to the rather militant attitude that it's not manly to like men, these are cultural constructions which impede those who do not adhere to them.

If you're looking for feminist perspectives which are relevant to this discussion, perhaps you should remember the fact that you specifically asked what we defined as 'feminine'. I am entirely happy with my gender and do embrace and enjoy it. As I said before, my femininity comes from that and that alone, not from dressing in colourful skirts or acting in a traditionally 'feminine' manner.

 

[Ultrajoe]

Anyone who has ever used a web forum knows hand on heart and irrivocably that as soon as you bring up a political, religious or Gender based discussion on the intellectual wasteland of the internet, arguements WILL arise. THAT is why I told you and one other person to let it go and not bring it up again. The 2nd person adhered to my civilised and rationally explained request. You didn't because you have a point to prove.

But it's a valid point, you can't ask about the idea of the 'feminine' and then turn aside a feminist viewpoint. It's like asking about avionics and then asking the electrical engineers or pilots to take their opinion elsewhere. Even when asking nicely you can't make relevant comments any less pertinent.

 

[Ultrajoe]

I guess I didnt think that through enough when I posted it.
It just seems that anytime a feminist surfaces a barrage of insults, aggressive opinions and arguements seems to follow them and I am truely sick and tired of hearing it.

The only one tossing insults, aggressive opinions and argumentative comments so far is you.

I dont mistreat women, I dont look down at them and I dont objectify them.

Yes you do, you've described several ways in this thread alone you'd love to objectify them. The problem with your assertion is that you don't know what the word 'Objectify' means from a gender-roles perspective. You don't do what you think is objectification, but the relevant definition of that word is apparently what you love in women.

Here's the thing, there's nothing wrong with that. What's wrong is the assumption that this is in some way 'proper' or 'natural'. There's a difference between loving demure women and hating the ones that aren't, and I'm not accusing you of either of those before you respond.

I seriously dont understand this whole concept anymore, I honestly dont. I mean, I do what I can to sustain the belief that all humans are good and that just because 100% of my relationships ended in me being betrayed doesnt equate to all women being that way inclined all I end up getting is abuse FROM women who seem to hate being women.

They abuse you (or if this thread is any indication; reply to you and then get yelled at for it) because you think of them and refer to them as 'women who seem to hate being women'. Is that surprising?

In the end all feminism is encouraging in me is the distinct desire to become A sexual and just avoid women at all costs for fear of simply getting screamed at any time I cross the path of one.

Conversely if a female was to join the conversation and bring up feminism in RELETIVE CONTEXT and not say tedious, predicatable and frankly trollish things like "Select Male Elite" but instead say "Well from a feminist point of view perhaps some girls find feminine clothing make them the subject of attention from sleazy men"

But that's not what she was saying. Her comment *was* related in context, just because you take offense automatically doesn't mean otherwise. In fact, we might say it makes it all the more relevant.

Instead what we got was Labrynth trying and failing to incite me to an arguement.

A discussion, and the only failure here was yours to not respond rationally.

Theres a difference between presenting a case from a feminist point of view in a civilised manner and simply ramming it down my throat. I have said repeatedly, I am a civilised rational adult male, I dont want more god forsaken arguements from people who are just looking for fights.

Saying you're a civilized and rational adult and behaving like one are very different things. I'm sorry for being a snarky piece of shit, but do you think that the reason women keep leaving you and why feminists keep becoming offended by you is because you keep on being offensive?

 

[Dreiko_v1legacy]

To me femininity is in cuteness and in the softness imbued into a girl's way with things, not in her style. I'll give you a perfectly good example.


There's this girl in my Japanese class who one day wore a shirt with a panda, which said "I wish I were a panda". Then, some days later she had another shirt on with a panda which said "I wish I were colorful". Now, that stroke a chord with me and I found it extremely adorable, even though she was wearing jeans at both times. I commented to her about how I found it endearing and she was instantly shy I remembered it, not in an awkward way but more in a funny one. My memory retains odd things like that but to her that seemed too much and she now often asks me questions about the clothes she wore previously. It has become a sort of game lol.


So yeah, don't try and set a limit as to what you can classify as feminine and what you can't, people can and usually will surprise you.