The Feminine Female

[Dragunai]

Again you're just trying to start an arguement where none exists. You're clearly just angry you were born a woman and want to make sure the rest of us suffer for it. No one else here said ANYTHING in regards to feminists because no one else here correlates the sterotypes of the two defintions: "Cute girls in pink dresses" with "womans rights and the suffrajet movement"

So please take your hateful, argumentitive posts and leave before I report you for inciting flame wars and arguements in a perfectly happy thread where no one is offended or angry about the pretext. Not even the other female posters who have simply said "I am feminine because" or "I am not not because".

Thank you.

I'm curious as to how you got to "Hateful and argumentative" from my civil posting. Perhaps there has been a misunderstanding along the way. Was it the "select male elite" bit? Allow me to explain. That phrase does not refer to all men everywhere being an elite, it refers to the fact that the majority of power elite in the world are male. Generally also white and over 45 in modern times but there has been a select male elite throughout as many cultures as I can think of, and as far back as my knowledge of history goes. This is what is meant by patriarchy, the rule of patriarchs. It's neither hateful nor argumentative to point this out, it's a historical, statistical fact.

Nor do I quite get the part about wishing I'd been born male and wanting to make people suffer. Is this a general assertion you're making about feminists? Been reading some Freud perhaps? I assure you it is mistaken. One of the key reasons that feminists have been trying to redefine 'feminine' and 'masculine', or indeed, to remove them as defining features all together is because a lot of people find themselves restricted by these definitions. From the idea that celebrating being female requires one to be demure and wear dresses to the rather militant attitude that it's not manly to like men, these are cultural constructions which impede those who do not adhere to them.

If you're looking for feminist perspectives which are relevant to this discussion, perhaps you should remember the fact that you specifically asked what we defined as 'feminine'. I am entirely happy with my gender and do embrace and enjoy it. As I said before, my femininity comes from that and that alone, not from dressing in colourful skirts or acting in a traditionally 'feminine' manner.

Ok awesome, your patronisng use of "reading Freud" isnt contadicting your claim that your being civilised at all so I absolutely feel compelled to agree with you and simply say Congrats, you win.

I admit men are mud crawling dogs and women are the master race. Can I now go back to not giving the slightest of fucks about feminism?

It would be just super if we could, maybe, get back on track and go back to talking about "what is your personal opinion on modern feminine images" without any of the attitude or bitchiness.

Not going to happen as long as feminists are hanging out in the thread but I, a humble man who doesnt deserve his rights or freedom, can dream!

 

[Ultrajoe]

Ok awesome, your patronisng use of "reading Freud" isnt contadicting your claim that your being civilised at all so I absolutely feel compelled to agree with you and simply say Congrats, you win.

I admit men are mud crawling dogs and women are the master race. Can I now go back to not giving the slightest of fucks about feminism?

It would be just super if we could, maybe, get back on track and go back to talking about "what is your personal opinion on modern feminine images" without any of the attitude or bitchiness.

Not going to happen as long as feminists are hanging out in the thread but I, a humble man who doesnt deserve his rights or freedom, can dream!

It must be very confronting, when the evil feminists conspire to behave differently than your impossible doomsday preconceptions demand. How devious of them, to display none of the sentiments you're accusing them of! When you know, quite clearly, what feminism is all about! You've not read their essays, blogs or taken part in their discourse (because that would be supporting the female supremacists they seditiously don't act like) so you know what you're not talking about like the back of their hand!

If you took a moment to read what labyrinth is writing, instead of seeing red like the worst possible characiture of a chauvinist, you might notice that she's been more on topic than you have. She's correcting and questioning you, not all men. She's speaking for herself, not all women and most certainly not all feminists (who can be quite divided on certain topics, especially what 'feminine' means). This isn't man versus women, only you've gone and made it as such to conform with your idea of what a feminist is and how much they hate you.

Feminists don't hate you. I'm very sorry to break this news to you, there are support groups available.

 

[MasterChief892039]

Ok awesome, your patronisng use of "reading Freud" isnt contadicting your claim that your being civilised at all so I absolutely feel compelled to agree with you and simply say Congrats, you win.

I admit men are mud crawling dogs and women are the master race. Can I now go back to not giving the slightest of fucks about feminism?

It would be just super if we could, maybe, get back on track and go back to talking about "what is your personal opinion on modern feminine images" without any of the attitude or bitchiness.

Not going to happen as long as feminists are hanging out in the thread but I, a humble man who doesnt deserve his rights or freedom, can dream!

Holy crap. So, that post made me curious as to what Labyrinth could have possibly said that got you so riled up at feminists, so I went back and read your exchange with her from the beginning. I suggest you do the same, and evaluate how you reacted. Labyrinth contributed a thoughtful, relevant, civil and intelligent post to the discussion you started, and you flipped shit and attacked her. I'm curious what it was in her discussion of gender that offended you so personally? She has a point; you cannot discuss "femininity" without first examining what we define as "feminine", and why... the answers to such questions lie in culture and gender construction, two areas that are often studied in feminist theory.

Nothing Labyrinth said at any point was argumentative, insulting, or man-bashing. She did use the phrase "male elite", but she was referring to the historical fact that men have typically held the positions of power - it was not at all an attack on you or men, but a simple statement of fact that cannot be denied.



Anyway, OT - there's nothing inherently wrong with liking a feminine woman as you're entitled to whatever personal desires you like. However, there is a problem with suggesting that more people should conform to your notion of attractiveness, or suggesting that wearing jeans or something similar makes you "unfeminine". Just as you have the right to desire whatever you want, women have the right to dress and act however they want, and not have their gender identity questioned.
I, personally, find men with huge muscles attractive, but you don't see me complaining that most guys these days are pretty skinny and don't work out, and I certainly don't question their masculinity for making that choice.

 

[SteewpidZombie]

Feminine now in days...involves being oneself...*scary*...but at the same time it just goes to show that the 'Norm' and old views are gone for the most part and that women come in all shapes, sizes, colors, and forms...kinda like guys *OMG INSANE REVELATION!*.

I know it's a frightening world out there for us men...being tormented daily by the females...them taking jobs and wearing clothes that even guys wear *DREADFULLY TERRIFYING!*. But alas there is nothing we can do...they've...evolved...grown more powerful...they...are adapting...they're becoming...dare I say *I do dare*...independent of old stereotypes *NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO*.

We may have to stop them...we...MUST! *BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE!*...we need to cage them all up...force them to like Pink *The ignored color of the spectrum*, and to wear frilly dresses and skirts that reach no higher then the knees *UNLESS they be seen as provocative!*...yes...we can't let them...BECOME OUR EQUALS AND WORTHY OF EQUAL RESPECT AND VIEWING! *Le'GASP!*.

Spoiler

For those who didn't get the sarcasm and irony of such words...*Facepalm*...jus...just crawl back into the dark void of the internet from WENCE YE CAME!

 

[Dags90]

Feminine now in days...involves being oneself...*scary*...but at the same time it just goes to show that the 'Norm' and old views are gone for the most part and that women come in all shapes, sizes, colors, and forms...kinda like guys *OMG INSANE REVELATION!*.

I know it's a frightening world out there for us men...being tormented daily by the females...them taking jobs and wearing clothes that even guys wear *DREADFULLY TERRIFYING!*. But alas there is nothing we can do...they've...evolved...grown more powerful...they...are adapting...they're becoming...dare I say *I do dare*...independent of old stereotypes *NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO*.

We may have to stop them...we...MUST! *BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE!*...we need to cage them all up...force them to like Pink *The ignored color of the spectrum*, and to wear frilly dresses and skirts that reach no higher then the knees *UNLESS they be seen as provocative!*...yes...we can't let them...BECOME OUR EQUALS AND WORTHY OF EQUAL RESPECT AND VIEWING! *Le'GASP!*.

Suddenly the Terminator movies make sense! It's an allegory for the the feminist movement.

The robots represent powerful, independent women, who have replaced men in society. And Sarah Conner represents the woman who will save society in the only way women should, by helping a man. Of course!

 

[SteewpidZombie]

DOUBLE SNIP!

SNIP!

Yes...we must stop them...by GOING BACK IN TIME!...QUICK! You grab Christopher Lloyd and I'll get Micheal J. Fox! Then all we need is to reconstruct the DeLorean DMC-12 again!

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Oh bugger off if the Back To The Future joke was predictable!

 

[RanD00M]

Hang on. I must investigate what the hell Dimmu Borgir is...

TO YOUTUBE!

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Ah k So speed metal.

What? [footnote]Please note that my post will in no way refer to femininity, feminism or women in general.[/footnote] Just, what? Dimmu Borgir are one of the most commercial Black Metal bands on this earth, how can you call that speed metal? They're not all that good, well not their latest stuff anyway, but still how can you mix Black Metal with Speed Metal. That's like saying that Marduk and Halloween sound alike. Well not really, seeing as how Marduk made one of the heaviest albums of all time, but there is still a pretty wide gap between the two genres.